We need to trade Brees now!

The Dude · 10-05-2015, 11:57 AM

Yea I loved how people in the chat were calling to put Luke in after that first drive. He is still hurt no doubt but still better than 90% of QBs out there. I don't see that there is any way we can find a better QB within the next two years. It's time to start thinking of the future but we aren't there yet.

Supertek · 10-05-2015, 12:08 PM

I thought it was a mistake to play Brees. Dallas is all banged up and we barely won the game. Good yard stick to see where we really are. So lucky for the drops by Dallas AlaskaSaints is spot on. We were just lucky and don't have much of a chance when we play a good team. I still think Brees is about done but I am grateful for what he has accomplished for us. It is not a good time for us we are going to have to let the players mature and try and get some more good players. I hate to say it but we have to rebuild. I do blame management for not making good choices that could have kept us competitive like Green Bay and New England are able to do year after year.

blackangold · 10-05-2015, 12:13 PM

Drew just needs a new play-caller and our offense could roll.

Is it any wonder why we seem to play better in 2min drill/hurry up offense? Payton isn't calling the plays...

neugey · 10-05-2015, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Drew just needs a new play-caller and our offense could roll.

Is it any wonder why we seem to play better in 2min drill/hurry up offense? Payton isn't calling the plays...

Is that true?

I was going to comment that our offense looks best when we pick up the pace, particularly the second drive of the game that ended in the Hill TD and last drive in regulation. Offense executes so much better when we keep it simple and move at a faster tempo. And the rest of the time we seem to have no rhythm with Payton pulling cutesy yet predictable crap out of the playbook that everyone sees coming.

Rob Ryan also needs to dumb down, it seems like we throw all these different looks out there, where we would be better served calling more standard looking defenses with coverage disguises.

Mardigras9 · 10-05-2015, 01:03 PM

Brees admittedly is not 100%, some of his throws were suspect and thankfully the Dallas defense can't catch, but his will to win cannot be replaced.

AsylumGuido · 10-05-2015, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Supertek

I thought it was a mistake to play Brees. Dallas is all banged up and we barely won the game. Good yard stick to see where we really are. So lucky for the drops by Dallas AlaskaSaints is spot on. We were just lucky and don't have much of a chance when we play a good team. I still think Brees is about done but I am grateful for what he has accomplished for us. It is not a good time for us we are going to have to let the players mature and try and get some more good players. I hate to say it but we have to rebuild. I do blame management for not making good choices that could have kept us competitive like Green Bay and New England are able to do year after year.

First of all, Green Bay and New England are primarily good year after year because they have had Favre, Rodgers and Brady at QB. Even at this stage of his career, Brees is still one of the top QB's in the game.

Secondly, where have you been the last couple of years? The Saints have been in a major rebuild mode. Hell, there are EIGHT rookies on the defense alone. Yes, there have been a few unfortunate pickups, but nothing more drastic than those on most every other franchise. Oh, and the ongoing rebuild included bringing in Ireland and axing several player evaluation personnel from the front office.

Lastly, the first of the three so called lucky breaks on Brees passes was tipped at the line. The ball was deflected into an end over end trajectory that was nowhere near the target. Yes, it was lucky the pass wasn't picked, but that was not on Brees at all.

I'm sure giving blame is more enjoyable for some of you, but give credit where credit is due. Once again, Brees was constantly under pressure and was still able to find the open man and make all the throws when needed. I'm not ready to be a fan of a 3-13, 4-12 team again and that's exactly where we will be whenever Brees decides to call it quits.

halloween 65 · 10-05-2015, 04:08 PM

Rodgers was handed the keys to Green Bay loaded with a great O-line, WR's, TE.'s and RB.'s. They draft extreamly well and til' today have good depth. Brady took the reigns when Bleadso got hurt and has had "The Hoodie" build great teams around his ability. Saints haven't drafted well and have little to no depth at any position, those teams have rebuilt. Saints have a long,long way to go to be stacked as good as those guys.

dizzle88 · 10-05-2015, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Rodgers was handed the keys to Green Bay loaded with a great O-line, WR's, TE.'s and RB.'s. They draft extreamly well and til' today have good depth. Brady took the reigns when Bleadso got hurt and has had "The Hoodie" build great teams around his ability. Saints haven't drafted well and have little to no depth at any position, those teams have rebuilt. Saints have a long,long way to go to be stacked as good as those guys.

I think the defensive positions we drafted for in 2014 will make us more successful in a couple seasons time, however we need to address O line and WR next draft.

AsylumGuido · 10-05-2015, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Rodgers was handed the keys to Green Bay loaded with a great O-line, WR's, TE.'s and RB.'s. They draft extreamly well and til' today have good depth. Brady took the reigns when Bleadso got hurt and has had "The Hoodie" build great teams around his ability. Saints haven't drafted well and have little to no depth at any position, those teams have rebuilt. Saints have a long,long way to go to be stacked as good as those guys.

I agree, but this year's draft appears to be very good. And before Brady's first full season at QB, the Patriots only had FOUR winning seasons over the previous 12 years. They were one of the worst franchises over that stretch.

As for the Packers pre-Favre years, they only had ONE season with over eight wins in 20 years! The first year Rodgers took over he only managed six wins so it wasn't the depth of talent. Once Rodgers got his feet under him he has been the sole reason the Packers have remained viable.

QB's like Brady, Favre, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Montana and such are few and far between. You don't cut ties unless you have a Rodgers, a Luck or a Steve Young ready to go in the wings. It may be a decade or more before the Saints have a shot at a difference maker like Brees. It doesn't matter the makeup of the rest of the roster, if you do not have the QB you are not going to be successful for the long run.

halloween 65 · 10-05-2015, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I think the defensive positions we drafted for in 2014 will make us more successful in a couple seasons time, however we need to address O line and WR next draft.

O-line and depth on the O-line, 1 big body WR would be a +. D-line with depth and lb, with depth. It will take 2 seasons worth of draft to do this. So which leaves the question which side firsr theO or the D. And this depends on the draft picks. What a mess.

10-05-2015, 11:57 AM	#11
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10-05-2015, 12:08 PM	#12
Supertek 500th Post Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Harvey La. Posts: 611	Re: We need to trade Brees now! I thought it was a mistake to play Brees. Dallas is all banged up and we barely won the game. Good yard stick to see where we really are. So lucky for the drops by Dallas AlaskaSaints is spot on. We were just lucky and don't have much of a chance when we play a good team. I still think Brees is about done but I am grateful for what he has accomplished for us. It is not a good time for us we are going to have to let the players mature and try and get some more good players. I hate to say it but we have to rebuild. I do blame management for not making good choices that could have kept us competitive like Green Bay and New England are able to do year after year.

10-05-2015, 12:13 PM	#13
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: We need to trade Brees now! Drew just needs a new play-caller and our offense could roll. Is it any wonder why we seem to play better in 2min drill/hurry up offense? Payton isn't calling the plays... Halo and brees84 like this.

10-05-2015, 12:36 PM	#14
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: We need to trade Brees now! Originally Posted by blackangold Drew just needs a new play-caller and our offense could roll. Is it any wonder why we seem to play better in 2min drill/hurry up offense? Payton isn't calling the plays... Is that true? I was going to comment that our offense looks best when we pick up the pace, particularly the second drive of the game that ended in the Hill TD and last drive in regulation. Offense executes so much better when we keep it simple and move at a faster tempo. And the rest of the time we seem to have no rhythm with Payton pulling cutesy yet predictable crap out of the playbook that everyone sees coming. Rob Ryan also needs to dumb down, it seems like we throw all these different looks out there, where we would be better served calling more standard looking defenses with coverage disguises.

10-05-2015, 01:03 PM	#15
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10-05-2015, 02:40 PM	#16
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,201	Re: We need to trade Brees now! Originally Posted by Supertek I thought it was a mistake to play Brees. Dallas is all banged up and we barely won the game. Good yard stick to see where we really are. So lucky for the drops by Dallas AlaskaSaints is spot on. We were just lucky and don't have much of a chance when we play a good team. I still think Brees is about done but I am grateful for what he has accomplished for us. It is not a good time for us we are going to have to let the players mature and try and get some more good players. I hate to say it but we have to rebuild. I do blame management for not making good choices that could have kept us competitive like Green Bay and New England are able to do year after year. First of all, Green Bay and New England are primarily good year after year because they have had Favre, Rodgers and Brady at QB. Even at this stage of his career, Brees is still one of the top QB's in the game. Secondly, where have you been the last couple of years? The Saints have been in a major rebuild mode. Hell, there are EIGHT rookies on the defense alone. Yes, there have been a few unfortunate pickups, but nothing more drastic than those on most every other franchise. Oh, and the ongoing rebuild included bringing in Ireland and axing several player evaluation personnel from the front office. Lastly, the first of the three so called lucky breaks on Brees passes was tipped at the line. The ball was deflected into an end over end trajectory that was nowhere near the target. Yes, it was lucky the pass wasn't picked, but that was not on Brees at all. I'm sure giving blame is more enjoyable for some of you, but give credit where credit is due. Once again, Brees was constantly under pressure and was still able to find the open man and make all the throws when needed. I'm not ready to be a fan of a 3-13, 4-12 team again and that's exactly where we will be whenever Brees decides to call it quits. Halo, jnormand, Crusader and 1 others like this.
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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: We need to trade Brees now! Rodgers was handed the keys to Green Bay loaded with a great O-line, WR's, TE.'s and RB.'s. They draft extreamly well and til' today have good depth. Brady took the reigns when Bleadso got hurt and has had "The Hoodie" build great teams around his ability. Saints haven't drafted well and have little to no depth at any position, those teams have rebuilt. Saints have a long,long way to go to be stacked as good as those guys. leilung, K Major and brees84 like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: We need to trade Brees now! Originally Posted by halloween 65 Rodgers was handed the keys to Green Bay loaded with a great O-line, WR's, TE.'s and RB.'s. They draft extreamly well and til' today have good depth. Brady took the reigns when Bleadso got hurt and has had "The Hoodie" build great teams around his ability. Saints haven't drafted well and have little to no depth at any position, those teams have rebuilt. Saints have a long,long way to go to be stacked as good as those guys. I think the defensive positions we drafted for in 2014 will make us more successful in a couple seasons time, however we need to address O line and WR next draft.

10-05-2015, 04:30 PM	#19
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,201	Re: We need to trade Brees now! Originally Posted by halloween 65 Rodgers was handed the keys to Green Bay loaded with a great O-line, WR's, TE.'s and RB.'s. They draft extreamly well and til' today have good depth. Brady took the reigns when Bleadso got hurt and has had "The Hoodie" build great teams around his ability. Saints haven't drafted well and have little to no depth at any position, those teams have rebuilt. Saints have a long,long way to go to be stacked as good as those guys. I agree, but this year's draft appears to be very good. And before Brady's first full season at QB, the Patriots only had FOUR winning seasons over the previous 12 years. They were one of the worst franchises over that stretch. As for the Packers pre-Favre years, they only had ONE season with over eight wins in 20 years! The first year Rodgers took over he only managed six wins so it wasn't the depth of talent. Once Rodgers got his feet under him he has been the sole reason the Packers have remained viable. QB's like Brady, Favre, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, Montana and such are few and far between. You don't cut ties unless you have a Rodgers, a Luck or a Steve Young ready to go in the wings. It may be a decade or more before the Saints have a shot at a difference maker like Brees. It doesn't matter the makeup of the rest of the roster, if you do not have the QB you are not going to be successful for the long run.

10-05-2015, 04:43 PM	#20
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: We need to trade Brees now! Originally Posted by dizzle88 I think the defensive positions we drafted for in 2014 will make us more successful in a couple seasons time, however we need to address O line and WR next draft. O-line and depth on the O-line, 1 big body WR would be a +. D-line with depth and lb, with depth. It will take 2 seasons worth of draft to do this. So which leaves the question which side firsr theO or the D. And this depends on the draft picks. What a mess.

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