Brooks asked to do too much?

GumboBC · 02-11-2005, 01:35 PM

Haslett said on ESPN that they relied on Brooks too much this year. Well, I've often thought they ask him to do too much every year. Mainly because the defense can't stop anyone!

I've often wondered how many times Brooks has to pass the ball as compared to other QB's around the league. Well, here's a little comparison with some of the most prolific passing attacks in the NFL!

Aaron Brooks:
2001 - 558 passes thrown.
2002 - 528 passes thrown.
2003 - 518 passes thrown
2004 - 542 passes thrown.

Matt Hasselbeck:
2001 - 321 passes thrown
2002 - 419 passes thrown
2003 - 513 passes thrown
2004 - 474 passes thrown

Peyton Manning:
2001 - 547 passes thrown
2002 - 591 passes thrown
2003 - 566 passes thrown
2004 - 497 passes thrown

Mark Bulger:
2002 - 214 passes thrown
2003 - 532 passes thrown
2004 - 485 passes thrown

This list, while it doesn't compare every QB in the league, it does give some kind of indication of how heavily our offense has counted on Aaron Brooks and the passing game.

Is it fair to say that our team has relied on Brooks too heavily? And is it fair to say that he's asked to do too much?

[Edited on 11/2/2005 by GumboBC]

ScottyRo · 02-11-2005, 01:42 PM

Yes and Yes...in the same way that it\'s unfair to ask a short person to stand taller.

4saintspirit · 02-11-2005, 01:52 PM

Interesting -- but answer me this Gumbo -- why were ABs stats so much better in the second hald (when he was asked to do too much) versus the first half when he wasn\'t. Why were mose of his bonehead mistakes in the first half -- My contention all along is that he doesn\'t play with any passion or heart until we get way down. The obvious point is that hius ego is so big that he wants to be the guy that is asked to do too much. Another question -- Peyton obvioulsy is asked to do too much by your analysis -- want to compare his stats to ABs. Didn\'t think so -- fact is stats are just meaningless figures which can be twisted to support either side of the argument. What I really cannot understand is your blind obsession with AB. The guy has lots of potential and one has to wonder why he is so inconsistent all of the time --

GumboBC · 02-11-2005, 01:57 PM

4saintspirit -

I\'m not going to agree with most folks on this board about Brooks. And that\'s just the way it is.

I could tell you all reasons why I can\'t pin all those things on Brooks, but ... it\'s not going to change anyone\'s mind.

You\'ve got every right to feel however you want about Brooks and you may be right.

But - taking Brooks out of the picture for a moment, I think Brooks is in a bad situation. He\'s asked to do too much to overcome a terrible defense and as a result, he presses and makes mistakes.

I believe it were anyone other than Brooks, folks would look at how much Brooks is asked to do and look at what he has to overcome and cut him a little more slack!

SCSaint · 02-11-2005, 02:08 PM

Here is one...Brooks % is 57

Only 4 other QBs with more than 400 attempts has a worst %.
Boller, Bledsoe, Collins, and Harington.

Does anyone have stats on dropped passes? Thats the one that kills him more than anything.

saintswhodi · 02-11-2005, 02:12 PM

Please read the Another AB option thread for dismissal of the dropped passes argument.

GumboBC · 02-11-2005, 02:12 PM

Here is one...Brooks % is 57

Only 4 other QBs with more than 400 attempts has a worst %.
Boller, Bledsoe, Collins, and Harington.

Does anyone have stats on dropped passes? Thats the one that kills him more than anything.

Brooks isn\'t the most accurate passer. I\'ll give them that one. But, he\'s not that bad either!

Completion percentage isn\'t all on the QB. The offensive line has to give him time to find the open receiver. And, of course, the receiver has to catch the ball.

Brooks is the only QB I could find that throws the ball over 500 times per year. That might have a little something to do with it to?

baronm · 02-11-2005, 02:17 PM

gumbo your arguements are serpentine and have yet to answer the one question that the brooks b gone camp is asking--

why does brooks act so nonchalant towards his mistakes? why has he been essentially the same player for the past three years? why does it take his back to the wall to get him to play with anything resembling heart?

no one has said that brooks doesnt\' have talent-that is not at all what we are questioning..it\'s his heart, intelligence, motivation, and work ethic...and what is lack of those things has done to this team..including his refusal to be accountable for his actions-that kills organizations, relationships and teams.

4saintspirit · 02-11-2005, 02:34 PM

But taking Brooks out of the picture for a moment, I think Brooks is in a bad situation. He\'s asked to do too much to overcome a terrible defense and as a result, he presses and makes mistakes.

I believe it were anyone other than Brooks, folks would look at how much Brooks is asked to do and look at what he has to overcome and cut him a little more slack!

Gumbo -- while it may seem, and to a certain extent it may be true, that I am not a Brooks fan it has never been his talent I have a problem with -- his ints, fumbles etc - not even that (although one must admit that he has a tendency to fumble without anyone near him). Saints fans are upset because of his attitude and ego. He whines when we boo him and says the fans aree \"dissin\" him. He calls his teamates average while he is great. My biggest complaint is that most of the time he plays without passion and urgeny until it is often too late.

But I will say this Gumbo -- the one reason why so many on forums seem to always blame Brooks is a reaction to fans such as yourself. Many of us admit when Brooks has a great game -- most of us admit he has a lot of potential --- we react to those who never find fault in AB --- its always the line -- the coaching --- the defense --- anything but Brooks.

SCSaint · 02-11-2005, 02:42 PM

Please read the Another AB option thread for dismissal of the dropped passes argument.

Wow thanks! Thats not what I expected.

02-11-2005, 01:35 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks asked to do too much? Haslett said on ESPN that they relied on Brooks too much this year. Well, I've often thought they ask him to do too much every year. Mainly because the defense can't stop anyone! I've often wondered how many times Brooks has to pass the ball as compared to other QB's around the league. Well, here's a little comparison with some of the most prolific passing attacks in the NFL! Aaron Brooks: 2001 - 558 passes thrown. 2002 - 528 passes thrown. 2003 - 518 passes thrown 2004 - 542 passes thrown. Matt Hasselbeck: 2001 - 321 passes thrown 2002 - 419 passes thrown 2003 - 513 passes thrown 2004 - 474 passes thrown Peyton Manning: 2001 - 547 passes thrown 2002 - 591 passes thrown 2003 - 566 passes thrown 2004 - 497 passes thrown Mark Bulger: 2002 - 214 passes thrown 2003 - 532 passes thrown 2004 - 485 passes thrown This list, while it doesn't compare every QB in the league, it does give some kind of indication of how heavily our offense has counted on Aaron Brooks and the passing game. Is it fair to say that our team has relied on Brooks too heavily? And is it fair to say that he's asked to do too much? [Edited on 11/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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02-11-2005, 01:42 PM	#2
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	Brooks asked to do too much? Yes and Yes...in the same way that it\'s unfair to ask a short person to stand taller.

02-11-2005, 01:52 PM	#3
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Brooks asked to do too much? Interesting -- but answer me this Gumbo -- why were ABs stats so much better in the second hald (when he was asked to do too much) versus the first half when he wasn\'t. Why were mose of his bonehead mistakes in the first half -- My contention all along is that he doesn\'t play with any passion or heart until we get way down. The obvious point is that hius ego is so big that he wants to be the guy that is asked to do too much. Another question -- Peyton obvioulsy is asked to do too much by your analysis -- want to compare his stats to ABs. Didn\'t think so -- fact is stats are just meaningless figures which can be twisted to support either side of the argument. What I really cannot understand is your blind obsession with AB. The guy has lots of potential and one has to wonder why he is so inconsistent all of the time --
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02-11-2005, 01:57 PM	#4
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Brooks asked to do too much? 4saintspirit - I\'m not going to agree with most folks on this board about Brooks. And that\'s just the way it is. I could tell you all reasons why I can\'t pin all those things on Brooks, but ... it\'s not going to change anyone\'s mind. You\'ve got every right to feel however you want about Brooks and you may be right. But - taking Brooks out of the picture for a moment, I think Brooks is in a bad situation. He\'s asked to do too much to overcome a terrible defense and as a result, he presses and makes mistakes. I believe it were anyone other than Brooks, folks would look at how much Brooks is asked to do and look at what he has to overcome and cut him a little more slack!
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02-11-2005, 02:08 PM	#5
SCSaint Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 30	Brooks asked to do too much? Here is one...Brooks % is 57 Only 4 other QBs with more than 400 attempts has a worst %. Boller, Bledsoe, Collins, and Harington. Does anyone have stats on dropped passes? Thats the one that kills him more than anything.
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baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Brooks asked to do too much? gumbo your arguements are serpentine and have yet to answer the one question that the brooks b gone camp is asking-- why does brooks act so nonchalant towards his mistakes? why has he been essentially the same player for the past three years? why does it take his back to the wall to get him to play with anything resembling heart? no one has said that brooks doesnt\' have talent-that is not at all what we are questioning..it\'s his heart, intelligence, motivation, and work ethic...and what is lack of those things has done to this team..including his refusal to be accountable for his actions-that kills organizations, relationships and teams.
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02-11-2005, 02:34 PM	#9
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Brooks asked to do too much? But taking Brooks out of the picture for a moment, I think Brooks is in a bad situation. He\'s asked to do too much to overcome a terrible defense and as a result, he presses and makes mistakes. I believe it were anyone other than Brooks, folks would look at how much Brooks is asked to do and look at what he has to overcome and cut him a little more slack! Gumbo -- while it may seem, and to a certain extent it may be true, that I am not a Brooks fan it has never been his talent I have a problem with -- his ints, fumbles etc - not even that (although one must admit that he has a tendency to fumble without anyone near him). Saints fans are upset because of his attitude and ego. He whines when we boo him and says the fans aree \"dissin\" him. He calls his teamates average while he is great. My biggest complaint is that most of the time he plays without passion and urgeny until it is often too late. But I will say this Gumbo -- the one reason why so many on forums seem to always blame Brooks is a reaction to fans such as yourself. Many of us admit when Brooks has a great game -- most of us admit he has a lot of potential --- we react to those who never find fault in AB --- its always the line -- the coaching --- the defense --- anything but Brooks.
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02-11-2005, 02:42 PM	#10
SCSaint Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 30	Brooks asked to do too much? Please read the Another AB option thread for dismissal of the dropped passes argument. Wow thanks! Thats not what I expected.
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