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Q. How does your coach Jim Haslett go from being on the hot seat midway through the season to keeping his job?

A. We won four games in a row. It was too late in the season, but we ended on a good note. I'm glad they gave Has a two-year extension. It's not the head coach. The head coach can't run routes, run the football. It's his personnel. You gather the guys together to believe in your system, you'll win football games and that's what the Saints did the last five games of the season. Unfortunately, it was too late.

Q. What went through your mind after you defeated Carolina in the season finale, but missed the playoffs when the Rams beat the Jets?

A. I didn't watch it, I was sick. But we dug that hole, that's why when the game was over in Carolina, I went and took a shower. I didn't watch the TV. If we got to the playoffs great, but we dug that hole so hopefully the guys can remember that in mini-camp, the offseason program and training camp. We win our games, we get in and we don't have to worry about someone missing a field goal.

Q. So what are the Saints' biggest weaknesses?

A. Right now, I can't say that we have too many because the last four games we dominated everybody we played. They have to test the free-agent market and the draft to see what they can fill in.

Q. If it was your decision, where would the Saints call home? New Orleans, Los Angeles or somewhere else?
A. Wherever fans in a city accept us. If the New Orleans fans keep begging and crying about the tickets, crying about us winning, they don't want to support us and keep us there, then let's move on to a city that will. I would love to win a Super Bowl in New Orleans, but if they don't want to do what it takes to keep us there, then let's ride out.

Q. Best touchdown celebration you saw this year?
A. [Pittsburgh's Antwaan] Randle El. He caught a touchdown and started shouting like he was in church.


Q. What impresses you most about this current run by the Patriots?
A. Team camaraderie. Bill Belichick keeping that team together. Keep them believing in his system. In the NFL, you're going to have great athletes. Bill Belichick has a knack for bringing an athlete in and making him a star. Making him jell with the system he has. And he has the [assistant] coaches to back that up.


Q. What Super Bowl performance impressed you more? Terrell Owens' comeback from surgery or Deion Branch picking apart Philly's defense?
A. T.O. That shocked me the most because he shook the world up. No one thought after his surgery that he would come out and perform like that. I told him today, in his face, 'I don't like to pull on other receivers' jock strap, but as a man, you shook up the world.' He has much respect from me.


Q. So what's the best part about making the Pro Bowl?
A. For me, letting other people in my life have the chance to enjoy themselves. I thank God for blessing me with the money and the fame, but I love ... when I can fly other family members in. My mom, my cousins, my friends, who would never probably get the chance to enjoy a beautiful island like this, that's what I love about it.



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[Edited on 12/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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Is Joe Horn talking about YOU? LMAO!!

Let the Horn bashing begin!!

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For the record:

To recap:

1. Joe calls himself the best receiver in the NFL.
2. Says Haslett is not to blame for the losses and blames the rest of his team (personnel)
3. Bashes the fans for begging and whinning.

I\'ve got this in my file.

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Joe Horn has a point there Gumbo. I agree with him unfortunately. The best way to run a team out of town is to not be there when the going gets tough. Saints tickets are still among the lowest prices in the league if I remember right. As far as I\'m concerned, after what he\'s done for our team, he can say any damn thing he wants...and he was the best receiver this year individually if you ask me.

And don\'t anybody give me the classic lines...\"I\'ve supported the Saints being bad for so long, why should I keep doing it if they accept mediocrity!\" or any bull like that. Well...actually...that\'s inevitable when trying to suuport the Saints while they\'re crappy on this site (the reason I barely ever post). When I move to New Orleans if the Saints are still there I will go to every game I can regardless of their record and cheer them on regardless of their record or the score...just like I have in PA and Shreveport the last 15 years. Yes I am \"only 26.5\"...so don\'t even bother saying that I don\'t know the pain of being a Saints fan for 38 years...I can\'t help when I was born but always cheered the Saints. This is another classic EXCUSE line from people who disagree with my unending support on this site and others.

Peace out y\'all....by the way I was at the Bacchus parade and DAMN is Elijah Wood tiny!

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alsaints113--

I\'m with you all the way!!

I\'ve said the samething Joe Horn is saying.

In fact, I\'ve said exactly the samething he\'s saying.

Maybe they\'ll listen to Joe.

I suspect some fans will have him added to their \"cut\" list though.

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I like Joe Horn, but his criticism of fans is one thing that sometimes irks me. He says that fans are crying about the team winning, what do you expect. Name a fan who doesn\'t want to see his beloved team win! If you love your team you want to see them win. As far as support, I think there were two home games this year that didn\'t sell out. That makes two in the past few years. This is in one of the \"smaller markets\" in the NFL. Have you ever looked at the crowd at an Arizona Cardinals game? They almost never have more than half the stadium filled.

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Unfortunately, sometimes those sold out crowds show up to boo the Saints (see Aaron Brooks...) because of a few dumb mistakes. I would rather be a Saints fan and have dumb mistakes cost us the playoffs then have them cost us the NFC championships or Super Bowl. I\'d also rather not have the fans show up a la Arizona when they don\'t support the team then show up to make it even harder on the home team. That makes absolutely NO sense at all. Pure stupidity.

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the fact that joe has performed the way he has year in year out i can take his criticism. i dont agree with him though. the fans pay his salary and if we wish to complaine because as a team we arent getting what we desrve then oh well. complaine about us joe. its really basic when we are the fans and you are there because of fans then the fans have a right to complaine. im pretty sure that if they had played the entire the season the way they played the last 4 games there wouldnt have been as many complaints. but they didnt give us that. they gave us crap the first 12 weeks. if joe doesnt like us complaing oh well. i could care less. joe only has a job because there are fans. without fans he doesnt have a job. i love joe but if he doesnt like it i say he gets the big old OH WELL

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So what? How are you going to use it Billy-Boy? If you say that Joe Horn is a problem, then so is your boy Brooks.

If Horn is right then you\'re in favor of fans supporting this team just b/c the team and its players say so? Just as I would bash a President whose policies I disagree with, I would likewise support my country. But when a President sends our boys to a war I don\'t support, I\'m going to attack the decision and support the boys.

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PS - if your argument is that we bash Brooks when he makes egotistical comments, but not Horn, my response is simple. Horn is considered a vocal and emotional leader by coaches and teammates. Brooks is not. Further, Horn proves it on the field. He can say whatever he wants so long as he keeps going to the Pro Bowl 4 out of every 5 years and putting up top 5 WR numbers over a 5 year period. When Brooks goes to a single Pro Bowl, get back to me on whether or not he can call himself great.

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good post whodat. gumbo has his interest. so he post what he can to support that.

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Isn\'t that what everybody on this forum does?

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Unfortunately, personality wise, Horn is right there with TO and Moss. IMHO, Moss is a better receiver...a touch faster, maybe a tad taller, pretty close in the hands department. TO and Horn, I\'m not sure who is the more talented, it\'s close, very close. but TO would probably get the edge because of the age factor.

I don\'t think Horn should get any more slack than AB gets when it comes to the ego thing....but he does leave it all on the field. You gotta love that part.

I think that in the long run he will probably regret the statement about the fans.

And finally, I find his comment about comraderie interesting. Is he trying to tell us something? If he feels that it is so important, then how does he feel about his starting QB saying that he is great, and the rest of the team average? Just wondering out loud.

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Here we go again....say what you want, I, as a fan, have the RIGHT to find faults with this team if the performance level is not up to par. Why, you ask. Well, let me just tell you why! I would say that the normal die-hard fan has more money invested in this team than any player that has ever played for the Saints. What happens if the team sucks, does Brooks lose any money? Does Horn? Does Deuce? No, they still draw a paycheck that is paid by fans, like myself, who over the course of 30 years have bought t-shirts, tickets, hats, license plates, glasses, cups, posters, blankets, jewelry, watches, books, jerseys and trading cards of just about every popular player the Saints have had at the time. I don\'t have the time but I can positively say that\'s probably more than any PLAYER has ever spent on the team. And yes, I am an emotinal wreck when we miss the playoffs year after year. Because when all is said and done I\'m back again next year for more of whatever the Saints have to offer. How many players have been with the Saints for 30 years, that\'s right-0. They move on to the next team of choice that is going to pay them a huge amount of money while I\'m still here spending money to watch this fiasco year after year. So, do I have the RIGHT to be disgruntled? Hell yes I have a right and don\'t try to tell me different. I like Horn as a player but by God don\'t you dare tell me you don\'t like the way fans support this team. When Horn has a bad game, his ego takes a shot, but the fans have a lifetime investment of pain and suffering and ridicule from other fans they have to live with year after miserable year, but unlike Horn and a multitude of other players, we will always be Saint\'s fans, will they always be Saint\'s players?

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WhoDat --

You always applaud Decue because he carries himself like a professional football player. You say he never criticizes the fans or calls himself great.

And you tell me that Brooks has proven himself to be an idiot when he criticizes the fans. And that shows how selfish he is.

But, when Joe Horn goes way above what Brooks has EVER said, (say\'s the fans need to stop whinning and complaining or the team needs to move where the fans support them) you\'re fine with that.

Seeing how you\'re one of the harshest critics of this team, I\'d think you\'d be as mad as hell.

But, strangely enough, I agree with you. I\'m not really worried about what any player on this team says. I understand they are just as frustrated as we are. I know they\'re trying to win and just haven\'t gotten it done.

I don\'t need them to be ranked in the top 5 at certain positions to understand how they feel.

I\'m not really worried about \"stats\".

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Did he actually say those things?
Unbelievable. Just when I was starting to like Joe again.
What a POS thing to say. It trumps every insulting inciteful comment by Brooks, Haz, Benson, etc.
I\'m extremely disappointed in Joe now. He just slapped us in the face. How many of you are gonna bend over and grab your ankles for Joe?

OK, I\'ll say it.

He is an idiot.

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I\'ve never claimed that Joe Horn is a good guy. Never. I\'ve claimed that he is a great football player - certainly the best we\'ve ever had at his position.

I think it\'s great that Deuce does so much humanitarian work, and it\'s what I would do in his position. However, I don\'t watch the games and support the team b/c they\'re nice guys. There are about 2 nice guys left on every NFL team in the league.

I support football players and a football team. As such, I will back the players who I feel make the most (positive) impact on the team in terms of success. Unlike Moss, who comes with a price tag of one horrid meltdown for every TD he scores, Joe Horn is an uplifting element on the team. He\'s a leader with a lot of heart who shows up every week.

You\'ll notice that Horn\'s comments, aside from the one about the fans, were all true - or at least, a no BS version of what he felt contributed to the season. The fans comment was stupid, but notice that he never blamed his teammates. In fact, if anything he called on them to remember the season in their off-season conditioning, mini-camps, preseason, etc. He\'s calling on them to play with a chip on their shoulders and get better. Yeah, what a cancer for this team.

Now, Billy will use this sometime in the future, I\'m sure. And he probably doesn\'t see the difference now and won\'t remember it then, but I\'ll lay it out clear as day so everyone else knows.

How is it OK for Horn to call himself great and insult the fans, but not OK for AB to do so? In my opinion, from what I have witnessed in following this team closely over the last 5 years, the answer is simple: ATTITUDE. Sure, Joe Horn ain\'t a Saint (ha ha), but he plays with heart, desire, and a true do what it takes to win attitude. He may say I\'m the best, but then he steps on the field and does whatever it takes to prove that comment to be not that far from the truth.

Brooks, on the other hand, seems to believe that he truly is great, and therefore things should just come to him easily. Defenses should lay down at the feet of the great and powerful Brooks. He doesn\'t backup those comments. He doesn\'t defy the odds (like an aging WR who just keeps going to the Pro Bowl). He doesn\'t lead the team, support his teammates (in fact, he throws them under the bus). Brooks is selfish, in that it doesn\'t matter b/c he\'s getting paid. Horn is self-centered, in that he wants to win. IMO, it doesn\'t matter if the guy wants to win for me or win for himself - just so long as he is willing to do what it takes to get better every day and turn that into success on the field.

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Danno, I knew it was coming. ;)

But this is what I find MOST disturbing about anyone\'s post:


alsinits, WTF? Basically what you are saying is you\'d rather not make the playoffs or the NFC Champ game or the Superbowl cause dumb mistakes may cost us? Huh? What the hell are we playing for then? The regular season? This is by far the most confusing statement I have read on here. If a dumb mistake costs us the SUPERBOWL, at least we were in the SUPERBOWL. Holy crap. I don\'t think there are any words to describe my level of disappointemnt with this statement. So because of your blind support of Brooks, you will excuse all his mistakes that possibly cost us the PLAYOFFS because they weren\'t in the NFC Champ game or the SUPERBOWL? THAT is UNREAL.

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WhoDat --

It doesn\'t surprise me that you\'re taking up for Joe Horn. It just further strengthens my believe that you hold a grudge against Brooks.

I\'ve never heard you say ONE time that if Brooks would back it up on the field that you\'d be okay with him calling himself great. NEVER!!

And I\'ve never heard you say ONE time that you\'d okay with Brooks criticizing the fans if he would back it up on the field.

It wasn\'t unitl one of your favortie players (Joe Horn!) came out and said something worse than Brooks that you\'ve changed your stance.

What\'s that you call me? Flippidy Flop? Back at cha... ;)

At least we\'ve got some folks on this board who criticize Brooks and do the samething with Horn. I applaud you guys. At least y\'all stand for something and you stick with it!!

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To saintswhodi:

\"So because of your blind support of Brooks, you will excuse all his mistakes that possibly cost us the PLAYOFFS because they weren\'t in the NFC Champ game or the SUPERBOWL\"

Hey Miss Cleao, tell me where I ever said that I supported Aaron Brooks in this thread. I\'m just curious since all I did was mention how so many fans boo him at home games. This is almost as classless as the Philly fans booing of Michael Irvin when he went down there...oh wait the Saints fans did that with Wade Wilson too (and no I am not comparing the two, so go back to watching Bil O\'Reilly SPINSTERS)

\"Basically what you are saying is you\'d rather not make the playoffs or the NFC Champ game or the Superbowl cause dumb mistakes may cost us\"

Well Mr. O\'Reilly I did not say that at all. Hooked on Phonics can work for you too. The point I was making (an opinion so go read your Bill of Rights) was that it is much less disappointing (though still is of course) in MY EYES to not even make the playoffs then get there and lose every year and then get to the SuperBowl and have my QB play....well...like Aaron Brooks. I have been an Atlanta Braves fan for a long time and I know what I\'m talking about....I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year...I think they suck. I used to have interest in them the first 6 times they blew it but after 6 more...I could give a toot about them. I would probably feel the same way if I were an Eagles or Colts fan.

To GumboBC:

\"And you tell me that Brooks has proven himself to be an idiot when he criticizes the fans. And that shows how selfish he is.

But, when Joe Horn goes way above what Brooks has EVER said, (say\'s the fans need to stop whinning and complaining or the team needs to move where the fans support them) you\'re fine with that.\"

I agree 100% with WhoDats opinion....the difference between these two cases is that what Joe Horn said is TRUE (EVERYTHING) so it is easy to agree with him and not Brooks who is a total douschebag.

Bring the haters!!

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They didn\'t ask him anything about Qb, lets not sttart putting words in his mouth

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alsaints113 --

First let me say, I\'m glad you express yourself the way you see fit. I love it.......... ;)

But, the Joe Horn comments, when compared to Brooks, are no different. In fact, what Horn said was worse!

Consider this:

1. Brooks said he was a great QB playing on a sub-par team.

You don\'t think Brooks is great, that\'s fine. But is he lying about playing on a sub-par team? I don\'t think so. So, all you got to criticize Brooks for is him calling himself a great QB.

2. Brooks said that fans don\'t support him. Or some only support him when the team is winning? What\'s not true about that? You may not like him ( I don\'t know) but that is as true a statement as you\'re going to find.

3. Joe Horn called out the fans directly and said if the fans don\'t start supporting the team and quit all the whinning and *****ing then the team needs to MOVE where there\'s more support!! What the hell is Joe talking about?!

4. No one is complaing about Joe Horn. Aaron Brooks receives the MOST criticism of ANY member of the Saints. Seems Brooks is handling it better than Horn, who fans are in love with.

5. If Aaron Brooks would have said what Joe said, this thread would be \"burning\" up with criticism.

6. Just becasue Joe has been to the probowl doesn\'t make him right!!

7. It doesn\'t bother me what any member of the team says. Whether they are playing well or not. Talk is cheap. I don\'t hang on every word anyone says.




[Edited on 12/2/2005 by GumboBC]

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Oh, one more thing....

When Joe was asked why the team wasn\'t wining. Here\'s what Joe Horn had to say:

Joe Horn is directly calling out the rest of the team!! He\'s saying, it\'s not the coaches fault the rest of the team isn\'t perfoming the way they should.

Then Joe goes on to call himself the best receiver in the NFL. (Which he ain\'t. Not by a long shot!)

So, basically what Joe is saying is he\'s a great receiver playing on on bad team with a good coach!

Tell me where I\'m confused?

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Haven\'t the Atlanta Braves won twelve division championships in a row? And now you hate them because of this? How can you possibly be a Saints fan?

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Do I think Brooks is a great QB? No, I think he has talent and could be if he had a heart.

Do I think this is a subpar team? No. It is noted time and again how much talent we have on the offensive side of the ball. Our def. is in need of some new players, but overall I wouldn\'t say that our team is below average.

I think that is one of the things that makes this statement by Brooks so bad. He is looking like a narcissistic jackass. (You know what? I feel like a total idiot. I\'ve been trying to figure out why everyone\'s been calling him Leon and it just hit me. That\'s pretty funny.)

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turbo, nice call in this alsaints character. I\'m a Braves fan too, and I love them every year.

alsaints, the fact you have to call names and crack jokes because of the dumb statement you made shows what level you are on, and it isn\'t mine. I really have no response to someone who would rather not makes the playoffs cause they are afraid of mistakes being made there. Why do you watch any sport? You don\'t support the Braves any more cause they don\'t win the world series every year? Division titles aren\'t enough so you jump off the banwagon? Hello Mr. Fairweather, why do you bother with the Saints then? hahahaha Dude, try again. You make outlandish statements and then when someone calls you on it, they are Ms. Cleo, which you spelled wrong, and you have to crack wise. Classic. Anyway, stay around, anyone who is afraid to make the playoffs and the SUPERBOWL for fear of mistakes being made is worth laughing at more than once.

[Edited on 12/2/2005 by saintswhodi]

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First off to GumboBC, I completely agree with everything you said before and after my post. I was just comparing the two statements and not talking about the whole picture. I agree that if Brooks said what Horn said people would be more outraged than they are. And if you look at just stats, Brooks\' stats are just as good as Horn\'s but his dumb mistakes have dug him a huge hole with fans. Again, I do agree with every single thing I have ever seen you post on this website...I\'m sure that will buy me lots of fans...like the several I\'ve just made in this one thread due to people putting their spin on my statements and misinterpreting me.

To saintswhodi:

Sorry I dont bother to run spell checker when I post on this or any other forum. I\'m not exactly typing a resume. It\'s a shame that these are the things you need to point out in order to throw water on the fire of my statements. As far as my Braves statement, once again you obviously are a fan of FOXNews because you twisted what I said into something completely different.

Example:

I said: I have been an Atlanta Braves fan for a long time and I know what I\'m talking about....I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year...I think they suck. I used to have interest in them the first 6 times they blew it but after 6 more...I could give a toot about them

You said: You don\'t support the Braves any more cause they don\'t win the world series every year? Division titles aren\'t enough so you jump off the banwagon? Hello Mr. Fairweather, why do you bother with the Saints then?

COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY wrong interpretation of my rather straightforward statement. All I meant was to clarify my previous statement which you misinterpreted (seems to be a pattern) by showing an example of how in another sport I in fact am a fan of a team that consistently chokes in the playoffs. I am not satisfied with one World Series in 13 STRAIGHT tries. That is just as pitiful as a handful of playoff appearances in 38 years. The difference is that is is MUCH MORE HEARTBREAKING to have 13 chances and blow 12 than it is to barely have any at all.

The difference in my lack of interest with the Braves as opposed to the Saints is this (and this is for turbo_dog too who was much more civil in his reply):

1.) I love football and like baseball...LOVE football.
2.) I absolutely LOVE the city and people of New Orleans and don\'t really have a reason to do the same for Atlanta...I don\'t have a wealth of family history (actually I have none) in Atlanta as I do in New Orleans. In fact once I finish my Ph.D. I will be moving there.

One last statement, I didn\'t make the more rude comments because I was \"being called on\" my \"outlandish statements\". If you notice, I\'ve consistently replied in this thread (and others) according to the type of response I get. If someone is going to reply in what I consider a very rude and ignorant matter (see your first reply to one of my posts here) than I return the favor. The opposite is true if you notice the way in which I have replied to GumboBC and I guarantee that this is not because I agree with him. If he replied to me in the sophomoric way in which you have, I would return the favor. If you notice all my rude replies have followed yours and been directed to you. My posts prior to your remarks were in no way rude, ignorant, or made to single anyone out. I\'m sorry if you disagree with my OPINIONS so much you need to call me outlandish, unreal, reply with WTF, and so on.

With that I think I have made myself clear and feel no more need to continue this ridiculousness. Though I am sure you will find something to SPIN in this particular post.

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Billy - did you read my post? I\'m not surprised that you would make this about me having some grudge against Brooks. But let\'s examine your counter-argument, if you can call it an argument.

I HAVE said time and again that all AB needs to do to shut me up is play up to his potential. I\'ve said time and again that all he needs to do is be efficient, smart, and effective. You may say that I haven\'t, but I have. Further, it\'s really a moot point. Know why? B/c AB HAS NEVER DONE ANYTHING TO PROVE IT. Has he?

If a guy is top 5 at a position in the league in which there are 64 starters, and probably over 100 guys who are active in games with regularity, I think he\'s earned the right to call himself great. Whereas, a guy who is normally 12th - 17th at a position in which there are only 32 active starters/players cannot.

The bottom line remains very simple. It is virtually impossible to make the argument that Joe Horn hurts the New Orleans Saints. In fact, it\'s hard to make the argument that he hasn\'t been the most consistent and explosive player for the team over the last 5 years. On the other hand, not only is it easy to suggest, but it is done over and over by professional analysts and scouts and coaches and even the fans, that Aaron Brooks has minimal positive impact on the team, if any at all. There is a serious question as to whether AB is valuable to the team or not.

Because you can\'t dispute that, b/c you did not dispute my argument that Horn does show up every week, where AB does not, that Horn is a team leader and AB is not, you must simply fall back on the - AB grudge argument. Sure Billy - I guess you have a Joe Horn grudge. Why do you hate Joe Horn, and why do you love AB unconditionally? Have you ever seriously suggested that AB isn\'t the best QB in the league?

Have you ever said that you would support Joe Horn if he kept going to the Pro Bowl?

You\'ve NEVER said Horn should be resigned and kept if he just keeps playing like a Pro Bowler. You\'ve wanted him cut or traded for 3 years.

Horn says that the fans should support the team, but you bash him for that. Huh?

I guess you\'re just a Horn hater.

[Edited on 12/2/2005 by WhoDat]

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To further clarify what I noticed could be further misinterpreted...

I said about the Braves: I have no interest in them because they blow it every freaking year...I think they suck.

To interpret for saintswhodi and anyone else: I have grown indifferent to the Braves and baseball as a whole because of 12 out of 13 years of choking. I am still a fan but think they suck.

I am also a fan of the Saints but it is clear they kind of suck too right now. I only hope, as a fan who can only stand by and watch things happen, that they can get back to their 2000 form (actually I would rather have their 1987-1991 form).
Being a bigger fan of football (much bigger) than baseball, I am more prone to cheer on the Saints each year in hopes of something better. I\'ll stop there in fear of having any more statements SPUN.

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No, they\'re not. Not even close. I\'ve posted Horn\'s stats before. He\'s top 5 over the last 5 years. Brooks ain\'t even close, unless you want to look only at yards... oh, and fumbles.

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WhoDat --

So, basically what you\'re saying is it\'s okay for Joe Horn to say whatever the hell he wants because he produces on the field? Correct?

Joe Horn tells the fans they need to shutup and stop all the whinning and complaining or the Saints to need move to another city ... And, you\'re okay with that?

Then why have you told me for the last 2-years that the fans have the right to complain because we pay money to see this team.

Do you agree with Joe? If so, then you need to stop all this damn complaining. Shutup already...LMAO!! :P

And here this whole time I thought you wanted players to carry themselves as professionals..

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I\'m not surprised that you don\'t understand. It is a duality - tough concept. You understand that not caring what a player says so long as he produces and reserving the right to voice disapproval of the team are mutually exclusive, right?

Generally, I think players need to shut up and play - Joe Horn included. It upsets me that Horn would suggest that the Saints should move - but he doesn\'t really have any say in that, so why worry? Likewise, his comments don\'t seem to effect his play or the team. So what? I like the guy b/c he goes to the Pro Bowl over and over.

Just b/c I think a player can say whatever he wants to doesn\'t mean I agree with him. I know that\'s hard to undersatand for a guy who believes everything AB says, but it\'s really not a new concept (see history of Democracy or US history for examples).

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... someone should remind Mr Horn of what he is... an ENTERTAINER... and avery well paid entertainer for that matter... just like an actor in the movies, or a clown in the circus...

...the one line that really cracks me up s: \"if the New Orleans fans keep begging and crying about us winning\"...

..and then you wonder why this team is the way it is...

,,

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WhoDat --

From reading your post over the past couple of years, integrity and professionalism have always seemed important to you.

You always talk about how you wouldn\'t have a guy on your team like a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens. You always say you like \"character\" guys.

It confuses me that you wouldn\'t have a Terrell Owens or Randy Moss on your team, but you\'re willing to give Joe Horn a free pass because he\'s a great receiver.

Hold on Hoss!!

Aren\'t Randy Moss and Terrell Owens better than Joe Horn?

Let\'s get to the bottom of your real motives... okay? ;)



[Edited on 12/2/2005 by GumboBC]

Joe Horn tells it like it is!
 

So when you say you have no interest in them that means you still support them? Huh? And i\'m spinning? Explain to me how that works. If I have no interest in something, that means I don\'t care. So in your attempt to explain this off as spin, you say you are still a fan but think they suck? Again, huh? So noone can feel like this about the Saints? I haven\'t heard anyone on here say they suck, but they can\'t be down on them? Judge much? I see you left some room on the Braves bandwagon if they win the world series this year by calling yourself a fan, yet you have no interest in them. :rollinglaugh: No spin necessary on that.

Glad you caught the spell check. Generally when you attempt to insult someone you shouldn\'t mispell the words you are attempting to be insulting with. Also, doesn\'t Ms. Cleo predict things? I don\'t recall predicting anything, just laughing at a ridiculous statement. So not only was it mispelled, it didn\'t even apply. Like I said, I DEFINITELY hope you stick around.

So if me saying I was disappointed in your statement hurt your feelings, I am not gonna apologize for that. Don\'t make ridiculous statements and trust me it won\'t happen again. I see you glossed over any reply to that silliniess. Maybe you wanna delete it too. Did I spin that one too? LEt me make sure I got it right.

So again cause AB is our QB, you would rather we not make the playoffs or Superbowl? And you call yourself a sunshiner? Good luck finding someone to agree with that rubbish. I would MUCH rather us make a Superbowl if Billy Joe was still our QB. But we can see what kinda fan you are with your fairweather Braves approach. Oh that\'s right, you are a fan, but have \"no interest in them.\" :xxrotflmao:

Joe Horn tells it like it is!
 

Is it really that wrong to believe that a player who makes the probowl as often as Horn deserves a little more latitude than someone who has gone only once? Joe made some comments I wish he hadn\'t have made, but I can let it slide as long as it\'s an isolated incident.

By let it slide I mean to say that I wish he\'d just shut up and play, but I\'m not gonna go looking for statistical reasons to suggest he isn\'t one of our best football players.

There is a YAC thread going now in which Horn is ridiculed by some for having the lowest in the league. Let me ask those ridiculars this: Would you rather have a WR with the most catches in the league and the lowest YAC or the WR with the most YAC and the fewest catches (of all starters)?

Joe Horn tells it like it is!
 

If a couple of you are going to act like third graders, I\'m going to act like a teacher and lock this thread! Chill out!!!