Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot

SaintFanInATLHELL · 10-26-2015, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Two things stood out for me today. 1) Sean Payton relocating his "gunslinger gear" and 2) playing like we are satisfied with a 3 score lead ( aka NOT going for the kill shot ).

After 2009, Sean Payton seemed to lose his gambler-mode. It's back and, I think, it is inspiring confidence. I didn't like the challenges today ( especially the first one ) -- but to me it just signaled how committed Payton was to win at any cost and Payton trying to do everything he could.

Re: #2: I have seen this again and again with the Saints -- we jump out to a lead, even a comfortable lead, and then, we take our foot off the gas. It is SUPER ANNOYING. We did not do that in 2009 and I seem to remember us not doing that in the years running up to the Super Bowl win. We need to remember how to do that. This BS is about the offense's performance and play calling. Letting another team hang around is stupid.

I argue with my brother on pretty much a daily basis about #2. He is the ultra-conservative who would have wanted the Saints to run the ball on every play in the second half. I am the realist, who simply does not believe that Payton has the patience to do that.

But my brother did make a observation that makes sense to me. If the Saints are going to run a 4 minute offense and run the ball, why not go fully Heavy Jumbo: three tight ends and a fullback?

The continue problem I see with the team in the end game is lack of first downs and limited time off the clock. Why bother with receivers and slot guys if you plan to run the ball anyway to drain the clock? Just overload 8 linemen on the left side and push the line 4 yards in each play.

That then opens up the ultimate play action. Brees can boot out the back door with Johnson, or one of the tight ends coming across in a crossing route.

Effectively it's the goal line offense from the 1 yard line.

Why not run that every play in the 4th quarter when you are up by 10?

SFIAH

WHODATINCA · 10-26-2015, 08:15 PM

@SFIAH -- Hmmm...interesting point of view. It's fine if you are actually getting the firsts. But, what I have seen is we don't. Then, we just give the ball back. In years when we have had a sh!tty D -- this strategy has choke written all over it. And, for my money, I'd much rather we risk losing by stepping on the gas -- than go down whimpering and rolling over -- after getting up by 10 or more.

Crusader · 10-27-2015, 08:31 AM

Talking about trickeration. I really like the part about Brees acting on the sideline.

Successful fake field goal sparks New Orleans Saints' win - New Orleans Saints Blog - ESPN

vpheughan · 10-27-2015, 06:05 PM

The amount of verticality during the physicality of the trickeration which of course was the personification of the relation to a win! Do the games the Saints "Coulda" won cancel out the one's they "Woulda" won? Seems it "Shoulda." That sounds so familiar......Playoffs! Playoffs?

skymike · 10-27-2015, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by WHODATINCA

Two things stood out for me today. 1) Sean Payton relocating his "gunslinger gear" and 2) playing like we are satisfied with a 3 score lead ( aka NOT going for the kill shot ).

After 2009, Sean Payton seemed to lose his gambler-mode. It's back and, I think, it is inspiring confidence. I didn't like the challenges today ( especially the first one ) -- but to me it just signaled how committed Payton was to win at any cost and Payton trying to do everything he could.

Re: #2: I have seen this again and again with the Saints -- we jump out to a lead, even a comfortable lead, and then, we take our foot off the gas. It is SUPER ANNOYING. We did not do that in 2009 and I seem to remember us not doing that in the years running up to the Super Bowl win. We need to remember how to do that. This BS is about the offense's performance and play calling. Letting another team hang around is stupid.

agreed with JP. good stuff, WDiCA.

LOVED seeing the Payton Gunslinging. good name for it, too.

10-26-2015, 03:23 PM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Two things stood out for me today. 1) Sean Payton relocating his "gunslinger gear" and 2) playing like we are satisfied with a 3 score lead ( aka NOT going for the kill shot ). After 2009, Sean Payton seemed to lose his gambler-mode. It's back and, I think, it is inspiring confidence. I didn't like the challenges today ( especially the first one ) -- but to me it just signaled how committed Payton was to win at any cost and Payton trying to do everything he could. Re: #2: I have seen this again and again with the Saints -- we jump out to a lead, even a comfortable lead, and then, we take our foot off the gas. It is SUPER ANNOYING. We did not do that in 2009 and I seem to remember us not doing that in the years running up to the Super Bowl win. We need to remember how to do that. This BS is about the offense's performance and play calling. Letting another team hang around is stupid. I argue with my brother on pretty much a daily basis about #2. He is the ultra-conservative who would have wanted the Saints to run the ball on every play in the second half. I am the realist, who simply does not believe that Payton has the patience to do that. But my brother did make a observation that makes sense to me. If the Saints are going to run a 4 minute offense and run the ball, why not go fully Heavy Jumbo: three tight ends and a fullback? The continue problem I see with the team in the end game is lack of first downs and limited time off the clock. Why bother with receivers and slot guys if you plan to run the ball anyway to drain the clock? Just overload 8 linemen on the left side and push the line 4 yards in each play. That then opens up the ultimate play action. Brees can boot out the back door with Johnson, or one of the tight ends coming across in a crossing route. Effectively it's the goal line offense from the 1 yard line. Why not run that every play in the 4th quarter when you are up by 10? SFIAH
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10-27-2015, 08:31 AM	#3
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,049	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot Talking about trickeration. I really like the part about Brees acting on the sideline. Successful fake field goal sparks New Orleans Saints' win - New Orleans Saints Blog - ESPN saintsfan1976 likes this.

10-27-2015, 06:05 PM	#4
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,553	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot The amount of verticality during the physicality of the trickeration which of course was the personification of the relation to a win! Do the games the Saints "Coulda" won cancel out the one's they "Woulda" won? Seems it "Shoulda." That sounds so familiar......Playoffs! Playoffs?
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10-27-2015, 06:33 PM	#5
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot Originally Posted by WHODATINCA Two things stood out for me today. 1) Sean Payton relocating his "gunslinger gear" and 2) playing like we are satisfied with a 3 score lead ( aka NOT going for the kill shot ). After 2009, Sean Payton seemed to lose his gambler-mode. It's back and, I think, it is inspiring confidence. I didn't like the challenges today ( especially the first one ) -- but to me it just signaled how committed Payton was to win at any cost and Payton trying to do everything he could. Re: #2: I have seen this again and again with the Saints -- we jump out to a lead, even a comfortable lead, and then, we take our foot off the gas. It is SUPER ANNOYING. We did not do that in 2009 and I seem to remember us not doing that in the years running up to the Super Bowl win. We need to remember how to do that. This BS is about the offense's performance and play calling. Letting another team hang around is stupid. agreed with JP. good stuff, WDiCA. LOVED seeing the Payton Gunslinging. good name for it, too. WHODATINCA likes this.

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WHODATINCA Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: South Bay Posts: 3,784	Re: Trickeration and Not Going For the Kill Shot @SFIAH -- Hmmm...interesting point of view. It's fine if you are actually getting the firsts. But, what I have seen is we don't. Then, we just give the ball back. In years when we have had a sh!tty D -- this strategy has choke written all over it. And, for my money, I'd much rather we risk losing by stepping on the gas -- than go down whimpering and rolling over -- after getting up by 10 or more.