Re: Jimmy Graham
 

So he has to temper his remarks based on your assertion of GUTLESS?? He didn't demand to leave the Saints, he was traded in a manner that some would consider gutless. Keep telling yourself we are a better team without Graham.... Repeat it 5 times a day as you click your heels and sip your Abita.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

I'm no fan of the Seahawks but I'd dare say they right their ship and sail deep into the playoffs. You sound as if it was Graham's fault that Loomis agreed to that contract. I would wager that Graham's former Saints team mates don't have an issue with what he posted or think it was disrespectful.

We are what our current record says we are.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

We are 0 - 3 going on 0 - 16, why obsess over a player who isn't here?

Speaking of Reggie Bush and Meachem..........

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

Yes. He has to temper his remarks - or he should. Either way the man that he is (not) he (a) didn't and (b) punked out and deleted his comments. He was traded. That was business. Seems Jimmy has some growing up yet to do, both on and off the field.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

This is dirty laundry, and im not interested.

Like my ex wife, JG gave us some good years.
I've said stupid things before.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

Me too, and I own them. ALL of them. And that's the difference between me and Jimmy I guess. I thank my Grandpa for that. I wonder who Jimmy blames?

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

I sound as if it were Graham's fault that Loomis agreed to the contract? In what way do I sound that way? I said if the Saints had no regard for him they would not have given him that contract. That wasn't clear enough? And if you want to talk about blame, why did Jimmy sign if he hated it here so much? It's because he didn't hate the Saints until, Apparently, now after he got traded.

I saw you tell someone that the trade could be viewed as gutless. How is that possible? There are a lot of gutless things I could point to, from players to coaches, but that trade isn't one of them. We went 7-9 WITH him last year. Was it his fault? No, though his amazing ability to disappear in big games didn't help. The point is that we needed more assets and trading Jimmy afforded that opportunity. That's not an easy decision to make. But you say gutless? You might want to rethink that statement.

We're not a very good team right now, but Jimmy being gone isn't why. Drew can't throw the ball more than 15 yards with any accuracy or zip, we have a crappy offensive line, a leaky defense and a dearth of talent at WR. Jimmy would be getting double covered and throwing up alligator arms in traffic.

And finally, if the Saints players don't find it disrespectful that a former player is talking crap about them, then they have no pride and can jolly well follow him out the door. Jimmy is asserting that we suck. Do we suck right now? Yeah. If you've read this board you would know that isn't exactly in question. But those guys didn't do anything to him, and he's talking garbage after he's gone. That's what's gutless.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

grahm is really saying I want to come home wan, wan wan , keep pouting jimmy, payton and brees made u and u can't survive without them, ur reverse sociology don't shine in nola. go fly ur lil 182 over those mountains.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

Careful what you ask for... using your logic we'd have a hard time filling a game day roster. Yes I said GUTLESS and what else can you call a trade that caught everyone including Brees by surprise. Drew Brees made Jimmy Graham can also be looked at as Jimmy Graham elevated Drew Brees. End of the day its a business. I take umbrage when fans talk **** about a players loyalty to management who traded him like a thief in the night. Kool aid drinkers only see it one way, when the guy that they cheered as he dunked after scoring touchdowns for us...was traded by the same mgmt. Now
he's disloyal????

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

Really? You think we'd have a hard time filling out a roster? Let me ask you something... Do you like it when people you know and call your friends talk bad about you? What makes you think players WOULDN'T have a problem with that? It's like he's telling them "I'm glad I got out of that mess, because I'm too good for that". It's one thing to think that, but it's another to publicly out your old team. Unless they legitimately did something wrong to him.

But that's the problem. Your argument is beyond weak in what you consider disrespectful or gutless. You think because it caught people by surprise, it was gutless? Were they supposed to ask for his permission? You negotiate contracts, you DO NOT negotiate trade's with players. You negotiate with the prospective team you are dealing with.

The funniest part of what you said was when you suggested Jimmy might have elevated Drew Brees. Is that why we won the superbowl without Jimmy? Don't get me wrong, Jimmy had talent, but Drew was already established well before Jimmy even started playing football.

Lastly, it's not about loyalty. It's about having class. No one is asking Jimmy to wave pom poms around and cheer for us. But what he did was classless.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

I don't mean to imply that Jimmy Graham was the cure all for us. I never said that Drew wasn't established, no argument there. However there is no argument that Graham complimented Brees (elevating his game).

Well nice of you to appoint yourself the Class Czar and dictate what is and what isn't..... But at the end of the day its just your opinion.

Are we a better team without Graham?

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

You're clearly trolling at this point. Class Czar? You came in here to tell everybody they were overreacting, and I made my point as to why I stand where I stand. Did I tell you how to react or how you should feel about it? No, I certainly did not. I don't care if you agree or disagree with Graham, but if you want to argue with others about their opinions, then be ready to defend your point. That's kind of how it works, you know?

Are we better without Graham? That's hard to answer when our QB has been broken, we traded Stills and didn't bring in any receivers, and our defense (which already wasn't good) is missing key players. Are the Seahawks better with Graham? There isn't a conclusive answer to that either, but as long as we're going to make each other answer such a question after 3 weeks, I can tell you they sure don't look better.

But what does any of that have to do with Jimmy posting a classless message?

Oh well, that's just my opinion at the end of the day, right? I guess whatever you call your words is something above that of an opinion.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

The problem with the whole JG debacle in my mind wasn't the trade but that huge contract we gave him in the first place. We let go of Sproles and a couple others that I would like to have back in order to get him. We were doomed from the start. Wayyyy to much money for a TE who is always hurt and can't block. He is soft and he openly admitted to taking blocking assignments off last year. Looking back I think that's one reason you saw Brees kind of snub him towards the end of year.

Pam Oliver straight up asked Brees if he was mad at Jimmy and he didn't make much of an effort to deny it.
**** JG. Seattle has just as much buyers remorse as we do because he is not lighting it up over there.
I will say that both Jimmy and Akeem got the best end of the deals. They went to teams that will most likely get at least one Super Bowl in the next couple years.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

Dude take some deep breaths. Don't let some noob with a pic of a crappy Camero sitting up on blocks in his driveway get to you.
Y'all both have good points.
As for JG he can say or do anything he wants. May not be the smart thing to do but it's done. You can't judge a person that you don't even know by a stupid Tweet. All we know about these players is what we read about them in the media.
He was here and now he's gone and I think it's for the best.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

Noob ? If you'll check I've been a member of this board almost a decade before you joined.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

The one thing we can count on is watching Puddin' disappear when a legit #2 cb. is put on him and getting injured every year. I like the fact we traded him and recieved a great C and the 31st pick. I think with Brees age and in decline surrounding him with a run game is smarter than going all passing attack and that requires a well rounded TE and Graham wasnt well rounded. We did fine with the trade (although Anthony wasn't my prefered choice we'll be better O in when the O-line gets it together.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

I'm capable of holding an argument without losing my mind. Message boards aren't all about agreements. As for Graham, this isn't a judgement of who he is on a daily basis, it's about what he said. It was a jerk move, period. I don't have to know him to read something he says and say that it was a crappy thing to do.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

I just think its sad.

Graham's had a hard road to where he is.
And now people are angry at him, in a city where he used to be loved.
I like him.
I'd like to continue liking him, and I dont want to hear whatever he said,
that he now would like to retract. I've certainly said things I'd like to
take back in the past. I even have had people I love say rotten things
to me, and it doesnt change my love for them.
He's a person. He regrets his words.
Besides, I wouldnt mind having him back.

Think Jesus thoughts, yall.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

6 pages, really?

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

That's what I was thinking, can't believe this thread is still going. And for the record the Camaro in the driveway doesn't look crappy to me.

Re: Jimmy Graham
 

OK, one, lol.