New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans
 

When he misses a FG we will see how happy he is!

Frankly, the Saints’ kicking history surprises Forbath, who spent three years in Washington before the team released him following the season opener.

“It’s kind of weird to me,” Forbath said. “I came from Washington, and they had the same kind of kicker situation, I think when I came in they had 19 kickers in 20 years or something like that. Then I realized why with their playing conditions and field and whatnot, but I don’t get it here.”

New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees 'kicker-friendly' environment in New Orleans - Black and Gold

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I'm glad he sees the environment. Now if he can just see the goal posts and knock that ball between'em, we'll all get along real well.

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Kicking consistency would be really really nice.

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Apparently he hasn't met Sean Payton yet. :wink:

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Yeah no ****. One of the most impatient and distrusting coaches in the NFL when it comes to kickers. Lol.

Sure bud....piece of cake. You'll be looking over your shoulder every time you kick once you miss the first one.

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Damn your a mind reader.

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True. Goodness knows what Forbath will make of Paytin icing his own kicker.

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Well, he pretty much made Washington the scapegoat, blaming the field conditions. I hope for his sake (& ours) that's really what it was.

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-- Well it should be kicker friendly. You're basically kicking on a pool table
indoors. no excuses.

-- just hit the 40's and inside, thats all i ask.... you miss a 50 in the 1st half.
no biggie... hit the chip shots and the extra points, son.

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we shall see.

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Miss one under 40 yards and you'll see how "friendly" the environment is. :p

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We'd be friendly as hell if we ever find one...

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:lol: ... exactly what I was thinking ... "Nah brah, you miss a few and you gonna' see just how 'friendly' the environment can be", :lol:.

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Hmmm, Payton never did say what his "VISION" was for the player.

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I can see why Dustin Hopkins, the kicker we should have kept, has is job in Washington...

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I hope he hasn't spent ALL of his one week check with the Saints.

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Exactly what I was thinking. He misses his first PAT? WTF?
Correction: It was his third PAT in the game.

He can expect to be "unfriended" the next time that happens.

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I hope he has an out clause in his lease.

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87.5% on extra points w/2 different kickers w/the same snapper, same holder, & same coordinator through 7 games...the NFL average is 95%.

This is pathetic in NFL standards for 32 & 33 yard field goals. To me, this is on the coordinator.

Other than this clown-ery, I am mostly positive about our Saints football team...love these young guys!

Special Teams? Crap. Pure, unadulterated crap. One blocked punt on prime time TV does not a great special teams unit make.

Re: New Saints kicker Kai Forbath sees ‘kicker-friendly’ environment in New Orleans
 

The only player on the field who has to be perfect. Is the Kicker.

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no, wrong.
The kicker can mess up outside 40 yards, and in bad conditions.
He is not, however, allowed to miss extra points, in indoor stadiums.

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High snap.

McCown did a great job.

Kicker was thrown off and probably should have made the kick but I'm not firing him over that one play.

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I don't suspect he WILL get fired over that one miss. But I can't excuse him on it. I noticed the snap was high, too, but as you said McCown did do a great job in bringing it down. Once that's done, you gotta make the extra point. I can understand if he's winding up for a 50 yarder and he gets his timing thrown off, but from 33 yards away there isn't much to think about. You just want to make sure you get it high enough where it can't be blocked. But he actually kicked it right towards where the rush was coming from.

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You really need to watch how a kicker goes through the process of kicking.
It is all timing. He nods his head to the holder to call for the ball and the countdown begins. Kickers don't look at the snap they just put their head down and approach the ball to kick it. It's not like they wait to see it placed before they start the process. This is why I didn't fault Hocker on his misses. The snaps have been inconsistent all year long and it makes a hell of a difference. Instead of bringing in kickers, I think it's time to bring in long snappers.

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Unless the snap is way too high that the holder can't get it down in time which is exactly what happened. ;)

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This is true. My son was a holder and it was all timing over placement and "string" position. The whole play is a three part process with the snap, the catch and hold, and the kick. Any variance in any of those areas can cause a miss.

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I agree.

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Payton is probably looked for the 2nd coming of Morten Andersen.

I thought Hocker was going to stay, but he was let go and I assume it was because of the missed game winner vs Dallas.

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Right, they don't wait to see the placement before starting. That's the point. It doesn't matter that the snap was high, because McCown got it down in time. But he hesitated anyway, instead of trusting McCown.

Kickers have one job to do. ONE. I'm not gonna shed tears for a guy because things don't always go exactly the way he visualizes it in his mind. Everybody else has to deal with adversity. It's an extra point. He's supposed to be a professional, not some guy's 15 year old kid kicking his first highschool FG. Excuses like that are for those who aren't good enough to make it without one.

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ok, Lombardi.
You know, my position is evolving on this, a bit. perhaps we should be seriously looking at our snapping. It does seem to be a common denominator

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Long-time friend of mine who's coached kickers at all levels except NFL (though he's had one sign there) talked about timing facets as well...

He equated better kickers to having a faster kick swing - like a baseball batter's swing speed...

The better kicker's having a faster swing in their kicks not only aids in some power (he talked about core strength/torque as well), but the faster the kicker swings his legs leaves more time for better placement by the holder...

Given Forbath's miss in the Colt's game did have a poor snap and placement, nonetheless, a pro kicker should still be able to "chip it in" even with the new PAT distance...

We just f***ed up letting Hopkins geaux...

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I've found the entire kicking squad - kicker, punter, deep snapper; could've all used some REAL competition during training camp...

Think the team and those players having gotten to complacent and that's showing on the field more and more...

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Lombardi? Thanks for the compliment, I guess.

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That's the thing, it's an extra point. I get that a lot goes into making a long kick but on a short kick, as you said, you have to be able to still chip it in. If the hold is bad, ok. But when the hold is good, you have to be professional enough to make an adjustment on a short kick.

We can change out snappers all day long and maybe it would help, who knows? But these kickers aren't doing their end, either. People forget that Forbath has been with a few teams now. There's a reason he doesn't stick.

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Half the NFL has missed at least one extra point kick so far this year.

Give it rest.

If he misses another, then we have a problem.

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Stupid ass rule.
I wish they would leave the rules alone
Everything was fine in 1979

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he missed one in Indy, a dome so he's on a short leash after popping his mouth off about the Superdome

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I would...however:

Through 7 games, we have the following with extra points:

1) 1 blocked extra point (Tampa)
2) 1 botched extra point snap (Carolina) and Hocker got tackled.
3) 1 extra point miss by Forbath (Colts)

Essentially, we've missed 3.

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I agree. Though kickers should still make 33 yarders, there was no reason for the extra point to be moved back. All this talk about how it was a boring play... That's why it only counted as one point! People and their whining/short attention spans. I'm sure they have an app on their phone they can play with while an extra point is being kicked.