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Ingram is a good football player.
But he just doesnt excite me.

I get much more pumped when Khiry Robinson gets the ball, and flies
around like he has icy hot in his jock.

It reminds me of a QB we had in the 80s named Dave Wilson. (not wade, Dave. Bum team.) D. Wilson had a classic build, good pedigree, Illinois, I think. Good mechanics. Probably a great student. Did everything right technically. He lines up behind center. 3 and out and not even a fight.

In steps Bobby Hebert for mop-up duty. Hebert runs around like he's starting a riot, fights his way into a pocket, stiff-arms a LB, runs some more. Throws a cannon shot across the field, to a guy he had no business throwing to. Guy accidently catches it. Scores. We go FREAKIN NUTS!
Saints lower the loss margin to 28.

All I ever hear from guys my age about Bobby is negative now, but you're lyin arses were booing Dave Wilson, and screaming for Hebert to start, just like I was, and when he got in--- we thought, for good reason, that we had a shot. I think he's great, and i dont give a damn what yall think.

Anyway, we like guys like Pierre Thomas, who FIGHT for it. Put the stupid Heisman Trophy in its case, your salary sheet in a desk, and let put the guys
on the field who want to play FOOTBALL.

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Can anyone explain why we have C.J. Spiller on this team if Payton won't use him? It can't be that he really sees Ingram as a superior RB, can it?

I don't get it.

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He's our SUPRISE player we only use in the wheel route in overtime.

On Ingram....
I don't think we utilize him well. If he wasn't on the team, I don't know who the leading receiver for this season would be.

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It's like the Scott Shanle conundrum all over again.

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Let anyone of our 3 running backs stay in the game for any length of time, heck even 1 series without substituting and you will see an improvement. All 3 will run hard and with purpose but can't blame any of them for not being able to build up any rhythm. Point the finger at the coaches for making the plays so obvious and taking them out after one play.

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When he was with the Saints, Ivory's problems weren't running the ball, he was fantastic. He averaged over 5 yards/carry in two of his 3 years.

His problem was that he missed 20 games over the last two seasons he was here.

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.. and rightly so. You remember that play, I remember INTs and pick sixes in playoff games.

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Spiller has had a series of injuries that prevented him from participating in the preseason and the first several games. He doesn't have the same level of familiarity of the playbook or audible system that the other backs have. You will notice that his reps are in situations where options are limited.

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We've already established that as not being a good argument for comparison. Ingram has only finished 1 season without being hurt and missing multiple games.

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Oh sorry. I must've missed the whole established part. I didn't realize missing 20 games in his last two seasons would be the same as missing 6 games over the same two seasons.

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Reminder - He was held out the first 8 games of 2011, in Peyton's absence, for reasons unexplained. He was not injured. Undoubtedly he had a coaching beef, but whoever that coach was... He cost the Saints wins. First game back - 45-yd TD against the Falcons.

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He was put on the Physically Unable to Play list for the first 6 games reportedly to rehab from a foot injury and a sports hernia procedure. He didn't play at all during the preseason that season and missed a lot of practice.

I didn't know about about the coaching beef. Who was it with and what was it about?

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There was no coaching beef. It was reported several times that he fumbled in practice over and over again, and his pass protection needed a lot of work.

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I actually saw him move a pile plenty of times even though he had zero room to run. I think his lack of production is more of an O line thing. KR isnt exactly lighting it up either. Ingram runs mean and nasty and gives 100%.
He is tough and gets a lot of momentum and for all we know Payton wants him to run straight at the defense just to wear them down.
I screamed about getting rid of Ingram until the middle of last year. Now I think I want him here.

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No, we couldnt stop him because we have a ****ty run defense.

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We keep Ingram and trade Ivory and look at what happened. I just do not see what SP sees in this guy.

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What happened?

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From another thread, same issue...

Simple Solution - Declare Mark Ingram has a Groin Injury, Sit Him...

Run Khiry Robinson and/or C.J. Spiller for a couple of games...

If you have more success, trade Ingram to the G'nats or dem' Cowboys for a King's Ransom...

If you still suck, get off Ingram's arse (though he goes down way to easy on first, initial contact), and sign/draft some road graders (like Clint Boling)...

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Hahahahaha. Ingram must've been breaking runs for yardage in PRACTICE, then? LOL He didn't do it in games, just like Ivory didn't have a fumbling problem in games.

Lack of production is a reason to look away from Mark Ingram. Doesn't fumble, but doesn't gain YPC either.

We'll see tomorrow... I guess.

Hope I'm wrong, but at least I can admit when I"M WRONG, Danno.

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Well? :)

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14 for 143(10.3 ypc) and 1 TD; not too shabby

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I said two years ago at Ingram's last breakout game (Dallas at home) that I hope he starts stringing them together. That applies today as well. I'd love it if he could run like this all the time.

I'm officially off his back for a while. LOL

That second half was terrifying

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Ingram is twice the back Robinson is.

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Pretty cool to see what Ingram can accomplish with even a slightly-above-average o line in front of him.

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Impressive performance by Roll Tide yesterday :cool:.

I saw a lot of grit and determination today. Maybe he runs better when he is pi@!$d off :argue:. Quite possibly agitated that Khiry and CJ were getting those touches early on, no?

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How? Because of one game? Ingram did a good job of taking advantage of his space yesterday and not running up the back of an offensive lineman like he does so often. I'll give him his due on that. But those WERE huge holes he was running through, and he was getting all the carries. Then the line suddenly stopped opening those holes and neither Ingram nor Robinson were having any success. Robinson wasn't getting the ball when the going was good, other than two goal line scores.

Khiry has shown more consistent ability, in my opinion, of getting the most out of what room he has. There just isn't typically much room for anybody.