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How do you know the next "sure" thing at QB?

Here's some examples :

Jimmy Johnson inherited the No. 1 choice in his first season in Dallas and took quarterback Troy Aikman in 1989, a franchise quarterback who would help the Cowboys win three Super Bowls.

Indianapolis held the magical pick a year after Dallas and took who it thought was going to be it's Aikman in Jeff George. The Indianapolis native turned out to be an anti-Aikman as he lasted just four seasons with the hometown Colts before he and his acidic attitude were shipped out of town to Atlanta for three draft choices. Out of those three picks, the Colts were eventually able to get All-Pro wide receiver Marvin Harrison, six years after they had selected George.

Since 1990, there have been 21 quarterbacks selected in the first round of the NFL Draft with decidedly mixed results!

For every Drew Bledsoe, there is a Tommy Maddox. Steve McNair is doing just fine; Heath Shuler is selling real estate. Peyton Manning is a superstar; Ryan Leaf is out of the league.

Fans look at a few QBs that have come out of nowhere and think those guys grow on trees! Fans are convinced they know who's the next great QB!

Of course, you'd be wise not to question those fans who think they know the QB postion and how to tell the next great QB!

But, that's mighty risky business folks!!

In fact, picking QB's is a risky business for guys whose job it is to evaluate potential NFL QBs! Much less some "Monday Morning" QB !!

Right now there's some fans out there looking at some back-up QB or looking at one of the QBs in the upcoming draft. They think they know a "sure thing when they see it.

I'll bet ya anything that those same fans would have be sold on some of these 1st round draft selections :

Tim Couch
Ryan Leaf
Jim Druckenmiller
Heath Shuler
David Klingler
Tommy Maddox
Dan McGwire,
Todd Marinovich
Andre Ware

But, I'll bet if you ask those fans who KNOW how to tell the "sure" thing ... They'll tell you they knew better!

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What\'s the point of this thread?

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I think he has caught on to the fact that none of us really know whether a player is gonna make it or bust. The secret is out, I guess. :D

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But unlike us \"haters\" he knows AB is the best QB in the league. How does that work?

AB: \"I\'m a great QB.\"
Billy: Sounds about right to me.
AB\'s rank: ~15th overall

Joe Horn: \"I\'m a great WR\"
Billy: Worst comments ever made by a Saint.
Horn\'s rank: ~4th or 5th in every category for 5 years.

Uh??????????

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Well, I\'ve been reading all the wonderful posts on this board about all these QBs that we need to get.

They tell me it would be wise to get some rookie or unproven back-up QB and suffer for a couple of years until they get their feet wet.

They tell me its in the best interest of the team.

Yep, that\'s what they tell me.

Just pointing out how easy it is to end up with a bust at QB.

Of course I know you guys know what you\'re talking about.... ;)

Well, okay .... I lied. I don\'t believe too much some of you say!! :P

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Right - better to be the most inconsistent and underachieving mediocre team in the league b/c you\'re too scared to make a change and get worse. Good plan.

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Wait - are these the same guys that told you the offense would digress slightly, the defense would be bad, and the team would be average?

Right, don\'t listen to us. Keep on talking about why the team will be 12-4 with a top 10 defense. LMAO. If you say it every year, I\'m sure you\'ll eventually be right. LOL

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There are two points here, and they are distinct:

(1) A given poster\'s risk aversion.
(2) How bad it is with the current guy.

It is my view (and this has been discussed at some length elsewhere) that (1) is not really worth discussing, and (2) has been beaten to death.

I\'m inclined to agree with Billy on this one. If we want someone to get it done right away, we don\'t want a rookie. First, there is good reason to think that a rookie will not even reach Brooks\' stats in the first two years (and that is saying something about how rookies do) - if you want some evidence go back and look at my analysis of Leftwich and Boller. Second, there is some chance that a rookie will be a bust, as Billy has pointed out here.

Certainly, we can do better with another QB. However, there is just good reason to think that a rookie won\'t do it for at least two years (or, for Whodi, no reason to think one way or another that a rookie could be as good in two years - which is fine, the argument still stands).

We should get a proven guy, like Hasselbeck, or go with a guy who has had some experience in the league (at least two years).

Now, if you really have a long range out-look, and you don\'t mind being not much, if at all, better (and don\'t mind the risk of being much worse) than we are at the QB position right now, a rookie will be just fine in all probability. I don\'t see how that could be argued against.

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most folks say rookie to groom, not to throw into the fire. the common names mentioned i do not consider unproven back-ups: garcia, mcmahon, holcombe, brees, bledsoe, hasslebeck, johnson, maddox, kitna, rattay, etc.

we already know that all to well! i just wish we could get rid of him before he has no trade value left when he loses his job.

i know well and sure that a change may not end up being an improvement. for 6mil+ commitment for a few more years i would much rather a different flavor poison- something other than the 51 fumbles in the past four years, the failures at the critical junctures, the mouth that seems to become increasingly arrogant and assinine, etc, etc, etc.

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What I have a problem with is SOME of you are all for getting an unproven rookie or backup QB and not ever talking about the risks associated with it.

All I hear is it\'s in the best interest of the team to get rid of our current QB and let\'s hope for the best. I\'m sorry, I can\'t be that naive!

Unlike some, I fully understand the risks that are associated with drafting a QB. Or inserting an unproven backup!

Now, some of you have brought up some good options. Like Drew Brees. (though I\'m not sure)

But some of you seem hell-bent on trying damn near anything at QB!

P.S. - As far as all this drivel about AB ... It\'s not worth responding to. You can do better... ;)

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Would it follow, then, that (1)your response is not worth reading, and (2) YOU are beating a dead horse? :cool:

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Kind of you to point that out LB. Did I kill your Mom in a past life or something?

Either way, (1) and (2) refered to points in my thread.

(1) is about whether or not it is worth discussing people\'s relative level of risk aversion. It is my view that THAT is not worth discussing; I certainly wasn\'t calling anyone out for posting in this thread.

(2) it is my view that the AB discussion has been beaten like a dead horse, but I am not opposed to beating it some more. All I meant by that is that my view has been expressed several times in several places and I merely wanted to acknowledge that I was going to repeat myself. I suppose I could have picked a better way of stating that.

:banana:

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That\'s just funny as hell!!

It might even make it on my sig.

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So, it WAS you!!! I suspected it all along!! :furious:

Nah, JK, I was just joking...just call me the jester. :jester:

Don\'t take me seriously, because I certainly don\'t take myself that way. I like your posting style, factual and intelligent.
(I thought a little love was in order, being so close to Valentine\'s Day and all! ) . :heartpump:

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:mcgregor:

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I was actually \'\'sold\'\'on Couch...I still believe he can play...I just think ..then..the Browns were QB killers...not much has changed in that area...

Ryan Leaf was an outstanding college QB...Maybe his bum wrist really did affect him to the point of just not bieng able to put enough on the ball?..I don\'t know...

But..several of those guys you mentioned had decent NFL careers...

It\'s not about getting the next Montana..we are just sick to death of Brooks..and that really sums it up...He\'s a punk...and whatever flash he may have had in the pan..is just about over...and it\'s time to get some new blood...

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Another thing on Brooks that I have observed over the years..

He tends to lock up on a single reciver...for sometimes...weeks at a time..Willie jackson..( an obvoiuos benefactor of Nepotism)..was the Saints leading receiver for several weeks in a row..and the Coaches practically had to manually turn Brooks\' head , in order to focus a little more on Horn..our money reciever...and now..Horn\'s catches, in comparison, are hugley lopsided when compared to other Saints receivers...good receivers too..it\'s a waste.

Maybe Stallworths\' lack of production stems from a one eyed QB?

Even when AB manged to scrape 1 single playoff victory...it wasn\'t like he would scramble..and telepathically lead the receivers...he was freaking out...waiting for a receiver to get open...and he benefited from good receivers...not the other way around...

He has never really been the answer at QB...all we managed to get is one single playoff appearance..and 1 single win in the playoffs...and I am willing to bet..if he had started that entire season...we would have went 8-8...or worse...he benefited from Blake\'s pro bowl play...and stumbled into 1 single playoff win...BIG DEAL....

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Sad, but very true.

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Right on shadow.

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Oddly, this thread was not about AB. It was about whether or not a rookie was an obvious solution to our QB woes. Sure, you might compare a rookie to AB, but merely stating it is time to move on has nothing to do with it.

Why don\'t you guys start a new thread if you just want to say why you want AB gone? Actually, heck, I\'ll do it for you just a moment.