RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone...

4DSaints · 02-14-2005, 09:01 PM

When ESPN\'s Chris Mortensen was recently asked about the possibility of the Saints moving to L.A., he believes that at this point the odds are 50-50!!!

Mort is usually pretty plugged in to more than just rumor mills and his odds should be taken very seriously.

I would be devestated if the Saints moved and would be hard pressed to support the team. It is a possibility because it\'s not about the fans or the city - sadly, it\'s all about biznes!

cardboardboxer · 02-14-2005, 09:51 PM

Benson sold his car dealerships and businesses many many years ago. All he owns and runs are the Saints.

Really....? Damn.

I didn\'t know that.

Now the only real hope is if Benson or the Governor were removed from the picture.

spkb25 · 02-14-2005, 10:05 PM

well i think its a hard thing to wish nothing more then that the gov. and benson would go away but i wouldnt expect it. the fact is we have to wait till both se whats best for both of them

ScottyRo · 02-14-2005, 11:27 PM

Benson sold his car dealerships and businesses many many years ago. All he owns and runs are the Saints.

He owns the VooDoo too, doesn\'t he? I\'m not from N.O. and don\'t make it that way much but I thought I heard he was going to start selling mercedes or something. Regardless, the sentiment is valid one way or the other.

Halo · 02-14-2005, 11:33 PM

Guys (and GumboBC too)

I heard this rumor in Columns Hotel on St. Charles avenue on Saturday before Mardi Gras while I was drinking a Bombay Sapphire Gin Martini. John\'s a great guy, he was the previous owner of blackandgold.net and was responsible for it\'s rebirth- I think of him like a mentor, he enabled me to take the site and run with it, otherwise you\'d be surfing a forum in HTML script designed in 1996, with one guy writing on the front page about how the Saints are a flawless organization.

Is this true? It may be. It may also be that people are trying to suit the Saints from LA. Personally, I don\'t think Benson\'s gonna sell a team because they thought he bought a yacht with his money. The money generated by the Saints in advertising and revenue through the hotel/motel tax only within New Orleans is a portion of that tax they (the Saints) generate themselves and Benson and the team are entitled to it. That will be revealed and is already known, if you think otherwise you\'ve allowed the press or the politicians and press in North Louisiana who are very jealous of New Orleans or the Saints to convince you otherwise. Tom Benson is entitled to use his money as he sees fit and I don\'t think he\'s going to sell the team over these threats.

I think he would sell the team for 1 billion dollars, which would be landmark and so much money that anyone would be stupid not to sell.

Is the rumor true? I don\'t think anyone claims this to be true. Remember it says, \"The rumor is spreading that owner Tom Benson has agreed to sell the Saints to an investment group in L.A. \" That doesn\'t say I heard he sold to an investment group or Times Picayune hears a sale in immenent.

In New Orleans this rumor is spreading around. But remember in 2002 there was rumor that Microsoft was going to build a headquarters in downtown New Orleans... years ago there was a rumor that the Minnesota Timberwolves were moving to New Orleans and it was a done deal... years ago there was a rumor that the New Orleans Saints were sold to a group of investors in Jacksonville Florida.... and so on.

As for internet trash, I LOVE INTERNET TRASH RUMORS!!! YOU DO TOO!!! We all do, that\'s what this site is all about. That\'s why I pump my own money into this sink hole site, I love all this. If the Saints were to be sold I\'d cry because blackandgold.net wouldn\'t be ticking the whole Saints organization off anymore and they me and Scott Balot and anyone else for that matter wouldn\'t be getting kick out of their media room!

You\'ve got to take this for what it\'s worth : A RUMOR!!

Anytime I read: \"Remember, you heard it here first\" -- I think... Get ready to read a RUMOR!!

Halo -- You know the dude .... what do you make of it? If I knew him ... I would tell you what I thought. Oh, and don\'t go scaring me with anymore of those \"shock\" posts!! :P

ScottyRo · 02-14-2005, 11:55 PM

The money generated by the Saints in advertising and revenue through the hotel/motel tax only within New Orleans is a portion of that tax they (the Saints) generate themselves and Benson and the team are entitled to it. That will be revealed and is already known, if you think otherwise you\'ve allowed the press or the politicians and press in North Louisiana who are very jealous of New Orleans or the Saints to convince you otherwise. Tom Benson is entitled to use his money as he sees fit and I don\'t think he\'s going to sell the team over these threats.

Was this portion italicised for emphasis or is it someone else\'s statement?

Basically the logical conclusion to the first part of the statement is that the Saints are entitled to the \"tax\" money and the State should only get what Benson wants the State to get since it is his after all. Pretty ridiculous. If this is the way it supposed to be shouldn\'t all businesses get similar breaks from the state. All businesses generate revenue to the State, right? This statement just seems like it is coming from someone who is willing at any cost to keep the Saints in La even if it were at a loss for the State.

See, if Benson had actually made good moves with this team and made them winners rather than the losers they have been, he wouldn\'t have to worry about being competitive financially. It\'s like this...if the team wins more, there\'s higher demand for tickets. Higher demand for tickets means he can charge a higher price. Even a simple $10 per ticket price escalation would net approximately $7 mil extra per season. However, add to that higher merchandise sales and such and who knows how much more that could be. The bottomline is that Benson wants this money so he can continue to be an inept owner while making the money he would have made otherwise had he not been so inept.

Lastly, I take exception to the so-called North Louisiana bias towards the Saints. I haven\'t read everything on this issue by far as it relates to politics, but what I have seen is generally complaints made from state legislators whose constituents are in the south portion of the state. This statement seems to be an attempt to deflect criticism of Benson and blame the blind, non-thinking followers of the evil politicians from the North. Yeah, that must be it.

Saint_LB · 02-15-2005, 01:14 AM

Nice post, Scotty. I assume that if this \"rumor\" actually does exist, then it would more than likely have been started by someone within Benson\'s group on direct orders from Benson himself.

Halo · 02-15-2005, 02:56 AM

Was this portion italicised for emphasis or is it someone else\'s statement?

It\'s my statement, I emphasiized it with italics to set apart my opinion.

the State should only get what Benson wants the State to get since it is his after all. Pretty ridiculous.

That\'s your opinion and I respect that, so please don\'t try to disrepect mine as \"pretty rediculous,\" I don\'t think much of yours but I know it exists.

Basically the logical conclusion to the first part of the statement is that the Saints are entitled to the \"tax\" money

Yeah, you know the money his team creates because it plays here in New Orleans and generates money because it increases travel and tourism dollars and jobs throughout the city and river region that the rest of the entire state does nothing to support but benefits from, a portion of that money is entitled to him.

I, like many, would more importantly see the money go exclusively to the City of New Orleans where it belongs. I don\'t think people outside the city should benefit from revenues created in New Orleans, especially the same people and politcians who regularly trash mouth the city in Baton Rouge only to turn around and hog as much of that money for their \"slush funds.\" That money belongs in the education system in New Orleans which desperately needs it and not to pave the roads in Bunkie or build a loop around Baton Rouge for that matter.

This statement just seems like it is coming from someone who is willing at any cost to keep the Saints in La even if it were at a loss for the State.

And that statement just seems like it comes from someone who wants all the profits to benefit his town or area and doesn\'t care if the organization is profitable on par with other NFL teams so they don\'t move. Sounds like someone could care less if the Saints remain in New Orleans or not.

See, if Benson had actually made good moves with this team and made them winners rather than the losers they have been, he wouldn\'t have to worry about being competitive financially. It\'s like this...if the team wins more, there\'s higher demand for tickets. Higher demand for tickets means he can charge a higher price. Even a simple $10 per ticket price escalation would net approximately $7 mil extra per season. However, add to that higher merchandise sales and such and who knows how much more that could be. The bottomline is that Benson wants this money so he can continue to be an inept owner while making the money he would have made otherwise had he not been so inept.

I agree with a lot of that, but unfortunately this isn\'t about the Saints being winners or losers, this is about trying to keep a viable business in the state of Louisiana. Incentives are given to Avondale each year, if Avondale builds a defective ship design this year that needs repair they are still entitled to their incentive package.

I take exception to the so-called North Louisiana bias towards the Saints.

Probably because you\'re from North Louisiana.

It\'s funny how I was there last week and spent hours with common folks who told me they could care less about the Saints or New Orleans, generally don\'t like the place and even one commented \"wish New Orleans would have been destroyed by the hurricane\"

boy that\'s real funny... ha ha, you gotta love our brothers up there... great ambassadors they are.

Truly I agree with you. I think the State should make a performance based package for the team, but they would also have to do that for every other business they attract to the State, including auto plants and chemical plants etc. and no business would go for it.

WhoDat · 02-15-2005, 09:39 AM

I heard this rumor in Columns Hotel on St. Charles avenue on Saturday before Mardi Gras while I was drinking a Bombay Sapphire Gin Martini.

Halo - how\'d I miss you? When were you there. I was at the same place doing the same thing on Saturday... then I rode in Okeanos on Sundy Morning. Fun.

GumboBC · 02-15-2005, 09:51 AM

Okay.....

I have been unbiased when it came to the Saints/State issue. I could see both sides and I think both of \'em had some valid points.

But, after reading Halo and Scotty\'s posts. I\'m going to have to agree with Halo. But, I do think Scotty has some valid points.

Qutoe by Halo:Yeah, you know the money his team creates because it plays here in New Orleans and generates money because it increases travel and tourism dollars and jobs throughout the city and river region that the rest of the entire state does nothing to support but benefits from, a portion of that money is entitled to him.

I brought up in a previous posts that it doens\'t work this way for other businesses. I used the casinos in Mississippi as an example. But, I agree with Halo. Casinos and football teams are different. Benson has to compete with other NFL owners who receive money from their states! Benson didn\'t set the rules, but he\'s got to play by them. And, like Halo said, the Saints generate a lot of money for New Orleans that wouldn\'t be there otherwise!!

I want the Saints to stay in New Orleans. Not at all costs. But if the State isn\'t losing money, then I\'m fine with it. Give Benson what it takes to compete.

02-14-2005, 09:01 PM	#11
4DSaints Registered Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 35	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... When ESPN\'s Chris Mortensen was recently asked about the possibility of the Saints moving to L.A., he believes that at this point the odds are 50-50!!! Mort is usually pretty plugged in to more than just rumor mills and his odds should be taken very seriously. I would be devestated if the Saints moved and would be hard pressed to support the team. It is a possibility because it\'s not about the fans or the city - sadly, it\'s all about biznes!
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02-14-2005, 09:51 PM	#12
cardboardboxer Registered Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 65	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... Benson sold his car dealerships and businesses many many years ago. All he owns and runs are the Saints. Really....? Damn. I didn\'t know that. Now the only real hope is if Benson or the Governor were removed from the picture.
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02-14-2005, 10:05 PM	#13
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... well i think its a hard thing to wish nothing more then that the gov. and benson would go away but i wouldnt expect it. the fact is we have to wait till both se whats best for both of them

02-14-2005, 11:27 PM	#14
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... Benson sold his car dealerships and businesses many many years ago. All he owns and runs are the Saints. He owns the VooDoo too, doesn\'t he? I\'m not from N.O. and don\'t make it that way much but I thought I heard he was going to start selling mercedes or something. Regardless, the sentiment is valid one way or the other.

02-14-2005, 11:33 PM	#15
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... Guys (and GumboBC too) I heard this rumor in Columns Hotel on St. Charles avenue on Saturday before Mardi Gras while I was drinking a Bombay Sapphire Gin Martini. John\'s a great guy, he was the previous owner of blackandgold.net and was responsible for it\'s rebirth- I think of him like a mentor, he enabled me to take the site and run with it, otherwise you\'d be surfing a forum in HTML script designed in 1996, with one guy writing on the front page about how the Saints are a flawless organization. Is this true? It may be. It may also be that people are trying to suit the Saints from LA. Personally, I don\'t think Benson\'s gonna sell a team because they thought he bought a yacht with his money. The money generated by the Saints in advertising and revenue through the hotel/motel tax only within New Orleans is a portion of that tax they (the Saints) generate themselves and Benson and the team are entitled to it. That will be revealed and is already known, if you think otherwise you\'ve allowed the press or the politicians and press in North Louisiana who are very jealous of New Orleans or the Saints to convince you otherwise. Tom Benson is entitled to use his money as he sees fit and I don\'t think he\'s going to sell the team over these threats. I think he would sell the team for 1 billion dollars, which would be landmark and so much money that anyone would be stupid not to sell. Is the rumor true? I don\'t think anyone claims this to be true. Remember it says, *\"The rumor is spreading that owner Tom Benson has agreed to sell the Saints to an investment group in L.A. \"* That doesn\'t say I heard he sold to an investment group or Times Picayune hears a sale in immenent. In New Orleans this rumor is spreading around. But remember in 2002 there was rumor that Microsoft was going to build a headquarters in downtown New Orleans... years ago there was a rumor that the Minnesota Timberwolves were moving to New Orleans and it was a done deal... years ago there was a rumor that the New Orleans Saints were sold to a group of investors in Jacksonville Florida.... and so on. As for internet trash, I LOVE INTERNET TRASH RUMORS!!! YOU DO TOO!!! We all do, that\'s what this site is all about. That\'s why I pump my own money into this sink hole site, I love all this. If the Saints were to be sold I\'d cry because blackandgold.net wouldn\'t be ticking the whole Saints organization off anymore and they me and Scott Balot and anyone else for that matter wouldn\'t be getting kick out of their media room! You\'ve got to take this for what it\'s worth : A RUMOR!! Anytime I read: \"Remember, you heard it here first\" -- I think... Get ready to read a RUMOR!! Halo -- You know the dude .... what do you make of it? If I knew him ... I would tell you what I thought. Oh, and don\'t go scaring me with anymore of those \"shock\" posts!! :P
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02-14-2005, 11:55 PM	#16
ScottyRo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Williamsburg, VA (ugh, the food here) Posts: 1,704	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... The money generated by the Saints in advertising and revenue through the hotel/motel tax only within New Orleans is a portion of that tax they (the Saints) generate themselves and Benson and the team are entitled to it. That will be revealed and is already known, if you think otherwise you\'ve allowed the press or the politicians and press in North Louisiana who are very jealous of New Orleans or the Saints to convince you otherwise. Tom Benson is entitled to use his money as he sees fit and I don\'t think he\'s going to sell the team over these threats. Was this portion italicised for emphasis or is it someone else\'s statement? Basically the logical conclusion to the first part of the statement is that the Saints are entitled to the \"tax\" money and the State should only get what Benson wants the State to get since it is his after all. Pretty ridiculous. If this is the way it supposed to be shouldn\'t all businesses get similar breaks from the state. All businesses generate revenue to the State, right? This statement just seems like it is coming from someone who is willing at any cost to keep the Saints in La even if it were at a loss for the State. See, if Benson had actually made good moves with this team and made them winners rather than the losers they have been, he wouldn\'t have to worry about being competitive financially. It\'s like this...if the team wins more, there\'s higher demand for tickets. Higher demand for tickets means he can charge a higher price. Even a simple $10 per ticket price escalation would net approximately $7 mil extra per season. However, add to that higher merchandise sales and such and who knows how much more that could be. The bottomline is that Benson wants this money so he can continue to be an inept owner while making the money he would have made otherwise had he not been so inept. Lastly, I take exception to the so-called North Louisiana bias towards the Saints. I haven\'t read everything on this issue by far as it relates to politics, but what I have seen is generally complaints made from state legislators whose constituents are in the south portion of the state. This statement seems to be an attempt to deflect criticism of Benson and blame the blind, non-thinking followers of the evil politicians from the North. Yeah, that must be it.

02-15-2005, 01:14 AM	#17
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... Nice post, Scotty. I assume that if this \"rumor\" actually does exist, then it would more than likely have been started by someone within Benson\'s group on direct orders from Benson himself.
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02-15-2005, 02:56 AM	#18
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,605 Blog Entries: 45	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... Was this portion italicised for emphasis or is it someone else\'s statement? It\'s my statement, I emphasiized it with italics to set apart my opinion. the State should only get what Benson wants the State to get since it is his after all. Pretty ridiculous. That\'s your opinion and I respect that, so please don\'t try to disrepect mine as \"pretty rediculous,\" I don\'t think much of yours but I know it exists. Basically the logical conclusion to the first part of the statement is that the Saints are entitled to the \"tax\" money Yeah, you know the money his team creates because it plays here in New Orleans and generates money because it increases travel and tourism dollars and jobs throughout the city and river region that the rest of the entire state does nothing to support but benefits from, a portion of that money is entitled to him. I, like many, would more importantly see the money go exclusively to the City of New Orleans where it belongs. I don\'t think people outside the city should benefit from revenues created in New Orleans, especially the same people and politcians who regularly trash mouth the city in Baton Rouge only to turn around and hog as much of that money for their \"slush funds.\" That money belongs in the education system in New Orleans which desperately needs it and not to pave the roads in Bunkie or build a loop around Baton Rouge for that matter. This statement just seems like it is coming from someone who is willing at any cost to keep the Saints in La even if it were at a loss for the State. And that statement just seems like it comes from someone who wants all the profits to benefit his town or area and doesn\'t care if the organization is profitable on par with other NFL teams so they don\'t move. Sounds like someone could care less if the Saints remain in New Orleans or not. See, if Benson had actually made good moves with this team and made them winners rather than the losers they have been, he wouldn\'t have to worry about being competitive financially. It\'s like this...if the team wins more, there\'s higher demand for tickets. Higher demand for tickets means he can charge a higher price. Even a simple $10 per ticket price escalation would net approximately $7 mil extra per season. However, add to that higher merchandise sales and such and who knows how much more that could be. The bottomline is that Benson wants this money so he can continue to be an inept owner while making the money he would have made otherwise had he not been so inept. I agree with a lot of that, but unfortunately this isn\'t about the Saints being winners or losers, this is about trying to keep a viable business in the state of Louisiana. Incentives are given to Avondale each year, if Avondale builds a defective ship design this year that needs repair they are still entitled to their incentive package. I take exception to the so-called North Louisiana bias towards the Saints. Probably because you\'re from North Louisiana. It\'s funny how I was there last week and spent hours with common folks who told me they could care less about the Saints or New Orleans, generally don\'t like the place and even one commented \"wish New Orleans would have been destroyed by the hurricane\" boy that\'s real funny... ha ha, you gotta love our brothers up there... great ambassadors they are. Truly I agree with you. I think the State should make a performance based package for the team, but they would also have to do that for every other business they attract to the State, including auto plants and chemical plants etc. and no business would go for it.
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02-15-2005, 09:39 AM	#19
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... I heard this rumor in Columns Hotel on St. Charles avenue on Saturday before Mardi Gras while I was drinking a Bombay Sapphire Gin Martini. Halo - how\'d I miss you? When were you there. I was at the same place doing the same thing on Saturday... then I rode in Okeanos on Sundy Morning. Fun.
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02-15-2005, 09:51 AM	#20
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	RUMOR: Get your trash from the net-Saints as good as gone... Okay..... I have been unbiased when it came to the Saints/State issue. I could see both sides and I think both of \'em had some valid points. But, after reading Halo and Scotty\'s posts. I\'m going to have to agree with Halo. But, I do think Scotty has some valid points. Qutoe by Halo:Yeah, you know the money his team creates because it plays here in New Orleans and generates money because it increases travel and tourism dollars and jobs throughout the city and river region that the rest of the entire state does nothing to support but benefits from, a portion of that money is entitled to him. I brought up in a previous posts that it doens\'t work this way for other businesses. I used the casinos in Mississippi as an example. But, I agree with Halo. Casinos and football teams are different. Benson has to compete with other NFL owners who receive money from their states! Benson didn\'t set the rules, but he\'s got to play by them. And, like Halo said, the Saints generate a lot of money for New Orleans that wouldn\'t be there otherwise!! I want the Saints to stay in New Orleans. Not at all costs. But if the State isn\'t losing money, then I\'m fine with it. Give Benson what it takes to compete.
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