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I was heavily leaning towards him being fired after last season. He got another chance. Same results. I am in favor of firing him right now. Enough. Browner, he is who he is and that is what we got. No brainer right there. Stupid signing. I didn't get why you bring in a flag master. His penalties are so blatant. We will be getting a new DC. We are also not making the playoffs so might as well get one right now and get it over with.

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Hell... I could do better. :mad:

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I'm about 100 lbs. and a biscuit shy of a 50 gallon drum stomach required to fill Rob Ryan's shoes.

Seriously, I've offered to shuttle plays direct from Live chat but the organization has rejected my offer twice. Crowd-coaching....

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And your house isn't sinking into the dirt like his. ;)

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Can't help but wonder from afar that there are two (2) schools of thought, philosophies about defense in the Saints organization (before Dennis Allen's arrival)...

Question I want asked, pressed by the media is "why did we draft and make moves for 3-4 personnel and then decide to reverse course after the Cam Jordan contract extension?"

This backstory is a best selling book among Saints' Nation right now...

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I would like to go in the college direction for a new DC. I wouldn't mind giving the DC for Alabama a call,and whoever seen that game against LSU this weekend knows exactly what I'm talking about. I know LSU isn't an offensive juggernaut, but Fournette was averaging 190 yards a game and they held him to 36 yards. Most of those yards came from one good run. That's what a good DC does. Outstanding job.

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How about me? I played some DB in school.
I'll play for a fraction of what he makes.

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Defense is young and now wounded. I keep Ryan. The game was lost by the TEAM. Special teams. Fumble....turns into points. Missed field goal....game goes into overtime. In scoring position....interception. Important drive...holding penalty by Cooks. Get off Ryans back. It's a whole team thing. Never did like scapegoating.

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I wil not get off his back. He cannot put a constant product on the field. Before it was..wait..we are about to explode. And we did..for a whopping 2 weeks. Now last week and this week our DB's are back looking lost and a step behind. Our front line never even TOUCHED the QB??? How does that even even happen? I know the answer and I know a bunch on hear know the answer.Its called preperation, game planning. This was a 1-6 team. Do you see the Patriots or Greenbays of the world losing to 1-6 teams? Never.

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Sorry but Rob needs to be fired immediately. The tackling was atrocious, we can't catch easy interceptions (Byrd and Kennan blunder), that TE for the Titans gets a gift and runs for 50 yards, Hawthorne in coverage on Harry Douglas and Browner ... Browner ... Browner, Jesus. Why this guy hasn't been benched is beyond my comprehension.

Not saying that Allen is the answer but it definitely isn't Rob. He has no game plan. We need serious help on defense & dysfunction starts at the top.

No we will not get off Rob's back x-(. This is embarrassing.

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Yeah I agree, I like Ryan, but the numbers don't lie. Time to go

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One of the dumbest posts I have read in a while... of course teddy gives it a like... is that you teddy? Lol

If you only watched this single game then maybe all those excuses you made up would work, but this is nothing new for ryan. The last year and a half we have had the worst defense in the nfl, hell there are college D's that are better.

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I don't think its a knee jerk reaction to fire him now.

I mean this has been going on for 2 seasons now WTF.

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You're right about it being a team loss. But, when your team has weak areas it's the responsibility of the organization to do what's necessary to correct them. Ignoring the problem only allows it to get worse or fester.

If the offense was struggling and ranked at the bottom of the NFL (like our defense) I would be calling for Sean Payton to give up playcalling duties.

When Rob struggled in his second year I was one of the first people to say he needs another year to prove himself based off how good he was his first year. We're now halfway through this year and I haven't seen much improvement. What's more concerning is that it doesn't appear to matter who's in the game, our defense just isn't playing well period. Blown coverages and wacky mistakes continue to happen. Don't get me wrong, the players share some of that blame but part of being a coach is knowing what your players are good at and what they're not and scheming around their talents. Rob doesn't appear to be doing that.

I would be shocked if Rob is still the d coordinator coming out of the bye week.

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Not just the last 2 seasons. I posted this on another thread:

Check out RR's rankings as a DefCoor. In 11 seasons, his defenses have been ranked in the bottom half of the league 9 times. Four of those years, his defense was ranked in the bottom 4. Numbers don't lie.
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That's kind of the dilemma I've talked about before.
I think the fact that we will have to let RR go is academic. Consider it's already happened. Why keep him around? He gave us a booster after Spags, then last year we stunk again. In 2015, I would have cut ties and brought in another professional with experience. To heck with reputation and defensive "coaching carousel" talk. We're trying to WIN and not win a reputation contest.

In fact, if we keep RR after this season and we finish 2015 below 20th ranked in the NFL on defense, either we let him go or it will look poorly on SP because who can take SP seriously? No hard feelings, but RR shouldn't be here. Tired of excuses, lost draft picks etc. We need to make sure coach is not part of the problem. RR has a poor poor coaching history, period!

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Rob's defense in Dallas needed healthy starters and constantly losing Claiborne and Lee to injuries hurt. We have injuries now. Thats the RR system, relying on starters.

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the defense is train wreck. even healthy? got no clue. Boot a bunch of vets and bring in the young pups, what would you expect? yada yada yada

It is a freaking train wreck. The players on the field are the survivors running for their lives. Some make it to safety. Others end up going down in flames as this defense burns out of control on the field.

As the fire rages you want me to start looking for a silver lining or who to to blame?

Silver lining? ask me at bye week after the smoke clears from my eyes and my tears stop flowing. It is all a blur to me right now and it just to painful to open my eyes and watch. the horror of it all

Blame is simple, it is the :deadhorse2: slowly cooking on the side lines at about the 50. Or is that a scapegoat? What difference does it really make in the end. That is what they are serving us for lunch one day soon with a side of media sugar coated spin.

A Spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
The medicine go down-wown
The medicine go down
Just a spoonful of sugar helps the medicine go down
In a most delightful way

I am telling you this defense is just to ugly to watch without mentally losing it.

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I have no idea why Payton goes for these DC's with bad track records

He had the chance to get Wade Phillips, Romeo Crennel or Jack Del Rio and he went with Rob Ryan.

Coincidentally all 3 coaches named above are fielding very good defenses now.

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We have put too much money into players that can't perform. It's almost like there is something's wrong with our talent scouting personnel. I really think the "creative" mind of Loomis has been more like our Government. Spending money we don't have on "products" that don't work.

I will be honest. I haven't been excited about this year, at all.

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I'm confident Jeff Ireland and his staff will get this turned around.

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As soon as Ireland was hired we draft Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Tyler Davison and Damian Swann

4 defensive guys that have showed huge promise for seasons to come, not to mention PJ Williams.

We are a young team, that's why we need a capable head coach and DC to point us in the right direction.

In my opinion, Neither Payton nor Rob Ryan are the right guys to the do that.

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thank you!

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if SP doesn't clean house of the defensive coaching staff this offseason, he never will and his loyalty to incompetent coaches baffles me

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The only problem could be if SP heads for the door himself then it's pretty academic that a whole new regime will be in place.

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There is plenty of blame to go around. Starting with the collegiate and pro scouting departments followed by the position coaches. We pick poorly in the draft and have no idea how to develop talent. We draft players to fit a 3-4 defense the last few years and now we field a 4-3(or some version of it). Our FA evaluation has been questionable at best. I realize that we do a lot of shopping in the second tier of free agency but still we should evaluate talent better and be able to find players who fit the system.

When Payton came here he brought a list of coaches and assistants who could help him here. His team was very successful and so his assistants received enough recognition to move up in other organizations. Unfortunately, his replacements haven't been nearly as effective and we no longer bring in and develop talent. Nearly everyone of our position coaches should get their walking papers. The O-line sucks. The D-line sucks. Yeah, even the LB'ers suck under Joe Vitt. The secondary sucks. Did I mention special teams suck?:censored:

Ireland knew we had an opening in the FO and called asking for an interview. We'll see how he follows up this draft and hopefully, he'll be the real deal and hold Payton to a different standard.

Benson needs to hire a team of professionals right now to investigate the winning teams and their employees contracts. We need to bring in strong young leadership from established programs that know how to get things done properly. Not necessarily a guys coach that the players love like Ryan is. Give me a tough guy from a great organization whether it's from the NFL or a collegiate program that have similarities. Stop bringing in coaches that were good years ago but can't win now.

Should we fire Rex Ryan? Who's going to replace him? Allen? Halo? Start looking outside for their replacements now and roll the dice on the interim coach and fire Rex Ryan.

Did I mention that the whole front office also bears the responsibility of fielding a defense that has consistently been at the bottom of the league?:monkey:

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Boldness Prediction - Either Rob Ryan or Dennis Allen will be out as "co-defensive coordinator*" during, after the bye week...

*not exact titles, but you get the general idea

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The "direction" needs course correction - no doubt...

We just need stronger personalities "in-house" (definitely stronger than Loomis) to stand up to Payton and guide him away from some of his extreme sheer genius/madness f***-ups...

Beginning with tearing the "reverse" plays from the playbook, cross-shredding them, and having said shreds placed in a dumpster, set afire...

I'd then having him sign a commitment to a base 3-4 and finish staffing the defense this offseason...