How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense

Exxcalibur · 11-01-2015, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

That vision included using more three-tight end sets, which would pair Hoomanwanui with Josh Hill and Ben Watson, and using Hoomanawanui as something of a fullback or blocking back at times in other personnel groupings. That in turn would create more flexibility and help make the Saints more unpredictable, while also helping to dictate some of the action within opposing defenses

ROFL. Very dry..

Halo · 10-29-2015, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

what has he brought? A TE that is a solid blocker and allows the saints to flank Watson out wide

Hmmm let me think about this

Homma takes Watson role

Watson takes over Jimmy role

So what is exactly "new" here with this guy and the effect he has on the saints?

faces have changed but the dance remains the same

What's new?
He can block. Jimmy Graham cannot block.
He can catch. At one point Jimmy was leading the Saints last season in drops.

hagan714 · 10-30-2015, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

What's new?
He can block. Jimmy Graham cannot block.
He can catch. At one point Jimmy was leading the Saints last season in drops.

See that is my point.

Watson is the best receiving TE we have. so he steps out outside but he is no Jimmy but a he ain't that bad either.

So Watson steps outside and Homma steps inside in Watson place. We do not miss a beat with the blocking. just a bit of drop off in the receiving skill set.

I do not see anything really different here except a slight drop in receiving skill sets.

Hill has not become what we thought he could .... just yet. making the Homma trade needed.

That brings up the the glaring issue of the poor production at WR. To me that is the issue that forced the hand in the trade

Now for those who actually think we got the best in this trade need to slow down a bit.

Akiem is now part of the rotation as a DT not a DE. A swap of roles many here thought was the move to make with him. The Pats are tickled pink with Akiem so far. Just now is he showing an impact in the rotation at DT.

He appears to be the missing cog to interior of DL for the pats. Hicks is not a pass rusher and the Pats are not asking him to that. Clog up the middle and collapse the pocket up the middle. That is what he does best. A bull rush DE was once again a futile attempt at the square peg in a round drill for the saints. As we all know he is a great Bull Rusher.

The Pats are using him according to what he does well. So before people buy into this we got the better of the trade. Use this trade to sit back and judge if the saints once again try to make a player something clearly he was never meant to be.

Plus Homma could have been had for much less according to rumors. So in NE they think they got the better of the trade. They are actually enjoying poking fun at what other players they can steal from the saints.

SmashMouth · 10-30-2015, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

See that is my point.

Watson is the best receiving TE we have. so he steps out outside but he is no Jimmy but a he ain't that bad either.

So Watson steps outside and Homma steps inside in Watson place. We do not miss a beat with the blocking. just a bit of drop off in the receiving skill set.

I do not see anything really different here except a slight drop in receiving skill sets.

Hill has not become what we thought he could .... just yet. making the Homma trade needed.

That brings up the the glaring issue of the poor production at WR. To me that is the issue that forced the hand in the trade

Now for those who actually think we got the best in this trade need to slow down a bit.

Akiem is now part of the rotation as a DT not a DE. A swap of roles many here thought was the move to make with him. The Pats are tickled pink with Akiem so far. Just now is he showing an impact in the rotation at DT.

He appears to be the missing cog to interior of DL for the pats. Hicks is not a pass rusher and the Pats are not asking him to that. Clog up the middle and collapse the pocket up the middle. That is what he does best. A bull rush DE was once again a futile attempt at the square peg in a round drill for the saints. As we all know he is a great Bull Rusher.

The Pats are using him according to what he does well. So before people buy into this we got the better of the trade. Use this trade to sit back and judge if the saints once again try to make a player something clearly he was never meant to be.

Plus Homma could have been had for much less according to rumors. So in NE they think they got the better of the trade. They are actually enjoying poking fun at what other players they can steal from the saints.

So who's our DL coach again that can't seem to get this right? It's not like we could not have used him at DT, right? Still glad to have Hooze-yomama, just not crazy to have given up Hicks.

Danno · 10-30-2015, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So who's our DL coach again that can't seem to get this right? It's not like we could not have used him at DT, right? Still glad to have Hooze-yomama, just not crazy to have given up Hicks.

We tried hicks at every D-line position while he was here, and he was mediocre at every one of them.

He plays too upright.

jlaw8920 · 10-29-2015, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

what has he brought? A TE that is a solid blocker and allows the saints to flank Watson out wide

Hmmm let me think about this

Homma takes Watson role

Watson takes over Jimmy role

So what is exactly "new" here with this guy and the effect he has on the saints?

faces have changed but the dance remains the same

I'd say its new this year? Couldn't have that old system that they like in place with Hill as the blocking TE.

K Major · 10-29-2015, 08:32 AM

Hoo-Dat !

vpheughan · 10-29-2015, 10:08 AM

"faces have changed but the dance remains the same"

Darn!! They've won 3 out of the last 4!!

saintsfan1976 · 10-29-2015, 11:40 AM

I think this is Sean's way of saying; "See Jimmy, this could have been you..."

Don't care what anyone says. The hold out for "WR money" - deserved or not - was what made JG less valuable.

darstep · 10-29-2015, 12:02 PM

Hooma looks solid.
Versatile. Seems to do most things well.
My kinda guy.
Just do your job...

11-01-2015, 11:16 PM	#1
Exxcalibur Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,389	Re: How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense Originally Posted by Danno That vision included using more three-tight end sets, which would pair Hoomanwanui with Josh Hill and Ben Watson, and using Hoomanawanui as something of a fullback or blocking back at times in other personnel groupings. That in turn would create more flexibility and help make the Saints more unpredictable, while also helping to dictate some of the action within opposing defenses ROFL. Very dry..

10-29-2015, 10:12 AM	#2
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,854 Blog Entries: 45	Re: How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense Originally Posted by hagan714 what has he brought? A TE that is a solid blocker and allows the saints to flank Watson out wide Hmmm let me think about this Homma takes Watson role Watson takes over Jimmy role So what is exactly "new" here with this guy and the effect he has on the saints? faces have changed but the dance remains the same What's new? He can block. Jimmy Graham cannot block. He can catch. At one point Jimmy was leading the Saints last season in drops.

10-30-2015, 07:15 AM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense Originally Posted by Halo What's new? He can block. Jimmy Graham cannot block. He can catch. At one point Jimmy was leading the Saints last season in drops. See that is my point. Watson is the best receiving TE we have. so he steps out outside but he is no Jimmy but a he ain't that bad either. So Watson steps outside and Homma steps inside in Watson place. We do not miss a beat with the blocking. just a bit of drop off in the receiving skill set. I do not see anything really different here except a slight drop in receiving skill sets. Hill has not become what we thought he could .... just yet. making the Homma trade needed. That brings up the the glaring issue of the poor production at WR. To me that is the issue that forced the hand in the trade Now for those who actually think we got the best in this trade need to slow down a bit. Akiem is now part of the rotation as a DT not a DE. A swap of roles many here thought was the move to make with him. The Pats are tickled pink with Akiem so far. Just now is he showing an impact in the rotation at DT. He appears to be the missing cog to interior of DL for the pats. Hicks is not a pass rusher and the Pats are not asking him to that. Clog up the middle and collapse the pocket up the middle. That is what he does best. A bull rush DE was once again a futile attempt at the square peg in a round drill for the saints. As we all know he is a great Bull Rusher. The Pats are using him according to what he does well. So before people buy into this we got the better of the trade. Use this trade to sit back and judge if the saints once again try to make a player something clearly he was never meant to be. Plus Homma could have been had for much less according to rumors. So in NE they think they got the better of the trade. They are actually enjoying poking fun at what other players they can steal from the saints.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

10-30-2015, 11:48 AM	#4
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense Originally Posted by hagan714 See that is my point. Watson is the best receiving TE we have. so he steps out outside but he is no Jimmy but a he ain't that bad either. So Watson steps outside and Homma steps inside in Watson place. We do not miss a beat with the blocking. just a bit of drop off in the receiving skill set. I do not see anything really different here except a slight drop in receiving skill sets. Hill has not become what we thought he could .... just yet. making the Homma trade needed. That brings up the the glaring issue of the poor production at WR. To me that is the issue that forced the hand in the trade Now for those who actually think we got the best in this trade need to slow down a bit. Akiem is now part of the rotation as a DT not a DE. A swap of roles many here thought was the move to make with him. The Pats are tickled pink with Akiem so far. Just now is he showing an impact in the rotation at DT. He appears to be the missing cog to interior of DL for the pats. Hicks is not a pass rusher and the Pats are not asking him to that. Clog up the middle and collapse the pocket up the middle. That is what he does best. A bull rush DE was once again a futile attempt at the square peg in a round drill for the saints. As we all know he is a great Bull Rusher. The Pats are using him according to what he does well. So before people buy into this we got the better of the trade. Use this trade to sit back and judge if the saints once again try to make a player something clearly he was never meant to be. Plus Homma could have been had for much less according to rumors. So in NE they think they got the better of the trade. They are actually enjoying poking fun at what other players they can steal from the saints. So who's our DL coach again that can't seem to get this right? It's not like we could not have used him at DT, right? Still glad to have Hooze-yomama, just not crazy to have given up Hicks.

10-30-2015, 05:36 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,747	Re: How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense Originally Posted by SmashMouth So who's our DL coach again that can't seem to get this right? It's not like we could not have used him at DT, right? Still glad to have Hooze-yomama, just not crazy to have given up Hicks. We tried hicks at every D-line position while he was here, and he was mediocre at every one of them. He plays too upright.

10-29-2015, 10:47 AM	#6
jlaw8920 100th Post Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 123	Re: How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense Originally Posted by hagan714 what has he brought? A TE that is a solid blocker and allows the saints to flank Watson out wide Hmmm let me think about this Homma takes Watson role Watson takes over Jimmy role So what is exactly "new" here with this guy and the effect he has on the saints? faces have changed but the dance remains the same I'd say its new this year? Couldn't have that old system that they like in place with Hill as the blocking TE.
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10-29-2015, 08:32 AM	#7
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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,543	Re: How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense "faces have changed but the dance remains the same" Darn!! They've won 3 out of the last 4!!
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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,972 Blog Entries: 3	Re: How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense I think this is Sean's way of saying; "See Jimmy, this could have been you..." Don't care what anyone says. The hold out for "WR money" - deserved or not - was what made JG less valuable.

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darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: How one player -- Michael Hoomanawanui -- has allowed Sean Payton, Saints to add new wrinkles to offense Hooma looks solid. Versatile. Seems to do most things well. My kinda guy. Just do your job...

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