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44Champs 10-11-2015 01:22 PM

Brandin Cooks Hype
 
Someone please enlighten me. I don't get it.

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voodooido 10-11-2015 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 674425)
Someone please enlighten me. I don't get it.

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The kid has the talent and will produce. He needs another WR to help him. You see what happen when Snead started today? Both went for 100+

Boutte 10-11-2015 04:26 PM

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He was getting doubled at the line and had a safety over the top. Once Snead starting burning them Cooks was able to get loose. Time for Colston to hang it up.

Cruize 10-11-2015 04:32 PM

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And yet Brees continues to force the ball to him. Not that McNown is/has been/could ever be with a time machine, a QB like Brees, but I really liked the way he spread the ball around and just looked for the open guy in the game he played.

halloween 65 10-11-2015 11:02 PM

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Like the guy but a 1st and 3rd was really a high price to give up. Would be dynamic in the slot to go along with a true #1 big body reciever. Snead sure looks good especially for a UDFA we got lucky with him.

Saint in Aus 10-11-2015 11:05 PM

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No way we can be judging him yet. He has absolutely no support at the moment. We need to go hard on WR's at the draft because we have nothing at the moment.

foreverfan 10-11-2015 11:19 PM

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|Mitch| 10-11-2015 11:42 PM

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Guard, Receiver, Tight End are badly needed in the draft

jeanpierre 10-12-2015 12:50 AM

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Got to give 'em three years...

However, he's no X-receiver...

We waaaay overpaid for him in the draft...

burningmetal 10-12-2015 01:12 AM

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I don't think he sucks or anything but I find that he doesn't fight for the ball very much. He's never going to be a true #1 receiver because of his size. He cannot compete for jump balls with corners who have any kind of decent size. He has to be "the other guy" like Randall Cobb, who has similar size, is when Jordy Nelson is healthy. You can't be THE guy if you aren't able to be a consistent red zone target.

But aside from his size, he just looks like he's always waiting for the ball to get to him, instead coming back for it when it's under thrown. He broke a couple plays today, which was nice. I know he doesn't have much help, but he needs to fight for the ball a little more in my opinion.

Crusader 10-12-2015 03:41 AM

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Cooks and Snead are basically the same size, Cooks is a little faster. The best thing with them both is that they are 22 years old. They are a great foundation for a WR corps.
Snead and Cooks are on pace for 1200 and 1000 yards this season.

billyt81 10-12-2015 03:49 AM

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This is ridiculous. Cooks is the real deal, one of the very quickest and fastest players in the NFL and he's a legit polished route runner with great hands. Im thinking Travon Dural next to Cooks next year and we'll be set for the next ten years at WR.

MatthewT 10-12-2015 06:47 AM

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The issues with Colston has not helped Cooks at all, fortunately Snead is picking up his game and looks like a legitimate keeper. The Saints will need a big body WR to compliment these other guys. The Saints have been trying to find a replacement for Colston for a while, Toon didn't pan out, and so far Coleman isn't either. Once these other pieces are in place, Cooks will be able to make significant contributions to the offense.

rezburna 10-12-2015 06:54 AM

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Rueben Randle would be a great pick up next offseason. Randle and Snead on the outside with Cooks working the slot sounds good to me. We might need to utilize Cooks similar to Wes Welker. That's how I use him on Madden. 😏 The backers, nickels and safeties can't hold him.

Crusader 10-12-2015 07:07 AM

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And don't forget Coleman, he isn't as good as we want yet but he still might develop into something. He shows really good flashes.

K Major 10-12-2015 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 674804)
And don't forget Coleman, he isn't as good as we want yet but he still might develop into something. He shows really good flashes.

I hate to be even more critical on a Monday but BC is starting to look like he isn't very good :(.

Cruize 10-12-2015 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 674782)
This is ridiculous. Cooks is the real deal, one of the very quickest and fastest players in the NFL and he's a legit polished route runner with great hands. Im thinking Travon Dural next to Cooks next year and we'll be set for the next ten years at WR.

No one is doubting his skills. But, where is the production? Where is the play making? Saing he doesn't have someone next to him is just an excuse.

SaintsBro 10-12-2015 10:09 AM

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Cooks is fast. Colston is sloooooow. At the time Cooks was drafted, Colston, Meachem, Moore, Thomas, Jed Collins (!) -- basically EVERYBODY on the Saints roster who could catch a ball, looked old and tired and slow as molasses, next to NFL defenders. Sproles was fast, but he was gone. Ingram is only fast if he gets rumbling, with like 10 or 20 yards to pick up steam -- he's not explosive. They also brought in Jalen Sanders that same year, who was a marginal contributor, but the only thing you could really say about him was that he was also FAST, not slow.

That's about it. He is small but fast. That jump ball into the end zone against Carolina, Jimmy Graham or a young Marques Colston could have probably come down with it.

Danno 10-12-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 674843)
Cooks is fast. Colston is sloooooow. At the time Cooks was drafted, Colston, Meachem, Moore, Thomas, Jed Collins (!) -- basically EVERYBODY on the Saints roster who could catch a ball, looked old and tired and slow as molasses, next to NFL defenders. Sproles was fast, but he was gone. Ingram is only fast if he gets rumbling, with like 10 or 20 yards to pick up steam -- he's not explosive. They also brought in Jalen Sanders that same year, who was a marginal contributor, but the only thing you could really say about him was that he was also FAST, not slow.

That's about it. He is small but fast. That jump ball into the end zone against Carolina, Jimmy Graham or a young Marques Colston could have probably come down with it.


Ingram had one of the fastest 10 yard times for RB's in NFL Combine history. Ingram has great burst and short area quickness, he just doesn't have top end speed.

But everything else is pretty much spot on.

brees84 10-12-2015 10:45 AM

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john brown - larry fitzgerald
Randal cobb - Jordy Nelson
Brandin Cooks - marques colston

K Major 10-12-2015 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 674852)
Brandin Cooks - marques colston

I almost feel sorry for Colston. The dude does nothing but work his a#$ off, never complains but his skills have diminished. He didn't even take himself out of the game after he injured his arm. He is a soldier, warrior but unfortunately his time is up.

CharityMike 10-12-2015 03:07 PM

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If Payton is still here next year, anyone wishing for an lsu receiver is just doing that..wishing. this coaching staff has shown zero desire to get anyone from there.

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WillSaints81 10-12-2015 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 674852)
john brown - larry fitzgerald
Randal cobb - Jordy Nelson
Brandin Cooks - marques colston

Cobb is one of these things not like the other.......slot receiver

WillSaints81 10-12-2015 05:52 PM

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I mean in terms of the newer guys mentioned. Fitz and Colston, the veterans, are slots.

Rugby Saint II 10-13-2015 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 674804)
And don't forget Coleman, he isn't as good as we want yet but he still might develop into something. He shows really good flashes.

Whenever I see that smug look in Payton's eyes when discussing a position with a little known player like center last or WR this year I begin to cringe. We don't develop players well enough to suit me.

voodooido 10-13-2015 07:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 674781)
Cooks and Snead are basically the same size, Cooks is a little faster. The best thing with them both is that they are 22 years old. They are a great foundation for a WR corps.
Snead and Cooks are on pace for 1200 and 1000 yards this season.

Exactly! Ill take 2200 yards every year between those 2.

Beastmode 10-13-2015 08:10 PM

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Good receiver. Wrong fit. We need a Megatron style WR. Should have man'ed up and got a more industrial style true #1. The results are obvious, too small, gets mauled at the line and speed is a non factor at that point. Also using him on returns, something he has never been good at but once again, Payton puts things on players that do not fit and once again, fail. These small receivers play a role. They will never be a #1. It was tried with Moore. As good as he was he is not that guy and neither is Cooks. Get a real #1 and get a real DT that can at least, make the QB move a few feet.

hagan714 10-14-2015 09:19 AM

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The saints drafted one WR since Colston that made an impact. we traded him away.

Cook is a ????? not really sure what kind of WR he is to be honest. The saints WR corp is an enigma wrapped inside a riddle. Now Colston goes down?

Saints need and have needed to address the WR position in the draft for years. Yet we always play that UDFA gem game to fill the roster.

So till Cooks get a supporting cast I can not judge the guy.

lumm0x 10-14-2015 10:39 AM

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I have no issue with Cooks at all. He has not dropped a lot of balls, he runs precise routes, he is a good person who conducts himself well. It's not his fault defense are allowed to pretty much ignore every other piece of our offense and roll coverage to him. It's not his fault that Drew can't take the top off a defense anymore on a deep ball unless it's a blown coverage. And it's not his fault we run the same predictable end around to him that any defense can identify in seconds.

It's the same issue St Louis had with Tavon Austin. Nothing else to defend so they can easily take him out of the game. Look at how Austin is emerging this year as that team now has more weapons to defend. If we had a legitimate #1 and Jimmy Graham still I bet we would be talking about what a crazy weapon Cooks is. Only downside to that is it would be at the expense of our o-line and defense, not that we are stellar there either but we have drafted some potential nice long term pieces.

darstep 10-14-2015 11:53 AM

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Agree. Cooks is good in his own right.
They are doubling him and singles everywhere else can't get open.
O-line doesn't even allow Drew to look-off and come back to him.
I spew about Brees dinking and dunking but that's all he really has time for anymore.
His progressions are dead after two...
Even then he's getting pressure up the middle. Drew's a pocket passer.
He's having to look at Stief's guy 1st, even before he sets his feet. It's just bad.
Cooks just has no relief to make opponents play him honest.

darstep 10-14-2015 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 674912)
If Payton is still here next year, anyone wishing for an lsu receiver is just doing that..wishing. this coaching staff has shown zero desire to get anyone from there.

They ought to just roll out the red carpet and get some corners and safeties from there.

The Dude 10-14-2015 12:20 PM

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Hes good but he will never be first round talent. He is a situational guy who is good for one or two things. Im of the belief if you are going wide receiver you try and find a number 1 receiver with a first round pick. I think it would have made more sense to draft him where we did if we already had some legit receivers and a true number 1. I guess the logic behind drafting him was exactly that. We had Graham who was a huge target and Stills was coming into his own so it looked like Cooks would compliment our offfense very well. That all went out the window when we started trading.


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