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I don't think he is gonna get the job done. What can we do?

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Get rid of Ingram also. Package them.

Ingram is VERY FRUSTRATING, as was the inaccuracy of Hocker.

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Yep adding another 4ml in dead money to trade Ingram is a great idea

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I'd understand if we played in blustery conditions, but it's a mother f'in Dome!!!

Of course all kickers miss from time to time, but this guy is just bringing us down.

I thought from the start Hopkins should have got the job, he didn't miss all training camp!

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Why the bashing on Ingram? Our offensive line was poor in the run game so surely you're not putting all of our running woes on him. His second touchdown may have been a short one but he fought hard for those six points! I understand some of you out there aren't too keen on him but cut the guy a bit of slack. We gave Brees good protection but surely you can't deny their ineffective efforts for the run game.

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Get the ball closer to the goal line, :neutral:. It was a good win, :).

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Don't trade anyone. This team needs time together to become successful and if you change it in midstream you will crush the momentum.

Coach has a vision when he turned over 60% of our roster and they kept the players they wanted and let go the trouble makers (Graham).

WHO DAT!

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Not sure why people are calling for Ingram to be gone?

Ingram ran hard for us tonight! He never gave up, churning his legs to make sure he got in the endzone!

Get the guy some decent blocking and protection, he would soon rack up the yards!!!

Not sure about Hocker though! I guess its a "Watch this space scenario"!

I bet SP had a few choice words with him during and after the game!!!

You really should be able to make those kind of kicks in the Dome!!

GEAUX SAINTS!!!!

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Hocker......bye time to look into life after football

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We will see kickers again in camp.
He didn't miss by much.
Problem is: a miss is a miss.
The 3's add up and for some games we will need them all.
We roll the same dice even if a new guy is lining them up.
The skillet or the frying pan?

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I am sure the Saints will be looking at kickers again. The one advantage Hocker still has is his kickoffs. I doubt Morstead will be able to kickoff anytime soon. Question is who is available that would represent an upgrade? Bring Shayne Graham back, another rookie, or bring someone out of retirement? Might be best if the Saints continue to stick with and work with Hocker. I am not certain there are better options at this point.

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We should have a new kicker next week.

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Don't think Focker survives the carnage at Great Benefit.

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Talent pool is thin, kickers all over the league have been screwing up for a few seasons now, just sayin'.

Even Atlanta's kicker missed a couple last week and he's about as good as it gets. I think Hoyer will be alright, bringing in anyone likely won't improve anything unless we find some golden Swedish kicker by chance who has been kicking frozen bags of meatballs at work for fun into trucks.

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The kicking problems is more than just the kicker. The snaps are high which is throwing the timing off. Just try kicking one time with a long snapper and holder, it's not as easy as you think if your timing gets knocked off.

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Budsdrinker beat me to it while I was posting.

I am not even convinced that Hocker is the real problem here. I know everybody always wants to boo and yell at the kicker but it takes THREE guys to make a kick work.

I remember Dustin Hopkins was also kinda spotty when he was here, he definitely missed a few. That's why they cut him, right? He leaves and goes to Washington and improves to near PERFECT including clutch kicks in crucial situations.

Whatever we think of him now, Hartley was more-or-less a solid guy during 2008 and 2009. He was 13-13 in 2008, he famously sent us to the Super Bowl in OT, and he holds a Super Bowl record (!) for kicking. To me the real erratic, hooky, nail-biting stuff with Garrett Hartley's kicking, it really only started in 2010, and progressed from there. A lot of people blamed the misses on the Adderal or on Hartley being too emo or whatever, but we also lost veteran long snapper Jason Kyle that same year.

Now obviously I know that not every snap is going to be laser-accurate right into the palms of the holder's hands. But it kinda looks to me like, the snaps are coming in all over the place -- some high, some left, some right. A few of them are perfect right into his hands, but a lot of them are out to the side, or waaaay up there at the top of McCown's reach...

Seems to me like that split micro-second of the holder getting it down to the turf and setting it right, could probably make a difference in the kicker's set and his stride. Also notice how when Hocker is kicking off, he booms it right down the middle, or aims it pretty much where ever he wants to.

Regardless of whether it's solely Hocker or someone else's fault, it's basically McMahon at the root of it. Still, I keep watching those long snaps to McCown occasionally go here, there, up, down and everywhere, and I keep wondering if maybe there is some connection there.

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Have to be honest, wondering about the idea that it is more than the kicker, but didn't graham do pretty good within 50 for us? Let me double check real quick.

Yeah he was 19-22 in '14 and 18-20 under 50. IDK, this kicker **** needs to get fixed.

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Well we all know how SP feels about Kickers pretty much the same as Mike Tomlin. Can guarantee the Coach is addressing it this morning. If the game was close we would have choked on those 6 points.

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When you can't hit the non-pressure kicks, as last nights were, I have no confidence in him moving forward. Payton picked the wrong kicker again.

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Oh the days when we had a clutch guy like Morten or even Carney from inside the 40. We took it for granted when a FG was almost an automatic.

Whoever said it is right, the talent pool of kickers has diminished. There are not more guys who are with the same team for 10+ years anymore. It's a couple years and done it seems for everyone. That is a position that is tied so much to confidence and just streaky consistency in the set up.

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0-29 3 - 3
30-39 4 - 5
40-49 1 - 3
50+ 1 - 2

9-13 over all

serviceable but stats for 40-49 must be watched.

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Yep. We have to get the 3 when kicking from inside the 40.
When those start coming up zeros too often he has to go.
When those efforts come away with no points, it starts to weigh on team confidence
and decision making in that part of the field.

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Two missed FGs would have been huge in a typical Saints/Falcons game that is usually decided by 3 points, I cut him some slack with the game winner miss as a rookie, but those two misses are worrisome.
Ingram going, I see those comments points. Robinson looks good, runs downhill, and one guy usually doesn't stop him. Ingram got stood up pretty frequently last night and only seems to run downhill when they are near the endzone. But Hocker is the pressing issue for now.

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How is 69.2% considered serviceable?

If I only did 69% of my job I wouldn't get a paycheck.

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here is the thing, the miss in the Cowboys game could have cost us the game. The two misses last night could have cost us, that is effectively taking a td OFF THE BOARD. hE NEEDS TO GET HIS **** TOGETHER. hE NEEDS TO MAKE 51 YARD FG'S.

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I don't trust him.

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I didn't think he won the kicking job coming out of camp.

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add a blocked EP and the fact that all 4 misses were at home and 'serviceable' becomes 'expendable'

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I hear that this Dustin Hopkins guy has only missed 1 FG this year. And that was a 50+ yard one. I sure wish we could stumble upon someone like that. Just unlucky I guess. Can't even get someone like that into camp. Or can we?

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Poor guy; easy money out the window.

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SP won't put up w a kicker that he cant trust - that's why he got rid of Hartley. Question is... who else is available out there?

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Hocker gets one more chance.

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The thing I'm concerned about is the team finally looks to have some momentum, which Hocker will most likely kill if given one more chance.

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oh thought it was hooker, wrong thread sorry. Ill search google.

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Still don't understand why we didn't keep the Florida St Kid (Hopkins); he's banging it for the Redskins now which makes the burn doubly poignant...

I'd bring in Mort Andersen and have him tell Payton who the best kicker is; I mean, who would no better than the Best Placekicker of All-Time...

Problem is Mort probably would tell Payton add McMahon to the impending dumpster fire at the end of the season and Coach seems incapable of firing his Special Teams Coach...

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We were awful in the Tampa game, but if he makes those two kicks then we are kicking a FG at the end of the game, not throwing desperation passes.
He got saved in the Dallas game by a coin toss and bad defending

most telling for me is 5 misses in the climate-controlled, windless, turf field 'dome, at home.

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Look, it's not like he missed a 25 yarder. The guy missed 2 50 yard field goals. He missed them both just a little wide but had the leg for 10 more yards. For the past 5 years we would not of even considered kicking that far. With some tweeking you guys will be loving him by the end of the season.

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this isn't preseason boss, dude is supposed to have his **** together now. Not ****ing 16 weeks later.

He also missed a game winner of less than 40 and I think one in the 40's against the falcons. 67% is not going to cut it

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You do know he is a rookie?!