Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Haslett said on ESPN that they relied on Brooks too much this year. Well, I've often thought they ask him to do too much every year. Mainly because the defense can't stop anyone!

I've often wondered how many times Brooks has to pass the ball as compared to other QB's around the league. Well, here's a little comparison with some of the most prolific passing attacks in the NFL!

Aaron Brooks:
2001 - 558 passes thrown.
2002 - 528 passes thrown.
2003 - 518 passes thrown
2004 - 542 passes thrown.

Matt Hasselbeck:
2001 - 321 passes thrown
2002 - 419 passes thrown
2003 - 513 passes thrown
2004 - 474 passes thrown

Peyton Manning:
2001 - 547 passes thrown
2002 - 591 passes thrown
2003 - 566 passes thrown
2004 - 497 passes thrown

Mark Bulger:
2002 - 214 passes thrown
2003 - 532 passes thrown
2004 - 485 passes thrown

This list, while it doesn't compare every QB in the league, it does give some kind of indication of how heavily our offense has counted on Aaron Brooks and the passing game.

Is it fair to say that our team has relied on Brooks too heavily? And is it fair to say that he's asked to do too much?



[Edited on 11/2/2005 by GumboBC]

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Yes and Yes...in the same way that it\'s unfair to ask a short person to stand taller.

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Interesting -- but answer me this Gumbo -- why were ABs stats so much better in the second hald (when he was asked to do too much) versus the first half when he wasn\'t. Why were mose of his bonehead mistakes in the first half -- My contention all along is that he doesn\'t play with any passion or heart until we get way down. The obvious point is that hius ego is so big that he wants to be the guy that is asked to do too much. Another question -- Peyton obvioulsy is asked to do too much by your analysis -- want to compare his stats to ABs. Didn\'t think so -- fact is stats are just meaningless figures which can be twisted to support either side of the argument. What I really cannot understand is your blind obsession with AB. The guy has lots of potential and one has to wonder why he is so inconsistent all of the time --

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

4saintspirit -

I\'m not going to agree with most folks on this board about Brooks. And that\'s just the way it is.

I could tell you all reasons why I can\'t pin all those things on Brooks, but ... it\'s not going to change anyone\'s mind.

You\'ve got every right to feel however you want about Brooks and you may be right.

But - taking Brooks out of the picture for a moment, I think Brooks is in a bad situation. He\'s asked to do too much to overcome a terrible defense and as a result, he presses and makes mistakes.

I believe it were anyone other than Brooks, folks would look at how much Brooks is asked to do and look at what he has to overcome and cut him a little more slack!

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Here is one...Brooks % is 57

Only 4 other QBs with more than 400 attempts has a worst %.
Boller, Bledsoe, Collins, and Harington.

Does anyone have stats on dropped passes? Thats the one that kills him more than anything.

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Please read the Another AB option thread for dismissal of the dropped passes argument. ;)

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Brooks isn\'t the most accurate passer. I\'ll give them that one. But, he\'s not that bad either!

Completion percentage isn\'t all on the QB. The offensive line has to give him time to find the open receiver. And, of course, the receiver has to catch the ball.

Brooks is the only QB I could find that throws the ball over 500 times per year. That might have a little something to do with it to?

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

gumbo your arguements are serpentine and have yet to answer the one question that the brooks b gone camp is asking--

why does brooks act so nonchalant towards his mistakes? why has he been essentially the same player for the past three years? why does it take his back to the wall to get him to play with anything resembling heart?

no one has said that brooks doesnt\' have talent-that is not at all what we are questioning..it\'s his heart, intelligence, motivation, and work ethic...and what is lack of those things has done to this team..including his refusal to be accountable for his actions-that kills organizations, relationships and teams.

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Gumbo -- while it may seem, and to a certain extent it may be true, that I am not a Brooks fan it has never been his talent I have a problem with -- his ints, fumbles etc - not even that (although one must admit that he has a tendency to fumble without anyone near him). Saints fans are upset because of his attitude and ego. He whines when we boo him and says the fans aree \"dissin\" him. He calls his teamates average while he is great. My biggest complaint is that most of the time he plays without passion and urgeny until it is often too late.

But I will say this Gumbo -- the one reason why so many on forums seem to always blame Brooks is a reaction to fans such as yourself. Many of us admit when Brooks has a great game -- most of us admit he has a lot of potential --- we react to those who never find fault in AB --- its always the line -- the coaching --- the defense --- anything but Brooks.

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Wow thanks! Thats not what I expected.

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

No prob SC. I don\'t know if I ever said it but welcome aboard.

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Hey! Hey! Hey! :P

What are you guys tawkin\' bout?

I didn\'t say Brooks was a great leader.

I didn\'t say Brooks didn\'t fumble too much.

I didn\'t say ANY of that..

I very simply pointed out how much Brooks is asked to pass and compared it to some other QBs.

It\'s a very simple analysis.

Forget Brooks for a second.......

Does our \"offense\" pass the ball more than it should have to?

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

..why, of course they are asking too much of him..

..they\'re asking him to play NFL QB, for Pete\'s sake!!!!
:rollinglaugh:

barrabum \"PLISH\"...

..thank you, thank you.. I\'ll be here all week.. don\'t forget to tip your waiter...

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

That\'s funny... :P

But, I see no one really wants to talk about this subject.

Folks want to bring up EVERYTHING but what I\'m asking about.

You guys dont\' want the truth! You can\'t handle the truth! :P

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

In answer to your question probably but I don\'t know --- some teams pass the ball better -- the west coast offense if supposed to use the passing game as a running game -- but heres a questions how many times did he have to pass the year before -- I am not sure but wasn\'t that the year Deuce ran for 100+ yrds 8 straight games -- wasn\'t that the year he ran for around 1500 yards -- (could have been the year before that but the point remains the same) Whatever year Deuce had though stats did AB have a breakout year --

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Brooks has passed the ball over 500 times every year he\'s been a starter. The year you\'re asking about, Brooks threw the ball 518 times.

Yes he did. Brooks threw for over 3500 yds. 27TD and only 8 ints. That\'s better than Drew Brees did this year.

Now, he fumbled the ball too much and he deserves a lot of criticism for it. But, he had a break-out year in the \"passing\" game.


[Edited on 11/2/2005 by GumboBC]

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Is Aaron Brooks asked to do too much in the Saints offense?

Of course. NFL QBs are asked to think, and we all know that\'s too much to ask of Brooks! LOL

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

:rollinglaugh:

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Ok.. Do you really want to go there? Do you really want me to use those same stats to not only debunk your theory, but to even prove that it is AB\'s fault that the defense was as bad as it was last year? ;)


Most of us can handle the truth.. it seems that you are the one who can\'t, to be honest...


... look, the problem with your arguments is that you don\'t stick with one logic.. you go all over the place...

..take your original post, for example:
Why do you ask if the Saints are asking too much of Brooks?
Don\'t you think Brooks is a great QB?
Don\'t you want a great player to get the ball and make plays?

By you posing such a question, you are basically saying that AB is not that good, and should not be entrusted with the responsibility of participating in so many plays...

..hasn\'t it occured to you, that maybe those other QB\'s you mention don\'t throw the ball as much because they are much more accurate than Brooks, and they hit their receivers more often that Brooks does?








[Edited on 11/2/2005 by Tobias-Reiper]

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Well, since y\'all don\'t want to talk about anything....

Might as well sing the Beverly HillBilly theme song...

Ah 1 , Ah 2, Ah 1 2 3!!

Come \'n listen to my story \'bout a ma an named Jed. A poor mountaineer, barely kept his fam\'ly fed. Then one day he was shootin at some food, and up thru the ground came a bubblin\' crude.

Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.

Well the first thing you know ol\' Jed\'s a millionaire. The kin folk said \"Jed, move away from there.\" Said \"Californy is the place you oughta be\", so they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly.

Hills, that is. Swimmin\' pools, movie stars.


Well now it\'s time to say goodbye to Jed and all hi is kin, an\' they would like to thank you folks fer kindly droppin\' in. You\'re all invited back \'gain t\'this locality, to have a heapin\' helpin\' of their hospital \'ty.


Hillbilly, that is! Set a spell, Take your shoes off! Y\'all come back, y\'hear!



[Edited on 11/2/2005 by GumboBC]

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Very insightful...I have this picture of this guy sitting by his computer posting on the Saint forum while watching the Beverly Hillbillies on TV...and memorizing the words to the theme song. I would be willing to bet that you know all the words to \"The Andy Griffith Show\" theme song, also! :D

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Back at cha... ;)

You made a great post under the \"3-4 defense back in style\" thread.

What happpend? Is this the best you could come up with? :P

You could have said: \"Yeah, when Brooks is the only QB in the NFL to attempt over 500 passes the past 4 years, we probably need to examine this and find out why.\"

Of course, you can say whatever you want...LMAO!! ;)

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

Saint_LB --

Sorry for the mistake. I got your post mixed up with someone else.

I\'ve got folks coming from every angle... :o

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

NP, Gumbo...you appear to be someone that likes to have a little fun every now and again, as do I!! It\'s all good!! And, again I quote my old pal, Handy-Man...WORD!! ;)

Brooks asked to do too much?
 

So we should reference all the other AB posts that have addressed previously debated items?
wait. oh my, that would finally put an end to the countless AB circular discussions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOO-HOOOOOOOOO!
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