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CharityMike 10-15-2015 11:43 PM

Our Defense
 
Finally came to play. Good job and I don't think Browner had a penalty tonight, thats a miracle in itself.

dizzle88 10-15-2015 11:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 675749)
Finally came to play. Good job and I don't think Browner had a penalty tonight, thats a miracle in itself.

I don't think Breaux had one either!!

Lord_Saint83 10-15-2015 11:46 PM

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Breaux did good against Julio I thought

CharityMike 10-15-2015 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 675751)
I don't think Breaux had one either!!

Nope, he didn't. Hell, he was even playing the ball tonight. That bomb to Julio would have been a penalty any other time because he has not been turning his head. Hopefully he is learning and continues to improve.

dizzle88 10-15-2015 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 675755)
Breaux did good against Julio I thought

Definitely agree.

A few weeks ago everyone was crowning Julio as the best receiver in the league
Breaux completely took him out of the game.

nola_swammi 10-15-2015 11:57 PM

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Every non contested catch Julio caught, I was like why they place Breaux in zone coverage. Breaux need to start catching those near interception, my count he had 2 drops. Overall he played a great game.

Browner need to play zone cause anything over 15 yards he getting burned. When swann comeback browner snap count should drop

CharityMike 10-16-2015 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 675762)
Every non contested catch Julio caught, I was like why they place Breaux in zone coverage. Breaux need to start catching those near interception, my count he had 2 drops. Overall he played a great game.

Browner need to play zone cause anything over 15 yards he getting burned. When swann comeback browner snap count should drop

They were getting him with the quick slants. Browner is to slow to do anything against that. They clowns were doing nothing but quick slants for one of there drives and it was killing us. Thank god they stopped..lol

nola_swammi 10-16-2015 12:08 AM

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How the defense played at the end I think the beast has awaken. Kikaha and Jordan was unblock-able

WHODATINCA 10-16-2015 12:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 675755)
Breaux did good against Julio I thought

I thought he was stellar against arguably the best WR in the league. Also, Ellerbe and Kikaha played exceptionally well.

The pressure on Matty Lice was scary. Skid Britches made an appearance.

nola_swammi 10-16-2015 12:21 AM

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beginning of the game scared me that Lewis and browner were listed as the starters. I thought for sure they were gonna play Lewis or browner over Julio. Lewis have enough speed and experience to play Julio but not the physicality. Browner have the physicality but not the speed to stay with him. Breaux have the physicality and the speed just not the experience, he got that tonight and he gonna be a younger version of darrelle Revis. We have a shutdown corner

nola_swammi 10-16-2015 12:23 AM

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I must eat crow on ellerbe cause I didn't think he was worth the trade with Miami, the guy is a beast

RailBoss 10-16-2015 12:23 AM

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I thought Julio was hurt and wasn't going to play. Just glad Tony Gonzalez
retired doesn't look like they have found a replacement for him.

CharityMike 10-16-2015 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nola_swammi (Post 675772)
I must eat crow on ellerbe cause I didn't think he was worth the trade with Miami, the guy is a beast

Unfortunately the guy is made of tissue paper. He had to leave the game because he pulled his groin. He was super pissed about it to. Hopefully its nothing serious, the guy has the skills to be very good.

nola_swammi 10-16-2015 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 675775)
Unfortunately the guy is made of tissue paper. He had to leave the game because he pulled his groin. He was super pissed about it to. Hopefully its nothing serious, the guy has the skills to be very good.

A www dayum, I was on such a high, I hope since this gonna be a long week he recuperate to play the same level he played in this game at indy

frydaddy 10-16-2015 01:00 AM

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Any Breaux doubters still out there?....anybody?...no? Didn't think so. This guy is the 100% real deal folks. And he's only a rookie to this league. He isn't perfect all the time and he catches a lot of undue flack when he makes a mistake, but if he were any other "traditional" rookie no one would even bat an eye at it. Meanwhile he just gets better and better with every week that passes. We got unbelievably lucky to have snatched him up before someone else did. Can't wait to see what he's gonna be like when he really masters playing DB in the NFL.

dizzle88 10-16-2015 04:34 AM

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Michael Irvin finally got something right;

The Falcons didn't do it themselves, the Saints forced all those errors!

SaintFanQ 10-16-2015 05:20 AM

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Pre-game, RR said that defence was "That close" to having a breakout performance, looks like he was right, at least for tonights game.

Hope this continues for the rest of the season!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

darstep 10-16-2015 05:38 AM

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Coverage was better because pressure was better.
Their running game gaped us.
Freeman averaged 9 and Coleman averaged 10. That's terrible.
The turnovers got us over. Glad for it.
Breaux played well. Even made a play on the ball; a couple of plays on the ball.
I guess Ryan heard me and threw the cat fighting strategy out the window.
Great win!
Dallas and Atlanta...Can't think of a better 2 to win.

Crusader 10-16-2015 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 675808)
Coverage was better because pressure was better.
Their running game gaped us.
Freeman averaged 9 and Coleman averaged 10. That's terrible.
The turnovers got us over. Glad for it.
Breaux played well. Even made a play on the ball; a couple of plays on the ball.
I guess Ryan heard me and threw the cat fighting strategy out the window.
Great win!
Dallas and Atlanta...Can't think of a better 2 to win.

I have not watched the game yet so I can't comment on any specifics. But it goes to show how important the turnover battle is. Last week we had 2 picks but fumbled away the ball 3 times.
Its really hard to win ballgames when you turn the ball over.

MatthewT 10-16-2015 06:45 AM

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Seriously, if Breaux continues to improve, I think we are seeing the making of an elite all pro corner.

burningmetal 10-16-2015 06:54 AM

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Yeah the defense didn't really look very good in the first half. The two turnovers were a huge help, but one of them was a butt fumble by the center.

The second half was a completely different story. The pressure suddenly showed up for the first time all season, and it looked like our DB's were playing up closer. Those throws in the middle of the field where no defenders could even be seen against the Eagles, I was seeing a lot of bodies around the ball this time.

That's what's been so frustrating to watch. It always looks like they're trying to trick people out there, and they end up fooling themselves instead. It seemed like coming off of a butt kicking finally convinced this staff to just play a little more straight up and make the quarterback have to actually look downfield.

Breaux, the last two games, has learned to turn his head. He aggravated the crap out of me the first few weeks when all he seemed to do was just lock on to the WR and not make any sort of play on the ball. That's not what people mean when they say lock down corner.

It makes all the difference in the world when you actually know where the ball is, and he's playing very well now.

burningmetal 10-16-2015 06:58 AM

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We definitely can't stop the run with any consistency, still. The big lead kept the Falcons from trying it as much, but when they did, it wasn't very pretty. That's got to be shored up.

K Major 10-16-2015 07:06 AM

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I'm ecstatic about the win but we still have tons of work to do on D.

darstep 10-16-2015 08:02 AM

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Ellerbe had 13 tackles and 1 assist.
Those are Vilma like numbers.
Good game for Ellerbe.
Hope he's OK.

dizzle88 10-16-2015 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by darstep (Post 675840)
Ellerbe had 13 tackles and 1 assist.
Those are Vilma like numbers.
Good game for Ellerbe.
Hope he's OK.

With a forced fumble and a fumble recovery too!

burningmetal 10-16-2015 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 675849)
With a forces fumble and a fumble recovery too!

I had actually managed to forget we had him until last week. We were all waiting on Byrd and Lewis, as well as Spiller for a short time, to get back. Wasn't even thinking about Ellerbe.

I hope last night wasn't a mirage for him.

K Major 10-16-2015 08:18 AM

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I thought Cam Jordan played extremely well last night.

blackangold 10-16-2015 08:18 AM

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Breaux might be the best CB we have had in a long time. Just from what we have seen I would say he is already better than Lewis. He and lewis should start with swann as the NB. Browner needs to be religated to special assignments or converted to a SS.

K Major 10-16-2015 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 675853)
Breaux might be the best CB we have had in a long time. Just from what we have seen I would say he is already better than Lewis. He and lewis should start with swann as the NB. Browner needs to be religated to special assignments or converted to a SS.

Did you notice the 2nd half adjustments the Big Lebowski made on coverages? Breaux played man most of the 3rd/4th quarter & Julio was mostly a non factor. He is getting better each week.

I'd said this before but teams better get us THIS YEAR. I see a lot of promise at the cornerback, DE & LB positions. Don't forget PJ Williams will be back next year :bng:.

burningmetal 10-16-2015 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 675852)
I thought Cam Jordan played extremely well last night.

He did. That was by far the best performance of his career.

darstep 10-16-2015 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 675852)
I thought Cam Jordan played extremely well last night.

Over persued on a couble of runs but that can be easily adjusted.
Good night for Jordan.

jlouhill 10-16-2015 08:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 675858)
Did you notice the 2nd half adjustments the Big Lebowski made on coverages? Breaux played man most of the 3rd/4th quarter & Julio was mostly a non factor. He is getting better each week.

I'd said this before but teams better get us THIS YEAR. I see a lot of promise at the cornerback, DE & LB positions. Don't forget PJ Williams will be back next year :bng:.

My thoughts exactly. I'm not so concerned with making the playoffs this year as I am seeing the team improve from week to week. A lot of youngsters out there and they seem to be getting better as time goes by. I see a much improved team over the next year or two. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

hagan714 10-16-2015 08:50 AM

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a win is win no matter how you get it

breakout defense? nope not going there

breakout performance by a few players? yep

we still have a long way to go.
150 rushing
263 passing

total of 413

but if the falclowns want to gift wrap a win I will take it. we did it more than once this year so it is a bout time the ball bounced our way.

But what the heck I be very very happy today

CharityMike 10-16-2015 09:09 AM

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Yeah the yardage is worrisome on one hand but the other hand says "scoreboard". The yardage is irrelevant if the opposing team can't put up points.

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Cruize 10-16-2015 09:29 AM

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When the Saints don't turn the ball over, they are competitive.

lumm0x 10-16-2015 09:38 AM

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Exceptional night of play by Jordan, Ellerbe, and Breaux. Other guys like K. Williams, Browner and Kikaha has solid efforts. Maybe it's just me but I didn't see much of Byrd or Vaccaro unless it was half hearted efforts on tackles. Perhaps they were helping foil the downfield passing game and they were effective by escaping direct play notice.

I thought it was one of Anthony's worst games. He got washed in a lot of runs and had some poor tackling technique. Jenkins showed good effort but his technique is real sloppy. Ellerbe is a massive upgrade from Hawthorne. I hope he returns quick.

Yardage was a concern but like Rob Ryan said, pieces are positioning where you can see improvement at times. There is enough talent to be a middle of the pack defense and not a bottom feeder.

A whole lot of future promise in the secondary with Breaux, Swann and someday PJ Williams part of the mix.

jeg12181 10-16-2015 10:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 675794)
Michael Irvin finally got something right;

The Falcons didn't do it themselves, the Saints forced all those errors!


Yea, I even heard Vaccarro was sending telekinetic messages to their center to force him to snap the ball into his own leg.

Seriously, though, great defensive performance. Reminded me of our opportunistic '09 def. Breaux is the sh**


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blackangold 10-16-2015 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 675891)
Exceptional night of play by Jordan, Ellerbe, and Breaux. Other guys like K. Williams, Browner and Kikaha has solid efforts. Maybe it's just me but I didn't see much of Byrd or Vaccaro unless it was half hearted efforts on tackles. Perhaps they were helping foil the downfield passing game and they were effective by escaping direct play notice.

Typically a Safety is doing his job well if he/they are not noticed in the game. The safety coverage over the top was good because it forced Ryan to hold the ball longer than normal which lead to more sacks.

The yardage numbers do suck, however a lot of that came in junk time. I think it's important to remember ATL was arguably the best offense coming in to this game and our D played well enough. We are still lacking the consistency to be great but you can see flashes occasionally.

burningmetal 10-16-2015 11:43 AM

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265 of those yards came in the first half. It was not good. You could see the DB's were playing up much closer in the second half, which eliminated a lot of the easy throws, and from there Julio and Roddy weren't able to beat our corners deep.

I have always hated zone coverage's and all the other "scheme's" that not only we play, but so many teams nowadays are doing. Everyone is afraid to get beat deep, so they think it's ok to slowly bleed to death. At least if you give up quick drives, you might not be as tired throughout the game. You can only make zone kind of work if you have a dominant front 7. We do not. And even those who do, still should not be playing zone unless it's third and long.

That adjustment in the second half just highlighted the reason why Rob is so frustrating. What took him so long to figure it out? I don't know how many games this team can win, but you have to be aggressive if you hope to have a chance.


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