wonderlic
 

Overall i do not think it is a true indicator of success, it is a tool to measure players...much like the 40 etc. Anyway while bored i found the pasts test of some QB's. I think you will be shocked


Culpepper-18
Brooks-17
McNabb-15
Dan Marino-14

I will try to post the link as some of you and with good reason will think this is :icon_bs:

Give me someone who can play football!

[Edited on 11/2/2005 by FireVenturi]

wonderlic
 

www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic/Wonderlic.htm


have fun

[Edited on 12/2/2005 by JOESAM2002]

wonderlic
 

When you post the link, highlight it and click the button that has a picture of a globe.

wonderlic
 

http://www.macmirabile.com/Wonderlic/Wonderlic.htm


Couldn\'t get the other one to work, so here it is again, just in case others are having the same problem.

Some others you might find interesting...

Steve Young........33
Troy Aikman........29
Rich Gannon.......27
Brett Favre...........22
Eli Manning..........39
B.Rothlisberger....25
J. Blake................17
J.T. O\'Sullivan......35
Michael Vick.........20
Billy Joe Tolliver...24

and last, but certainly not least....well, maybe least,

Jeff George..........10 :fanclub: :xxrotflmao: :thumbsup: :shrug: :rollinglaugh: :smile_bounce:

[Edited on 12/2/2005 by Saint_LB]

wonderlic
 

I sure miss Jeff George....you just never knew where the ball was going!!

wonderlic
 

So Marino a 14 and Young a 33. Yea, sounds accurate to me. I think this test is garbage. Mcnabb a 15 and Tolliver a 24. :xxrotflmao: Mcnair a 15.

[Edited on 12/2/2005 by FireVenturi]

wonderlic
 

It\'s not garbage - it doesn\'t test football accumen or talent, it tests essentially Intelligence Quotient. You don\'t think Steve Young is twice as smart as Marino??? You ever see the two guys talk?

wonderlic
 

Wrong again, WhoDat. We had this same discussion in the past.

Remember?

I posted an article written by Charlie Wonderlic himself.

Charlie said that the wonderlic DOES NOT measure intelligence.

It measures how well a person can accomplish a certain task in a set amount of time.

And these wonderlic tests are adjusted to measure different things acording to what they need to test for.

[Edited on 12/2/2005 by GumboBC]

wonderlic
 

The bottomline of this test, for me, is that it doesn\'t seem to measure anything useful for our discussion because of the disparity of the scores. You\'ve got great QBs with high and low scores and mediocre QBs with high and low scores.

What does this tell us?

Nothing. :casstet:

wonderlic
 

Exactly its garbage!!!!

wonderlic
 

i don\'t think it\'s garbage, but i also don\'t think that scouts, coaches, etc. should get all worked up about a player who makes a 7800 on the wonderlic.... i also feel this way about the 40, bench press, leg press, etc (any of those combine events)... the numbers can be misleading and always leave out the amount of heart a player has...

wonderlic
 

i\'ve read it is becoming less n less of a factor cuz of players being tutored for it

wonderlic
 

The only thing the Wonderlic can be used for is to maybe expose someone\'s lazyness. If you invest a few hours into preparing for the test, there\'s no way you should score in the teens (unless you are dumb as a brick).
So a 14 or 15 would definitely be a red flag, while it doesn\'t matter if someone scores 22 or 35.
(And I feel like I posted the exact same thing one year ago)

wonderlic
 

Author: Wonderlic, Charles

Purpose: Designed to be used by businesses and schools to measure general cognitive ability in order to determine \"how easily individuals can be trained, how well they can adjust and solve problems on the job, and how well satisfied they are likely to be with the demands of the job.\"

http://buros.unl.edu/buros/jsp/revie...?item=06002730

Hhhmm... So I guess you\'re right. I guess AB\'s low score would explain why he \"cannot be trained\" (he has not progressed as expected), can\'t read defenses (\"solve problems on the job\"), and why he keep s calling himself great (\"how well satisfied they are likely to be with the demands of the job\"). LOL

wonderlic
 

Cognition -
1. The mental process of knowing, including aspects such as awareness, perception, reasoning, and judgment.

2. That which comes to be known, as through perception, reasoning, or intuition; knowledge.

So it doesn\'t test \"intelligence,\" it tests the \"mental process[es]\" of reasoning and judgment. Hhmm... seems right on to me.

If your argument is that a QB doesn\'t have to be a genius to be good, then you have SOME imperical evidence by citing QBs like Marino. If your argument is that the Wonderlic is worthless, you must have an \"ag--a.\" I think saying AB has a less than average \"mental process of reasoning\" and is not \"easily trained\" is exactly right.

wonderlic
 

\"Author: Wonderlic, Charles

Purpose: Designed to be used by businesses and schools to measure general cognitive ability in order to determine \"how easily individuals can be trained, how well they can adjust and solve problems on the job, and how well satisfied they are likely to be with the demands of the job.\" \"


Would this point to an origin of the Eagles inability to \"hurry-up\"
his offense in our most recent super bowl?
Does this also point to a possibility of Marino\'s inability to win the big one?
Of course There is an A in Marino and an A and a B in Mcnabb, do with that what you will, moonshine, sunshine or otherwise.

Regardless of anything else, ive got to agree with Whodat\'s analysis of AB.

Im for a change with AB strictly because I am young and will live to see the saints possible recovery if we end up on the worse end of the deal. I would rather change now and take my chances than stick with what we have. Im not scared of change with the risk of failure. I\'m sure we could always call Mr. Leaf for Co-starring role.


also,
O\'Sullivan, J.T.
2002
Calif.-Davis
35

Whats done is done, im just saying....

[Edited on 13/2/2005 by jbutts]

wonderlic
 

Well, WhoDat, since your going to label me as having an ag--a, I might as well say it again and let you tell me what my ag--a is. ;)

This test means nothing. Just because you can show that AB is failing areas in which the test\'s originator claims that it measures doesn\'t account for those that failed as well but are able to perform their tasks at QB and excel in the areas this very test describes them as being poor.

It\'s not just Marino. It\'s McNabb and Culpepper, too (just in this post). I believe those are two QBs you\'d like to have on your team, right?

Thus, the test fails as a measuring tool for the NFL in the specific areas you posted because it seems to miss as often as it is correct.