Our Defense

blackangold · 10-16-2015, 08:18 AM

Breaux might be the best CB we have had in a long time. Just from what we have seen I would say he is already better than Lewis. He and lewis should start with swann as the NB. Browner needs to be religated to special assignments or converted to a SS.

K Major · 10-16-2015, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Breaux might be the best CB we have had in a long time. Just from what we have seen I would say he is already better than Lewis. He and lewis should start with swann as the NB. Browner needs to be religated to special assignments or converted to a SS.

Did you notice the 2nd half adjustments the Big Lebowski made on coverages? Breaux played man most of the 3rd/4th quarter & Julio was mostly a non factor. He is getting better each week.

I'd said this before but teams better get us THIS YEAR. I see a lot of promise at the cornerback, DE & LB positions. Don't forget PJ Williams will be back next year

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jlouhill · 10-16-2015, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Did you notice the 2nd half adjustments the Big Lebowski made on coverages? Breaux played man most of the 3rd/4th quarter & Julio was mostly a non factor. He is getting better each week.

I'd said this before but teams better get us THIS YEAR. I see a lot of promise at the cornerback, DE & LB positions. Don't forget PJ Williams will be back next year .

My thoughts exactly. I'm not so concerned with making the playoffs this year as I am seeing the team improve from week to week. A lot of youngsters out there and they seem to be getting better as time goes by. I see a much improved team over the next year or two. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

jeg12181 · 10-17-2015, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Breaux might be the best CB we have had in a long time. Just from what we have seen I would say he is already better than Lewis. He and lewis should start with swann as the NB. Browner needs to be religated to special assignments or converted to a SS.

Dude, so f'n right.

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hagan714 · 10-16-2015, 08:50 AM

a win is win no matter how you get it

breakout defense? nope not going there

breakout performance by a few players? yep

we still have a long way to go.
150 rushing
263 passing

total of 413

but if the falclowns want to gift wrap a win I will take it. we did it more than once this year so it is a bout time the ball bounced our way.

But what the heck I be very very happy today

CharityMike · 10-16-2015, 09:09 AM

Yeah the yardage is worrisome on one hand but the other hand says "scoreboard". The yardage is irrelevant if the opposing team can't put up points.

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Cruize · 10-16-2015, 09:29 AM

When the Saints don't turn the ball over, they are competitive.

lumm0x · 10-16-2015, 09:38 AM

Exceptional night of play by Jordan, Ellerbe, and Breaux. Other guys like K. Williams, Browner and Kikaha has solid efforts. Maybe it's just me but I didn't see much of Byrd or Vaccaro unless it was half hearted efforts on tackles. Perhaps they were helping foil the downfield passing game and they were effective by escaping direct play notice.

I thought it was one of Anthony's worst games. He got washed in a lot of runs and had some poor tackling technique. Jenkins showed good effort but his technique is real sloppy. Ellerbe is a massive upgrade from Hawthorne. I hope he returns quick.

Yardage was a concern but like Rob Ryan said, pieces are positioning where you can see improvement at times. There is enough talent to be a middle of the pack defense and not a bottom feeder.

A whole lot of future promise in the secondary with Breaux, Swann and someday PJ Williams part of the mix.

blackangold · 10-16-2015, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

Exceptional night of play by Jordan, Ellerbe, and Breaux. Other guys like K. Williams, Browner and Kikaha has solid efforts. Maybe it's just me but I didn't see much of Byrd or Vaccaro unless it was half hearted efforts on tackles. Perhaps they were helping foil the downfield passing game and they were effective by escaping direct play notice.

Typically a Safety is doing his job well if he/they are not noticed in the game. The safety coverage over the top was good because it forced Ryan to hold the ball longer than normal which lead to more sacks.

The yardage numbers do suck, however a lot of that came in junk time. I think it's important to remember ATL was arguably the best offense coming in to this game and our D played well enough. We are still lacking the consistency to be great but you can see flashes occasionally.

burningmetal · 10-16-2015, 11:43 AM

265 of those yards came in the first half. It was not good. You could see the DB's were playing up much closer in the second half, which eliminated a lot of the easy throws, and from there Julio and Roddy weren't able to beat our corners deep.

I have always hated zone coverage's and all the other "scheme's" that not only we play, but so many teams nowadays are doing. Everyone is afraid to get beat deep, so they think it's ok to slowly bleed to death. At least if you give up quick drives, you might not be as tired throughout the game. You can only make zone kind of work if you have a dominant front 7. We do not. And even those who do, still should not be playing zone unless it's third and long.

That adjustment in the second half just highlighted the reason why Rob is so frustrating. What took him so long to figure it out? I don't know how many games this team can win, but you have to be aggressive if you hope to have a chance.

10-16-2015, 08:18 AM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Our Defense Breaux might be the best CB we have had in a long time. Just from what we have seen I would say he is already better than Lewis. He and lewis should start with swann as the NB. Browner needs to be religated to special assignments or converted to a SS. lumm0x, nola_swammi and ctsaint01 like this.

10-16-2015, 08:25 AM	#2
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by blackangold Breaux might be the best CB we have had in a long time. Just from what we have seen I would say he is already better than Lewis. He and lewis should start with swann as the NB. Browner needs to be religated to special assignments or converted to a SS. Did you notice the 2nd half adjustments the Big Lebowski made on coverages? Breaux played man most of the 3rd/4th quarter & Julio was mostly a non factor. He is getting better each week. I'd said this before but teams better get us THIS YEAR. I see a lot of promise at the cornerback, DE & LB positions. Don't forget PJ Williams will be back next year .

10-16-2015, 08:38 AM	#3
jlouhill 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Denton, Tx. Posts: 692	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by K Major Did you notice the 2nd half adjustments the Big Lebowski made on coverages? Breaux played man most of the 3rd/4th quarter & Julio was mostly a non factor. He is getting better each week. I'd said this before but teams better get us THIS YEAR. I see a lot of promise at the cornerback, DE & LB positions. Don't forget PJ Williams will be back next year . My thoughts exactly. I'm not so concerned with making the playoffs this year as I am seeing the team improve from week to week. A lot of youngsters out there and they seem to be getting better as time goes by. I see a much improved team over the next year or two. Especially on the defensive side of the ball. frydaddy, K Major and ctsaint01 like this.

10-17-2015, 12:24 AM	#4
jeg12181 Rookie Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 11	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by blackangold Breaux might be the best CB we have had in a long time. Just from what we have seen I would say he is already better than Lewis. He and lewis should start with swann as the NB. Browner needs to be religated to special assignments or converted to a SS. Dude, so f'n right. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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10-16-2015, 08:50 AM	#5
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Our Defense a win is win no matter how you get it breakout defense? nope not going there breakout performance by a few players? yep we still have a long way to go. 150 rushing 263 passing total of 413 but if the falclowns want to gift wrap a win I will take it. we did it more than once this year so it is a bout time the ball bounced our way. But what the heck I be very very happy today RailBoss and Barry from MS like this.

10-16-2015, 09:09 AM	#6
CharityMike Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Mid City, New Orleans Posts: 3,556	Re: Our Defense Yeah the yardage is worrisome on one hand but the other hand says "scoreboard". The yardage is irrelevant if the opposing team can't put up points. Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk hagan714, Barry from MS, captainshawn and 1 others like this.

10-16-2015, 09:29 AM	#7
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: Our Defense When the Saints don't turn the ball over, they are competitive. SaintsBro likes this.
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10-16-2015, 09:38 AM	#8
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Our Defense Exceptional night of play by Jordan, Ellerbe, and Breaux. Other guys like K. Williams, Browner and Kikaha has solid efforts. Maybe it's just me but I didn't see much of Byrd or Vaccaro unless it was half hearted efforts on tackles. Perhaps they were helping foil the downfield passing game and they were effective by escaping direct play notice. I thought it was one of Anthony's worst games. He got washed in a lot of runs and had some poor tackling technique. Jenkins showed good effort but his technique is real sloppy. Ellerbe is a massive upgrade from Hawthorne. I hope he returns quick. Yardage was a concern but like Rob Ryan said, pieces are positioning where you can see improvement at times. There is enough talent to be a middle of the pack defense and not a bottom feeder. A whole lot of future promise in the secondary with Breaux, Swann and someday PJ Williams part of the mix. halloween 65 likes this.

10-16-2015, 11:09 AM	#9
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Our Defense Originally Posted by lumm0x Exceptional night of play by Jordan, Ellerbe, and Breaux. Other guys like K. Williams, Browner and Kikaha has solid efforts. Maybe it's just me but I didn't see much of Byrd or Vaccaro unless it was half hearted efforts on tackles. Perhaps they were helping foil the downfield passing game and they were effective by escaping direct play notice. Typically a Safety is doing his job well if he/they are not noticed in the game. The safety coverage over the top was good because it forced Ryan to hold the ball longer than normal which lead to more sacks. The yardage numbers do suck, however a lot of that came in junk time. I think it's important to remember ATL was arguably the best offense coming in to this game and our D played well enough. We are still lacking the consistency to be great but you can see flashes occasionally.

10-16-2015, 11:43 AM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Our Defense 265 of those yards came in the first half. It was not good. You could see the DB's were playing up much closer in the second half, which eliminated a lot of the easy throws, and from there Julio and Roddy weren't able to beat our corners deep. I have always hated zone coverage's and all the other "scheme's" that not only we play, but so many teams nowadays are doing. Everyone is afraid to get beat deep, so they think it's ok to slowly bleed to death. At least if you give up quick drives, you might not be as tired throughout the game. You can only make zone kind of work if you have a dominant front 7. We do not. And even those who do, still should not be playing zone unless it's third and long. That adjustment in the second half just highlighted the reason why Rob is so frustrating. What took him so long to figure it out? I don't know how many games this team can win, but you have to be aggressive if you hope to have a chance.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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