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TheJudge · 02-15-2005, 09:29 PM

I hear Deuce McAllister is eyeing Clinton Portis type money.
Unbelievable.

deuce should get that.....i would give him portis money... he is better than portis....

Saint_LB · 02-15-2005, 09:59 PM

I hear Deuce McAllister is eyeing Clinton Portis type money.
Unbelievable.

It wasn\'t too long ago that someone was eyeing Deuces\'s money...who was that guy...is he still in football?

alsaints113 · 02-16-2005, 12:03 AM

Now you all know by now that I am all about being positive...however...

There is NO way that Aaron Brooks is one of the top 5 QBs in the league.

1.) Peyton Manning
2.) Tom Brady
3.) Donovan McNabb
4.) Daunte Culpepper
5.) Micael Vick

Well, it was tough coming up with #5 because of the lack of stellar QBs in the league but it\'s clear that Vick is better than Brooks. Feel free to disagree.

CheramieIII · 02-16-2005, 12:27 AM

If it\'s true this could be just what the doctor ordered. Swap starting QB\'s with another team, Brees maybe? There are several others to be considered.

Just a thought.

Danno · 02-16-2005, 06:29 AM

AB
Deuce
Horn
Howard
Grant
McKenzie

Good question, I\'m no stat-boy but I think the one name that just doesn\'t seem to fit into that group is AB.

Newbies, I\'m fed up the AB\'s erratic play but see no alternative but to keep him around another few years. Bessides I\'m convinced he can be the man with a supporting cast and scheme that fits him. So what if he\'s stupid, build a system a stupid talented Qb can win in. IMO the coaches have tried for 5 yrs to put the Rectangle into the Square, then made excuses why it didn\'t fit, then blamed the Rectangles. Point is scheme is key for AB to win and Defense is a must for any team to win.

I don\'t believe I could have said it any better than you just did.
Its not just AB either. This whole coaching staff keeps changing the pieces of the puzzle to try and build a team that specifically plays to their system.
Here\'s a thought, how about adjusting your system to fit the atheletes you have. Notice how the defense played much better when Haslet said, \"we just simplified some things\"?
Don\'t design the space shuttle when all you need is a racecar.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-16-2005, 06:30 AM

If it\'s true this could be just what the doctor ordered. Swap starting QB\'s with another team, Brees maybe? There are several others to be considered.

Just a thought.

Interesting catch-22 there. For a swap to occur, Brooks has to be worth swapping for another starting QB.

If virtually everyone here on the forum, and all of the ESPN analysts knows that Brooks is a worthless bum, don\'t you think that other NFL GMs know it too?

So either Brooks has value as a starting QB and could be swapped, or Brooks is not worth it and can\'t be swapped.

So which is it?

SFIAH.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-16-2005, 07:40 AM

PS: Newbies, I\'m fed up the AB\'s erratic play but see no alternative but to keep him around another few years. Bessides I\'m convinced he can be the man with a supporting cast and scheme that fits him. So what if he\'s stupid, build a system a stupid talented Qb can win in. IMO the coaches have tried for 5 yrs to put the Rectangle into the Square, then made excuses why it didn\'t fit, then blamed the Rectangles. Point is scheme is key for AB to win and Defense is a must for any team to win.

I agree for the most part. Personally I think that most of Brooks\' stupidity is off the field when the guy gets in front of a mike. He should just shut up already.

But objectively if he were as football stupid as folks try to pin on him, he simply would not be able to produce the numbers that he has produced in the last 4 years.

I\'m a stat boy, so here\'s some stats for you: In the last 4 seasons only 2 NFL QBs have thrown for 3500+ yards and 20 TDs in each of those 4 seasons. And Brooks is one of them.

I\'m not saying that it makes the guy great. However he does have what it takes to get the job done.

The second is related to the defense. In the last 4 seasons when the Saints have held the opposition to 20 points or less, the team is 20-8. Of course this includes the last 4 games of last season. Last season the team was 5-1 when giving up less than 21 points and 3-7 when giving up 21 points or more.

So it\'s simple math to me. Leave Brooks in place and improve the defense so that it can consistenty hold teams to under 21 points.

That being said...no hurt QB should play when you\'ve got a Jake D on the bench. Also, after the underhanded tosses, I\'d have yanked his butt to teach him a lesson \"PROTECT THE FOOTBALL\"!!!!!!!

Agree on both. The December 2002 thing is Haslett\'s fault. He simply should have benched Brooks and let Jake play. It was a no brainer.

Agreed again on protecting the football. It\'s those half dozen panic plays during the season that drives me nuts.

So am I fair or do I just have an agenda?

So fair that I\'m scared. Very scared.

SFIAH

baronm · 02-16-2005, 09:11 AM

AB-11
Deuce-20 (btww rudi johnson is 8th)
Horn-2
Grant-1
McKenzie-way down on the list-brown is higher
carney-13
smith-27
howard-64

cbs.sportsline.com\'s position rankings-final fromlast year

WD52 · 02-16-2005, 09:12 AM

SaintFanInATLHELL,

I\'m not saying that it makes the guy great. However he does have what it takes to get the job done.

The second is related to the defense. In the last 4 seasons when the Saints have held the opposition to 20 points or less, the team is 20-8. Of course this includes the last 4 games of last season. Last season the team was 5-1 when giving up less than 21 points and 3-7 when giving up 21 points or more.

So it\'s simple math to me. Leave Brooks in place and improve the defense so that it can consistenty hold teams to under 21 points.

The One flaw in what you just said, is IF th QB does not manage crucial points of the game well, He can put the Defense on there backs several 3 and outs, will wear them out, a turn over on or near your own goal line gives the opponets Oppertunity to rise to the magic 20 number.. , Fumbles Hurt bad, A Qb can deflate a whole team with bad descision making........

Brooks is Verry capable of taking care of the positive aspects of the game, But he is also real good at adding to the negatives to.........

one step forward and two steps back.......

WhoDat · 02-16-2005, 02:03 PM

See how easy it is to start an internet rumor? LOL

02-15-2005, 09:29 PM	#11
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02-16-2005, 12:03 AM	#13
alsaints113 Registered Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 95	The NEW Rumor!!! HUGE!!! Now you all know by now that I am all about being positive...however... There is NO way that Aaron Brooks is one of the top 5 QBs in the league. 1.) Peyton Manning 2.) Tom Brady 3.) Donovan McNabb 4.) Daunte Culpepper 5.) Micael Vick Well, it was tough coming up with #5 because of the lack of stellar QBs in the league but it\'s clear that Vick is better than Brooks. Feel free to disagree.
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02-16-2005, 12:27 AM	#14
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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,713	The NEW Rumor!!! HUGE!!! AB Deuce Horn Howard Grant McKenzie Good question, I\'m no stat-boy but I think the one name that just doesn\'t seem to fit into that group is AB. Newbies, I\'m fed up the AB\'s erratic play but see no alternative but to keep him around another few years. Bessides I\'m convinced he can be the man with a supporting cast and scheme that fits him. So what if he\'s stupid, build a system a stupid talented Qb can win in. IMO the coaches have tried for 5 yrs to put the Rectangle into the Square, then made excuses why it didn\'t fit, then blamed the Rectangles. Point is scheme is key for AB to win and Defense is a must for any team to win. I don\'t believe I could have said it any better than you just did. Its not just AB either. This whole coaching staff keeps changing the pieces of the puzzle to try and build a team that specifically plays to their system. Here\'s a thought, how about adjusting your system to fit the atheletes you have. Notice how the defense played much better when Haslet said, \"we just simplified some things\"? Don\'t design the space shuttle when all you need is a racecar.

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02-16-2005, 06:30 AM	#16
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	The NEW Rumor!!! HUGE!!! If it\'s true this could be just what the doctor ordered. Swap starting QB\'s with another team, Brees maybe? There are several others to be considered. Just a thought. Interesting catch-22 there. For a swap to occur, Brooks has to be worth swapping for another starting QB. If virtually everyone here on the forum, and all of the ESPN analysts knows that Brooks is a worthless bum, don\'t you think that other NFL GMs know it too? So either Brooks has value as a starting QB and could be swapped, or Brooks is not worth it and can\'t be swapped. So which is it? SFIAH.

02-16-2005, 07:40 AM	#17
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	The NEW Rumor!!! HUGE!!! PS: Newbies, I\'m fed up the AB\'s erratic play but see no alternative but to keep him around another few years. Bessides I\'m convinced he can be the man with a supporting cast and scheme that fits him. So what if he\'s stupid, build a system a stupid talented Qb can win in. IMO the coaches have tried for 5 yrs to put the Rectangle into the Square, then made excuses why it didn\'t fit, then blamed the Rectangles. Point is scheme is key for AB to win and Defense is a must for any team to win. I agree for the most part. Personally I think that most of Brooks\' stupidity is off the field when the guy gets in front of a mike. He should just shut up already. But objectively if he were as football stupid as folks try to pin on him, he simply would not be able to produce the numbers that he has produced in the last 4 years. I\'m a stat boy, so here\'s some stats for you: In the last 4 seasons only 2 NFL QBs have thrown for 3500+ yards and 20 TDs in each of those 4 seasons. And Brooks is one of them. I\'m not saying that it makes the guy great. However he does have what it takes to get the job done. The second is related to the defense. In the last 4 seasons when the Saints have held the opposition to 20 points or less, the team is 20-8. Of course this includes the last 4 games of last season. Last season the team was 5-1 when giving up less than 21 points and 3-7 when giving up 21 points or more. So it\'s simple math to me. Leave Brooks in place and improve the defense so that it can consistenty hold teams to under 21 points. That being said...no hurt QB should play when you\'ve got a Jake D on the bench. Also, after the underhanded tosses, I\'d have yanked his butt to teach him a lesson \"PROTECT THE FOOTBALL\"!!!!!!! Agree on both. The December 2002 thing is Haslett\'s fault. He simply should have benched Brooks and let Jake play. It was a no brainer. Agreed again on protecting the football. It\'s those half dozen panic plays during the season that drives me nuts. So am I fair or do I just have an agenda? So fair that I\'m scared. Very scared. SFIAH
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02-16-2005, 09:12 AM	#19
WD52 Registered Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 80	The NEW Rumor!!! HUGE!!! SaintFanInATLHELL, I\'m not saying that it makes the guy great. However he does have what it takes to get the job done. The second is related to the defense. In the last 4 seasons when the Saints have held the opposition to 20 points or less, the team is 20-8. Of course this includes the last 4 games of last season. Last season the team was 5-1 when giving up less than 21 points and 3-7 when giving up 21 points or more. So it\'s simple math to me. Leave Brooks in place and improve the defense so that it can consistenty hold teams to under 21 points. The One flaw in what you just said, is IF th QB does not manage crucial points of the game well, He can put the Defense on there backs several 3 and outs, will wear them out, a turn over on or near your own goal line gives the opponets Oppertunity to rise to the magic 20 number.. , Fumbles Hurt bad, A Qb can deflate a whole team with bad descision making........ Brooks is Verry capable of taking care of the positive aspects of the game, But he is also real good at adding to the negatives to......... one step forward and two steps back.......
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