kurt warner

ssmitty · 02-16-2005, 06:48 PM

there are those who don't think he'd make a good fit here.
and even though we probably won't get him, he would be my choice.......brooks will never get us to the promise land, i admit this...... i accept it, and consider the matter closed...
although we have a decent o. line at best for the time being, i think that's more than enough for kurt to work with, but again, i'm dreaming...........(as a fan, that's all i do for the most part........) i believe with just a decent line kurt still has it to shred a defense, and with our recievers, he could......that's really not wishing for much, i could wish for brady, but that's really wishing............give me someone with heart santa.......
smitty

Saint_LB · 02-16-2005, 06:54 PM

If you really enjoy seeing QB\'s getting creamed and fumbling the ball, then he is definitely your guy!!

turbo_dog · 02-16-2005, 07:01 PM

Good call on the fumbler. Don\'t forget his mobility that rivals a dumptruck.

Saint_LB · 02-16-2005, 07:04 PM

I don\'t know if this is true or not, but people have accused him of taking a sack, rather than throwing the ball away, to keep his QB rating higher. I didn\'t say it, just heard it.

spkb25 · 02-16-2005, 07:26 PM

well as a back up i think he is fine. once again do we have a better back up? i dont think so. but can he be a starter again. im not sure but i willl say this the giants were looking ok with him in as the starter. but i think i\'d like to see him come in as a back up

FireVenturi · 02-16-2005, 08:14 PM

Yes i agree he can beat out bouman with one thumb tied behind his back

Saint_LB · 02-16-2005, 08:15 PM

well as a back up i think he is fine. once again do we have a better back up? i dont think so. but can he be a starter again. im not sure but i willl say this the giants were looking ok with him in as the starter. but i think i\'d like to see him come in as a back up

I agree, spkb, he probably would be a good back-up for AB. He might just be the perfect person. The guy did win 2 or 3 MVP\'s. He seemed to be happy when Eli performed well, and maybe that\'s just what AB needs. We could be in trouble, however, if AB got hurt and he actually had to play. He is not the QB that he once was when he was winning MVP\'s and championships. Something is wrong with the thumb, and then there\'s the concussions, and holding the ball too long. But as a mentor he would probably be a good fit.

spkb25 · 02-16-2005, 08:30 PM

hey lb i think hes a better back up then bouman. thats all i was looking at

Saint_LB · 02-16-2005, 09:14 PM

hey lb i think hes a better back up then bouman. thats all i was looking at

No doubt about it.

xan · 02-17-2005, 12:24 AM

I\'m not sure it\'s a fair assessment to make relative to Warner\'s performance in NY and his ability to succeed in (potentially) NO. I saw the Giants play for all 16 games (as I\'m doomed to watch them in the NYC area), so I might have more perspective...

Warner played on a team that had next to little talent, especially on offence. The O-line was young and makeshift and ranked 29th (while the Saints O-line was ranked 19th). His receiving corps were among the slowest and lightly regarded in the league, even with Jeremy (don\'t throw it to me when I\'m open in the end zone because I\'ll drop it) Shockey; his only real threat was Tikki Barber. Teams lined up 9 in the box and went hell bent for leather at him. Sure he fumbled 12 times (losing 4) and he wasn\'t mobile, but most of the sacks he suffered he had no shot to even throw the ball away. He fumbled more as a result of taking a beating (39 sacks in 9 games) due to injuries in the O-line.

Accross the board, his numbers were better than Brooks, 6% higher completion rate, higher YPA, and he threw fewer interceptions (comparitavely) and threw even fewer when behind. The Warner Giants weren\'t in the redzone very often, but converted about the same rate, with a better mix of run and pass. His overall Time of possession, especially in the critical 1st half, was significantly better than the Saints by ALMOST 4 MINUTES.

He ran a high efficiency, ball control offence that featured run first, passing second. Why wouldn\'t one want to have a two time MVP with an ACCURATE arm, play management skills plus his TEAM FIRST attitude run a Saints team that Haslett seemingly wants to have???

If Leon was half a man, he\'d pick up the challenge and ask for Warner to back him up. At least Warner will try to make him look as good as Leon can.

02-16-2005, 06:48 PM	#1
ssmitty 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,879	kurt warner there are those who don't think he'd make a good fit here. and even though we probably won't get him, he would be my choice.......brooks will never get us to the promise land, i admit this...... i accept it, and consider the matter closed... although we have a decent o. line at best for the time being, i think that's more than enough for kurt to work with, but again, i'm dreaming...........(as a fan, that's all i do for the most part........) i believe with just a decent line kurt still has it to shred a defense, and with our recievers, he could......that's really not wishing for much, i could wish for brady, but that's really wishing............give me someone with heart santa....... smitty
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02-16-2005, 06:54 PM	#2
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	kurt warner If you really enjoy seeing QB\'s getting creamed and fumbling the ball, then he is definitely your guy!!
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02-16-2005, 07:01 PM	#3
turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	kurt warner Good call on the fumbler. Don\'t forget his mobility that rivals a dumptruck.

02-16-2005, 07:04 PM	#4
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	kurt warner I don\'t know if this is true or not, but people have accused him of taking a sack, rather than throwing the ball away, to keep his QB rating higher. I didn\'t say it, just heard it.
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02-16-2005, 07:26 PM	#5
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	kurt warner well as a back up i think he is fine. once again do we have a better back up? i dont think so. but can he be a starter again. im not sure but i willl say this the giants were looking ok with him in as the starter. but i think i\'d like to see him come in as a back up

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02-16-2005, 08:14 PM	#6
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	kurt warner Yes i agree he can beat out bouman with one thumb tied behind his back

02-16-2005, 08:15 PM	#7
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	kurt warner well as a back up i think he is fine. once again do we have a better back up? i dont think so. but can he be a starter again. im not sure but i willl say this the giants were looking ok with him in as the starter. but i think i\'d like to see him come in as a back up I agree, spkb, he probably would be a good back-up for AB. He might just be the perfect person. The guy did win 2 or 3 MVP\'s. He seemed to be happy when Eli performed well, and maybe that\'s just what AB needs. We could be in trouble, however, if AB got hurt and he actually had to play. He is not the QB that he once was when he was winning MVP\'s and championships. Something is wrong with the thumb, and then there\'s the concussions, and holding the ball too long. But as a mentor he would probably be a good fit.
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02-16-2005, 08:30 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	kurt warner hey lb i think hes a better back up then bouman. thats all i was looking at

02-16-2005, 09:14 PM	#9
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	kurt warner hey lb i think hes a better back up then bouman. thats all i was looking at No doubt about it.
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02-17-2005, 12:24 AM	#10
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,369 Blog Entries: 34	kurt warner I\'m not sure it\'s a fair assessment to make relative to Warner\'s performance in NY and his ability to succeed in (potentially) NO. I saw the Giants play for all 16 games (as I\'m doomed to watch them in the NYC area), so I might have more perspective... Warner played on a team that had next to little talent, especially on offence. The O-line was young and makeshift and ranked 29th (while the Saints O-line was ranked 19th). His receiving corps were among the slowest and lightly regarded in the league, even with Jeremy (don\'t throw it to me when I\'m open in the end zone because I\'ll drop it) Shockey; his only real threat was Tikki Barber. Teams lined up 9 in the box and went hell bent for leather at him. Sure he fumbled 12 times (losing 4) and he wasn\'t mobile, but most of the sacks he suffered he had no shot to even throw the ball away. He fumbled more as a result of taking a beating (39 sacks in 9 games) due to injuries in the O-line. Accross the board, his numbers were better than Brooks, 6% higher completion rate, higher YPA, and he threw fewer interceptions (comparitavely) and threw even fewer when behind. The Warner Giants weren\'t in the redzone very often, but converted about the same rate, with a better mix of run and pass. His overall Time of possession, especially in the critical 1st half, was significantly better than the Saints by ALMOST 4 MINUTES. He ran a high efficiency, ball control offence that featured run first, passing second. Why wouldn\'t one want to have a two time MVP with an ACCURATE arm, play management skills plus his TEAM FIRST attitude run a Saints team that Haslett seemingly wants to have??? If Leon was half a man, he\'d pick up the challenge and ask for Warner to back him up. At least Warner will try to make him look as good as Leon can.
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