best 17th rounder

LKelley67 · 02-14-2005, 11:35 AM

i was looking over n.o. draft history and made this little list of best pick per round all-time:

17- danny abramowicz rb xavier 1967, better than the 1st rounder of my namesake. good wr and coaching career

16 & 15- none

14- bobby scott qb tenn 1971, he was a decent backup when archie succumbed to the pounding of terrible o-lines

13- none

12- jim wilks dt sd st 1981, saints hall of fame 2001

11- bob pollard de weber st. 1971, some solid years

10- hokie gajan rb lsu, decent fullback. asterisk for rafael septien k usl 1977 who had very many good yrs for dallas

09- brian hansen p sioux falls 1984, decent career

08- larry estes de alcorn 1970, (help me out LB) i think he played a few years okay. not much otherwise- toi cook '87 and Filipo Mokofisi '86 lol

07- eric martin wr lsu 1985, the glory years. others good- dinardo g '71, atkins db '87, houser '00 might be an all pro long snapper if they had that position

06- fred mcafee rb mis college 1991, just cuz he still is playing and productive, bulger and j.t. picked here

05- tyrone hughes db neb 1993, held all n.o. kick return records till the beerman appeared. chad morton had better yrs after leaving n.o.

04- morton anderson k mich st 1982, hall of famer imo, joel hilgenberg c 1984 not a bad second, i just had to put the name D'Artagnan Martin too since i hadnt said it 20 yrs lol

harder picks from here up
03- pat swilling lb geo tech 1986, dome patrol icon. nods to frank warren de, rueben mayes rb, hoby brenner te, and del williams c

02- rickey jackson lb pitt 1981, hall of famer imo, glad he got a ring with sf, thanks for good careers to dalton hilliard wr, steve korte g, dave waymer s, tony galbreath rb, and derland moore de. d. howard and lecharles could make the list with a career here

01- archie manning qb ole miss 1971, he was the franchise for a longtime. he was beat up bad on dreadful teams when there wasnt the qb protection rules like today. he would have been a prototype for today's game. deuce if he avoids injury and stays home might be the tops one day. willie roaf should be hall of fame. stan brock and jim dombrowski were both 1st rd quality ot's. george rogers had a good but brief career (even if he was picked ahead of lawrence taylor). chuck muncie, ken burrough, and wes chandler were all top players that were traded away. nods to wayne martin and joe johnson. when was the last time you said the name ironhead?

LKelley67 · 02-14-2005, 11:45 AM

i had to look up some archie sack numbers...

he was sacked 43 times in a 14 game season in \'72. seriously victor riley last year woud have been a stud in that group. he was running for his life, 63 carries for 351 yds. as mobile as he was he is 7th in all times sacks- 396! that\'s some pounding. that aint a bad thing btw, elway is #1

saintswhodi · 02-14-2005, 11:50 AM

Nice post LKelley and nice stats on Archie. Best Saints QB of all time.

GumboBC · 02-14-2005, 11:51 AM

i had to look up some archie sack numbers...

he was sacked 43 times in a 14 game season in \'72. seriously victor riley last year woud have been a stud in that group

Considering our offensive line gave up 41 sacks this year -- and Riley was our worst offensive lineman -- I don\'t know how much of a \"stud\" he would have been!

[Edited on 14/2/2005 by GumboBC]

saintswhodi · 02-14-2005, 12:01 PM

Here\'s some more on Arch LKel:

Archie Manning, Quarterback
Ole Miss, 1968-1970

For our list of the 100 Greatest Players of All-Time we put a premium on accomplishments and what that player did to change the game of college football, but we also wanted to highlight the legends of the game. For a running back or quarterback to separate from the rest of the pack, a player needed to win Heismans, national championships and All-America honors. Archibald Elisha Manning III did none of that and yet he still ranks high on our list for being one of the legends of college football. Along with awards and wins, we gave a ton of consideration to players who just plain were college football.

Ole Miss never won a national championship, or even an SEC title, under Manning and went 15-7 in 1969 and 1970. Hardly a great team record, but that doesn\'t diminish the player that Manning was. No one represents the legends or the passion of football in the South, or is what football means down there, more than two personalities; Bear Bryant and Archie Manning. Few inspired the love of a whole state more than Manning as he remains today as Mississippi\'s most popular personality. The speed limit on the Ole Miss campus? 18 miles per hour.

The resurgence and the game: Think the 2001, seven overtime game against Arkansas was a classic? In 1969, Manning played one of the greatest games the college football has ever seen throwing for 436 yards and three touchdowns and rushing for 104 yards in the 33-32 loss to Alabama. America caught a glimpse of the junior\'s talents in the first ever prime time national telecast of a college game and people all across the nation were buzzing about the star of the South.. Manning led the Rebels to wins over three top five teams including a 38-0 win over Tennessee.

The all-around player: Manning still holds the Ole Miss record for total career touchdowns (until Eli takes it over) with 56. He ran for 823 yards and threw for 4,753 in his career and scored 14 touchdowns in 1969.

The star crossed NFL star: Not blessed with any talent around him, the No. 2 pick in the 1971 NFL draft spent 14 years with New Orleans, Houston and Minnesota throwing for 125 touchdowns and 173 interceptions playing on miserably bad teams. Few quarterbacks were as beaten and battered as Manning was behind some of the worst offensive lines the NFL has ever seen. Manning\'s still the New Orleans career leader in total yards and touchdown passes (115).
Honors:

College Football Hall of Fame - 1989
3rd in Heisman Trophy - 1970
4th in Heisman Trophy - 1969
No. 18 Ole Miss jersey retired
Ole Miss Team of the Century
All-SEC - 1969, 1970
Walter Camp Award - 1969
NFL Most Valuable Player - 1978
UPI Offensive Player of the Year - 1969
Mississippi Sports Hall of Fame - 1989

And in 14 game seasons. Like you said LKel, with no rules protecting the QBs back then either. Wow. But like you said, Deuce may change that if, like Danno said, he comes in in better shape and avoids the injuries. Gonna be kinda hard to beat out Arch though as the best Saints number one pick ever, and one of our best players ever, period.

[Edited on 14/2/2005 by saintswhodi]

02-14-2005, 11:45 AM	#2
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	best 17th rounder i had to look up some archie sack numbers... he was sacked 43 times in a 14 game season in \'72. seriously victor riley last year woud have been a stud in that group. he was running for his life, 63 carries for 351 yds. as mobile as he was he is 7th in all times sacks- 396! that\'s some pounding. that aint a bad thing btw, elway is #1

02-14-2005, 11:50 AM	#3
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	best 17th rounder Nice post LKelley and nice stats on Archie. Best Saints QB of all time.

02-14-2005, 11:51 AM	#4
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	best 17th rounder i had to look up some archie sack numbers... he was sacked 43 times in a 14 game season in \'72. seriously victor riley last year woud have been a stud in that group Considering our offensive line gave up 41 sacks this year -- and Riley was our worst offensive lineman -- I don\'t know how much of a \"stud\" he would have been! [Edited on 14/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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02-14-2005, 12:01 PM	#5
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	best 17th rounder Here\'s some more on Arch LKel: Archie Manning, Quarterback Ole Miss, 1968-1970 For our list of the 100 Greatest Players of All-Time we put a premium on accomplishments and what that player did to change the game of college football, but we also wanted to highlight the legends of the game. For a running back or quarterback to separate from the rest of the pack, a player needed to win Heismans, national championships and All-America honors. Archibald Elisha Manning III did none of that and yet he still ranks high on our list for being one of the legends of college football. Along with awards and wins, we gave a ton of consideration to players who just plain were college football. Ole Miss never won a national championship, or even an SEC title, under Manning and went 15-7 in 1969 and 1970. Hardly a great team record, but that doesn\'t diminish the player that Manning was. No one represents the legends or the passion of football in the South, or is what football means down there, more than two personalities; Bear Bryant and Archie Manning. Few inspired the love of a whole state more than Manning as he remains today as Mississippi\'s most popular personality. The speed limit on the Ole Miss campus? 18 miles per hour. The resurgence and the game: Think the 2001, seven overtime game against Arkansas was a classic? In 1969, Manning played one of the greatest games the college football has ever seen throwing for 436 yards and three touchdowns and rushing for 104 yards in the 33-32 loss to Alabama. America caught a glimpse of the junior\'s talents in the first ever prime time national telecast of a college game and people all across the nation were buzzing about the star of the South.. Manning led the Rebels to wins over three top five teams including a 38-0 win over Tennessee. The all-around player: Manning still holds the Ole Miss record for total career touchdowns (until Eli takes it over) with 56. He ran for 823 yards and threw for 4,753 in his career and scored 14 touchdowns in 1969. The star crossed NFL star: Not blessed with any talent around him, the No. 2 pick in the 1971 NFL draft spent 14 years with New Orleans, Houston and Minnesota throwing for 125 touchdowns and 173 interceptions playing on miserably bad teams. Few quarterbacks were as beaten and battered as Manning was behind some of the worst offensive lines the NFL has ever seen. Manning\'s still the New Orleans career leader in total yards and touchdown passes (115). Honors: College Football Hall of Fame - 1989 3rd in Heisman Trophy - 1970 4th in Heisman Trophy - 1969 No. 18 Ole Miss jersey retired Ole Miss Team of the Century All-SEC - 1969, 1970 Walter Camp Award - 1969 NFL Most Valuable Player - 1978 UPI Offensive Player of the Year - 1969 Mississippi Sports Hall of Fame - 1989 And in 14 game seasons. Like you said LKel, with no rules protecting the QBs back then either. Wow. But like you said, Deuce may change that if, like Danno said, he comes in in better shape and avoids the injuries. Gonna be kinda hard to beat out Arch though as the best Saints number one pick ever, and one of our best players ever, period. [Edited on 14/2/2005 by saintswhodi]

02-14-2005, 11:35 AM	#1
LKelley67 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: baton rouge Posts: 2,540	best 17th rounder i was looking over n.o. draft history and made this little list of best pick per round all-time: 17- danny abramowicz rb xavier 1967, better than the 1st rounder of my namesake. good wr and coaching career 16 & 15- none 14- bobby scott qb tenn 1971, he was a decent backup when archie succumbed to the pounding of terrible o-lines 13- none 12- jim wilks dt sd st 1981, saints hall of fame 2001 11- bob pollard de weber st. 1971, some solid years 10- hokie gajan rb lsu, decent fullback. asterisk for rafael septien k usl 1977 who had very many good yrs for dallas 09- brian hansen p sioux falls 1984, decent career 08- larry estes de alcorn 1970, (help me out LB) i think he played a few years okay. not much otherwise- toi cook '87 and Filipo Mokofisi '86 lol 07- eric martin wr lsu 1985, the glory years. others good- dinardo g '71, atkins db '87, houser '00 might be an all pro long snapper if they had that position 06- fred mcafee rb mis college 1991, just cuz he still is playing and productive, bulger and j.t. picked here 05- tyrone hughes db neb 1993, held all n.o. kick return records till the beerman appeared. chad morton had better yrs after leaving n.o. 04- morton anderson k mich st 1982, hall of famer imo, joel hilgenberg c 1984 not a bad second, i just had to put the name D'Artagnan Martin too since i hadnt said it 20 yrs lol harder picks from here up 03- pat swilling lb geo tech 1986, dome patrol icon. nods to frank warren de, rueben mayes rb, hoby brenner te, and del williams c 02- rickey jackson lb pitt 1981, hall of famer imo, glad he got a ring with sf, thanks for good careers to dalton hilliard wr, steve korte g, dave waymer s, tony galbreath rb, and derland moore de. d. howard and lecharles could make the list with a career here 01- archie manning qb ole miss 1971, he was the franchise for a longtime. he was beat up bad on dreadful teams when there wasnt the qb protection rules like today. he would have been a prototype for today's game. deuce if he avoids injury and stays home might be the tops one day. willie roaf should be hall of fame. stan brock and jim dombrowski were both 1st rd quality ot's. george rogers had a good but brief career (even if he was picked ahead of lawrence taylor). chuck muncie, ken burrough, and wes chandler were all top players that were traded away. nods to wayne martin and joe johnson. when was the last time you said the name ironhead?

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