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WhoDat!656 10-15-2015 10:29 AM

NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father
 
The NFL fined the son of former New Orleans Saints running back Craig "Ironhead" Heyward for an in-game tribute to his late father, according to a message posted to Cameron Hayward's Twitter account.

Heyward, a defensive end for the Pittsburgh Steelers, played with the words "Iron" and "Head" written on a black strip below each eye as a tribute to his father, who died of brain cancer at age 39 in 2006.

The NFL fine for violating a rule against the display of personal messages on the field is $5,787, according to the league.

The apparent fine has occurred in the middle of a month during which the league offers the use of pink apparel as a show of support for breast cancer.

Heyward ran for 1,813 yards and 13 touchdowns in five seasons with the Saints from 1988 to 1992

NFL fines son of former Saints player Craig Heyward for tribute to his late father | NOLA.com

hagan714 10-15-2015 10:32 AM

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the NFL front office has run a muck and needs to be neutered

UK_WhoDat 10-15-2015 12:41 PM

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Shameful on NFL.

AsylumGuido 10-15-2015 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat (Post 675451)
Shameful on NFL.

Did you expect any else from the Goodell led league?

Rugby Saint II 10-15-2015 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 675456)
Did you expect any else from the Goodell led league?

Nope. Godhell did not disappoint the fans.:dunce:

saintsfan1976 10-15-2015 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 675460)
Nope. Godhell did not disappoint the fans.:dunce:

Or the sponsors paying his exorbitant salary.







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skymike 10-15-2015 04:32 PM

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stupid ruling.
Is it me, or would ONE WEEK of Breast Awareness be enough?

Crusader 10-15-2015 04:33 PM

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If you look at it in general, I Think the NFL is in the right in banning personal messages on the uniforms and/or player. Otherwise it would become a slippery slope and you would see messages against gay marriage, for abortions, against guns, for guns, a shout out to a side chick etc. They have to draw a line and sometimes, like this time, it sucks.

skymike 10-15-2015 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 675499)
If you look at it in general, I Think the NFL is in the right in banning personal messages on the uniforms and/or player. Otherwise it would become a slippery slope and you would see messages against gay marriage, for abortions, against guns, for guns, a shout out to a side chick etc. They have to draw a line and sometimes, like this time, it sucks.

I totally agree with this policy, especially about politics, but you should be able to pay homage to your own Dad, esp. when he was an NFL player.

Danno 10-15-2015 04:50 PM

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They didn't fine him for the tribute to his dad, they fined him because it's against the rules to write anything at all on your eyeblack

neugey 10-15-2015 06:19 PM

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F*** this! Do you see my avatar?!

Also they won't let DeAngelo wear pink outside of October.

No Feelings League

And didn't Reggie Bush used to wear 619 area code on his eyeblack?

WhoDat!656 10-19-2015 05:15 AM

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Prepare to be disgusted and enraged!

NFL won’t keep Cameron Heyward from playing with “Ironhead” eye black tribute | ProFootballTalk

SloMotion 10-19-2015 05:44 AM

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What a bunch of douchebags, ie the NFL Front Office. They won't keep him from playing but they're gonna' fine him $11k per week if he wants continue paying tribute to his Dad? This isn't Jim McMahon (CHI) and his stupid head scarfs or some player that wants to wear an outrageous piece of equipment. Come on!

RaginCajun83 10-19-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 675529)
F*** this! Do you see my avatar?!

Also they won't let DeAngelo wear pink outside of October.

No Feelings League

And didn't Reggie Bush used to wear 619 area code on his eyeblack?

its why DeAngelo dyed his hair pink and Bush hasn't done that since his days at USC

burningmetal 10-19-2015 01:04 PM

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Not only is it ridiculous not to let him honor his own dad, there shouldn't be any policy against writing on your eye black or anywhere else.

I say that knowing full well that some might write some pretty inflammatory things. It would probably be pretty annoying at times. But I don't know where the NFL gets off thinking it can control what people say. I just love how they want to treat it like this is some sort of suit and tie business. These players aren't salesmen.

The game grows itself. People want to watch football, and while they might not care for some things that players do, they don't let it affect how they enjoy the game. The league needs it's players. The players and the league need the fans. If anyone should be making decisions on what is offensive, it should be the fans.

The guys who think they run the league are nothing but puppets. No one really needs them. They aren't the talent. They aren't the product. Why do they care what players do? And why should anyone care what the NFL thinks? The whole system is a joke.

Danno 10-19-2015 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 676418)
Not only is it ridiculous not to let him honor his own dad, there shouldn't be any policy against writing on your eye black or anywhere else.

I say that knowing full well that some might write some pretty inflammatory things. It would probably be pretty annoying at times. But I don't know where the NFL gets off thinking it can control what people say.

Its a business, they can say anything they want. I for one have no problem with players being forced to adhere to the rules they agreed to.

saintfan 10-19-2015 01:09 PM

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They take the brand seriously. They should. Break the rule pay the fine. Simple simple. How much is it worth?

burningmetal 10-19-2015 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 676419)
Its a business, they can say anything they want. I for one have no problem with players being forced to adhere to the rules they agreed to.

The players are the business. The only reason you need a governing body to oversee the players, is to have rules for the game itself. Kind of like how we all have to follow the law. Players can't simply be allowed to cheat on the field, and we can't just go around committing crimes.

But beyond that, there is no need for all that other crap. It's a game. It's not about image. People tune in for the game. Neither Roger, nor anyone else in the league office is responsible for any growth of the game. They have made the game far worse for all the pathetic rules they've put in place. And yet fans keep coming in larger numbers.

For two simple reasons. People love football, and wouldn't know what to do without it. And fantasy football.The NFL isn't even the one who thought of fantasy football.

And I don't buy into the "adhere to the rules they agreed to" argument. You think Cameron Heyward agreed to that? He wasn't in the league the last time there were any negotiations. Most players have no say. The players union is all about compensation for it's players. They won't fight the league on outside issues if they can get their share of the money. Players go along with whatever they're told by the union, the majority of the time. That's the union's fault for caving, and it's the league's fault for even submitting such pointless ideas.

burningmetal 10-19-2015 01:37 PM

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I can't believe what some of you guys are saying. We bash the league for inconsistent "rules" on domestic violence and drugs, etc... We're all in agreement on those things. We hear the NFL talk about "protecting the shield". We crush them for turning the league into glorified flag football, with all the penalties.

Now a guy gets fined for trying to honor his dad, and you think it's justified, because those are the rules and that's it? Don't you have just a little bit of an issue with these rules? I sure as hell didn't vote for this circus of a government and all of the subsequent laws they have created, but others did. Should I just be ok with that, then?

Crusader 10-19-2015 02:36 PM

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So then a UPS driver or Mc Donalds clerk should be allowed to write whatever they want on their uniform or themselves while performing their job?

ScottF 10-19-2015 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 676423)
I can't believe what some of you guys are saying. We bash the league for inconsistent "rules" on domestic violence and drugs, etc... We're all in agreement on those things. We hear the NFL talk about "protecting the shield". We crush them for turning the league into glorified flag football, with all the penalties.

Now a guy gets fined for trying to honor his dad, and you think it's justified, because those are the rules and that's it? Don't you have just a little bit of an issue with these rules? I sure as hell didn't vote for this circus of a government and all of the subsequent laws they have created, but others did. Should I just be ok with that, then?

The NFL does not set rules arbitrarily. The Players Association agrees to every rule as well.
Yes, it started with the 'Rozelle' headband, but what if it had said Long Live ISIS, or Praise bin Laden? Extreme, but the same thing. No personal messages.

jeanpierre 10-19-2015 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 676420)
They take the brand seriously. They should. Break the rule pay the fine. Simple simple. How much is it worth?

So who collects the pound of flesh from Roger Goodell and Steve Bisciotti and Ozzie Newsome et al when they failed the "brand" or the "shield" their covering up and lying about knowledge of the Ray Rice B*tch Beatdown?!?

Danno 10-19-2015 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 676459)
The NFL does not set rules arbitrarily. The Players Association agrees to every rule as well.
Yes, it started with the 'Rozelle' headband, but what if it had said Long Live ISIS, or Praise bin Laden? Extreme, but the same thing. No personal messages.

End of discussion.

Cruize 10-19-2015 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 675508)
They didn't fine him for the tribute to his dad, they fined him because it's against the rules to write anything at all on your eyeblack

Simple as that. Don't like it. But, playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right. All rules and conduct are negotiated. It is what it is.

QBREES9 10-19-2015 08:34 PM

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Lighten Up NFL. Shame on you.

Thirty3 10-19-2015 09:56 PM

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Guessing that the tribute was worth the fine. less than 6 grand? A lot on many salaries = not an NFL player's.

burningmetal 10-19-2015 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 676428)
So then a UPS driver or Mc Donalds clerk should be allowed to write whatever they want on their uniform or themselves while performing their job?

Do Mcdonalds employees drive the company? Are they the reason people go to Mcdonalds? One more question... Are NFL players part of the service industry? I think you know the answer to all three. This is a players league, and the game is not about image. Any notion that it is, is horse crap in my opinion

Of all the corruption that goes on behind the scenes, they get to fine people over what is said on their eye black? Seems a tad hypocritical.

burningmetal 10-20-2015 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 676459)
The NFL does not set rules arbitrarily. The Players Association agrees to every rule as well.
Yes, it started with the 'Rozelle' headband, but what if it had said Long Live ISIS, or Praise bin Laden? Extreme, but the same thing. No personal messages.

Did you read my entire post before replying to it? Did I not bring up the players association? I know what the rules are and how they are set. The rules are idiotic, and that is the very point. Is that really difficult to understand?

The players association does not protect it's players from ignoramus rules, it only cares about money. Yet it fails in that category, because everyone is getting fined for stupid reasons.

I didn't ask you or anyone else in here IF or HOW the rules are what they are. It is pathetic that they would have a rule like this. And my first post in this thread was about what a joke the whole system is. When you stop and think of all the reasons the league is successful, it literally has nothing to do with league office and it's so called "brand".

When the players go on strike and use replacement players, how well does that brand stand up? You lose the talent you lose a great deal of fan interest. An employee at walmart needs his manager, because he can't provide the things the store needs. He doesn't have work without having something being provided his tasks. Players just need to play and get paid. The fans pay the tickets and the owners pay the players. What does the league do? The NFL does not provide it's "inventory", so to speak.

And by the way, the NFL does a lot of things arbitrarily. Just because they can, does not make it RIGHT. One more thing... While we're comparing the NFL to all other businesses, would walmart really fine someone if they had a tribute to someone who died on their face? Maybe they would do something if that person actually had something offensive written. Do you think maybe the NFL could use discretion instead of just fining any message at all? Players have the ability to talk, and say lots of dumb things. They don't get fined for saying anything about their dads, but they do if they criticize a ref or something. Should we tell them they can't talk now, in case someone says something offensive?

Crusader 10-20-2015 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 676508)
Do Mcdonalds employees drive the company? Are they the reason people go to Mcdonalds? One more question... Are NFL players part of the service industry? I think you know the answer to all three. This is a players league, and the game is not about image. Any notion that it is, is horse crap in my opinion

Of all the corruption that goes on behind the scenes, they get to fine people over what is said on their eye black? Seems a tad hypocritical.

You would like to think that its a players leuage but that is very far from the truth. You have a few players with staying power but the average career is about 2 years. I'm not calling that a players leauge. People root for the teams more than the players.

Service industry, entertainment industry, doen't matter. I could make the comaprison to the military or police department or any other organization or company that has a uniform regulation. You know what you sign up for, follow the rules or face the consequences.

SloMotion 10-20-2015 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 676428)
So then a UPS driver or Mc Donalds clerk should be allowed to write whatever they want on their uniform or themselves while performing their job?

:lol: ... just imagine the next time you get a package or order a Big Mac and the guy delivering the package or behind the counter is Rod Smart, former XFL player, and he has his old uniform placard across his back, :lol:.

The XFL, now there was a league for personal expression, :lol:.
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MaggieMayTB 10-20-2015 06:06 AM

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The fine sucks.
However, would we be discussing Brain Cancer or Cameron Heyward if Craig wasn't fined?

It is all about awareness.
Breast Cancer, Brain Cancer....

WhoDat!656 10-20-2015 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 676466)
End of discussion.

According to Coley Harvey of ESPN.com, former Bengals defensive tackle Devon Still said he wore eye-black messages reading “Leah Strong” all last season, as his way of recognizing his daughter during her battle with cancer.

“When I did it, I had no idea you weren’t allowed to do it,” Still said. “It was just something I wanted to do for my daughter to take her out on the field with me. I didn’t really get any backlash from the league.”


Devon Still said he was never fined for “Leah Strong” eye black | ProFootballTalk

AsylumGuido 10-20-2015 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 675498)
stupid ruling.
Is it me, or would ONE WEEK of Breast Awareness be enough?

I make sure I am aware of breasts 52 weeks a year.

AsylumGuido 10-20-2015 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 676366)
What a bunch of douchebags, ie the NFL Front Office. They won't keep him from playing but they're gonna' fine him $11k per week if he wants continue paying tribute to his Dad? This isn't Jim McMahon (CHI) and his stupid head scarfs or some player that wants to wear an outrageous piece of equipment. Come on!

One thing to note is that all fines go to charity and I believe the player has a say to which charity gets the "donation". I am hoping that he keeps this up and every donation goes to his cancer fund of choice.

SloMotion 10-20-2015 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 676582)
One thing to note is that all fines go to charity and I believe the player has a say to which charity gets the "donation". I am hoping that he keeps this up and every donation goes to his cancer fund of choice.

Oh, well in that case, fine away! :)

WhoDat!656 10-21-2015 05:44 AM

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Cam Heyward will no longer put ?Iron Head? on eye black | Yardbarker.com


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