New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans

skymike · 10-27-2015, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

He's supposed to be a professional, not some guy's 15 year old kid kicking his first highschool FG. Excuses like that are for those who aren't good enough to make it without one.

ok, Lombardi.
You know, my position is evolving on this, a bit. perhaps we should be seriously looking at our snapping. It does seem to be a common denominator

jeanpierre · 10-27-2015, 07:26 AM

Long-time friend of mine who's coached kickers at all levels except NFL (though he's had one sign there) talked about timing facets as well...

He equated better kickers to having a faster kick swing - like a baseball batter's swing speed...

The better kicker's having a faster swing in their kicks not only aids in some power (he talked about core strength/torque as well), but the faster the kicker swings his legs leaves more time for better placement by the holder...

Given Forbath's miss in the Colt's game did have a poor snap and placement, nonetheless, a pro kicker should still be able to "chip it in" even with the new PAT distance...

We just f***ed up letting Hopkins geaux...

jeanpierre · 10-27-2015, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

ok, Lombardi.
You know, my position is evolving on this, a bit. perhaps we should be seriously looking at our snapping. It does seem to be a common denominator

I've found the entire kicking squad - kicker, punter, deep snapper; could've all used some REAL competition during training camp...

Think the team and those players having gotten to complacent and that's showing on the field more and more...

burningmetal · 10-27-2015, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

ok, Lombardi.
You know, my position is evolving on this, a bit. perhaps we should be seriously looking at our snapping. It does seem to be a common denominator

Lombardi? Thanks for the compliment, I guess.

burningmetal · 10-27-2015, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Long-time friend of mine who's coached kickers at all levels except NFL (though he's had one sign there) talked about timing facets as well...

He equated better kickers to having a faster kick swing - like a baseball batter's swing speed...

The better kicker's having a faster swing in their kicks not only aids in some power (he talked about core strength/torque as well), but the faster the kicker swings his legs leaves more time for better placement by the holder...

Given Forbath's miss in the Colt's game did had a poor snap and placement, but a pro kicker should still be able to "chip it in" even with the new PAT distance...

We just f***ed up letting Hopkins geaux...

That's the thing, it's an extra point. I get that a lot goes into making a long kick but on a short kick, as you said, you have to be able to still chip it in. If the hold is bad, ok. But when the hold is good, you have to be professional enough to make an adjustment on a short kick.

We can change out snappers all day long and maybe it would help, who knows? But these kickers aren't doing their end, either. People forget that Forbath has been with a few teams now. There's a reason he doesn't stick.

saintsfan1976 · 10-27-2015, 10:58 AM

Half the NFL has missed at least one extra point kick so far this year.

Give it rest.

If he misses another, then we have a problem.

skymike · 10-27-2015, 11:28 AM

Stupid ass rule.
I wish they would leave the rules alone
Everything was fine in 1979

RaginCajun83 · 10-27-2015, 11:55 AM

he missed one in Indy, a dome so he's on a short leash after popping his mouth off about the Superdome

Barry from MS · 10-27-2015, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Half the NFL has missed at least one extra point kick so far this year.

Give it rest.

If he misses another, then we have a problem.

I would...however:

Through 7 games, we have the following with extra points:

1) 1 blocked extra point (Tampa)
2) 1 botched extra point snap (Carolina) and Hocker got tackled.
3) 1 extra point miss by Forbath (Colts)

Essentially, we've missed 3.

burningmetal · 10-27-2015, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Stupid ass rule.
I wish they would leave the rules alone
Everything was fine in 1979

I agree. Though kickers should still make 33 yarders, there was no reason for the extra point to be moved back. All this talk about how it was a boring play... That's why it only counted as one point! People and their whining/short attention spans. I'm sure they have an app on their phone they can play with while an extra point is being kicked.

10-27-2015, 07:23 AM	#31
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans Originally Posted by burningmetal He's supposed to be a professional, not some guy's 15 year old kid kicking his first highschool FG. Excuses like that are for those who aren't good enough to make it without one. ok, Lombardi. You know, my position is evolving on this, a bit. perhaps we should be seriously looking at our snapping. It does seem to be a common denominator

10-27-2015, 07:26 AM	#32
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans Long-time friend of mine who's coached kickers at all levels except NFL (though he's had one sign there) talked about timing facets as well... He equated better kickers to having a faster kick swing - like a baseball batter's swing speed... The better kicker's having a faster swing in their kicks not only aids in some power (he talked about core strength/torque as well), but the faster the kicker swings his legs leaves more time for better placement by the holder... Given Forbath's miss in the Colt's game did have a poor snap and placement, nonetheless, a pro kicker should still be able to "chip it in" even with the new PAT distance... We just f***ed up letting Hopkins geaux... SloMotion, burningmetal and Saint in Aus like this.
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10-27-2015, 07:32 AM	#33
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans Originally Posted by skymike ok, Lombardi. You know, my position is evolving on this, a bit. perhaps we should be seriously looking at our snapping. It does seem to be a common denominator I've found the entire kicking squad - kicker, punter, deep snapper; could've all used some REAL competition during training camp... Think the team and those players having gotten to complacent and that's showing on the field more and more...

10-27-2015, 07:43 AM	#34
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans Originally Posted by skymike ok, Lombardi. You know, my position is evolving on this, a bit. perhaps we should be seriously looking at our snapping. It does seem to be a common denominator Lombardi? Thanks for the compliment, I guess.

10-27-2015, 07:48 AM	#35
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans Originally Posted by jeanpierre Long-time friend of mine who's coached kickers at all levels except NFL (though he's had one sign there) talked about timing facets as well... He equated better kickers to having a faster kick swing - like a baseball batter's swing speed... The better kicker's having a faster swing in their kicks not only aids in some power (he talked about core strength/torque as well), but the faster the kicker swings his legs leaves more time for better placement by the holder... Given Forbath's miss in the Colt's game did had a poor snap and placement, but a pro kicker should still be able to "chip it in" even with the new PAT distance... We just f***ed up letting Hopkins geaux... That's the thing, it's an extra point. I get that a lot goes into making a long kick but on a short kick, as you said, you have to be able to still chip it in. If the hold is bad, ok. But when the hold is good, you have to be professional enough to make an adjustment on a short kick. We can change out snappers all day long and maybe it would help, who knows? But these kickers aren't doing their end, either. People forget that Forbath has been with a few teams now. There's a reason he doesn't stick.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

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skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans Stupid ass rule. I wish they would leave the rules alone Everything was fine in 1979 jeanpierre and burningmetal like this.

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Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Half the NFL has missed at least one extra point kick so far this year. Give it rest. If he misses another, then we have a problem. I would...however: Through 7 games, we have the following with extra points: 1) 1 blocked extra point (Tampa) 2) 1 botched extra point snap (Carolina) and Hocker got tackled. 3) 1 extra point miss by Forbath (Colts) Essentially, we've missed 3.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans Originally Posted by skymike Stupid ass rule. I wish they would leave the rules alone Everything was fine in 1979 I agree. Though kickers should still make 33 yarders, there was no reason for the extra point to be moved back. All this talk about how it was a boring play... That's why it only counted as one point! People and their whining/short attention spans. I'm sure they have an app on their phone they can play with while an extra point is being kicked. Danno and SloMotion like this.

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