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mikesaintfan 11-12-2015 07:59 AM

2016 first round pick
 
Can we please draft a Beast? A true monster WR like Calvin Johnson or Dez Bryant or a centerpiece LB or a fear instilling Defensive End...Someone who can DOMINATE a game...that's what I want...not a 1A type player... Thoughts?

Mr.Riaton 11-12-2015 08:13 AM

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After this past draft,I believe we'll have better luck with upcoming drafts. We did pretty good this year. I also believe Kikaha will be our beast DE/LB.

jeanpierre 11-12-2015 08:26 AM

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Luck or, Fortune favors the prepared man...

Jeff Ireland now tempers our steel for the draft...

jlaw8920 11-12-2015 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mikesaintfan (Post 680575)
Can we please draft a Beast? A true monster WR like Calvin Johnson or Dez Bryant or a centerpiece LB or a fear instilling Defensive End...Someone who can DOMINATE a game...that's what I want...not a 1A type player... Thoughts?

I feel like we have a "centerpiece LB" in Anthony. He has played about as good as a rookie Mike LB can be. He is 16th in combined tackles, has 5 pass def, and 1 interception.

I did see one mock that had us getting Coleman from Baylor. It would be great for offense, but thats not always the problem. I would love to see us get Shaq Lawson if possible. Cam on one side and Shaq on the other, and maybe upgrade at DT with later pick.

However, I really feel we need better CBs, yet we fail to draft that position well. Hopefully a strong front 7 can make up for that?

dizzle88 11-12-2015 08:37 AM

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I believe in Jeff Ireland leading the draft, he found some very good players in the last one.

We need a true playmaker, a JJ Watt, Gerald McCoy type player. Cam Jordan is okay but he's not that player.

On offense we still have plenty of holes, O line is absolutely terrible apart from Armstead
We have no true Number 1 WR which is glaringly obvious
We also have to think of life after Brees, if there is a QB who is a can't miss guy, do we go for him?

Rugby Saint II 11-12-2015 03:02 PM

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We need a true 3-4 NT to get in the backfield.

hagan714 11-12-2015 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 680617)
We need a true 3-4 NT to get in the backfield.

I am sticking with a pick no worse than 15th and no better than 20th baring a miracle. .

So pigs in the trenches is a great place to start

ChrisXVI 11-12-2015 04:19 PM

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We so badly need a pass rushing DT. Sadly, I don't really see any in this draft. In other words, BRING BACK TYRUNN WALKER.

burningmetal 11-12-2015 04:49 PM

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Whatever mock has us taking Coleman had better be wrong. He has prolific numbers, but it's in an offense that produces lots of prolific stats, against the lesser teams on it's schedule, and more importantly the players very rarely have gone on to have success in the NFL.

The biggest problem I have with him, though, is that he's a Brandin Cooks body type. We already have him. If we're going to draft a WR he needs to be a more physical presence. But really we need O-line help before WR.

Defensively, if I am to believe that the young guys will mature and get better, than there's no question in my mind that DT is top priority. I'm just not quite sure who best fills that role yet. Robert Nkemdiche gets all the hype, but I kind of like Montravius Adams better. He's quicker and seems like he has a better ability to both stop the run and rush the passer. I have heard some negative things about his motor, though.

Adams is more likely to be available to us, however. Despite our poor defense it does not look like we'll be picking in the top 10.

ChrisXVI 11-12-2015 05:02 PM

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Burningmetal, you're hitting the nail on the head brother. Great post.

burningmetal 11-12-2015 05:08 PM

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I appreciate it, good sir. I really hope they do find the right guy if they go DT. We've had terrible luck drafting DT's.

halloween 65 11-12-2015 05:53 PM

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I would go with OT in the 1st them a mean mugging type of a NT in the 2nd and in the 3rd a thumper type ILB to help shore up the problem of a gaping hole we always have in the middle, basically stop the run and acquire a pass rush to boot.4th RT, Strief want last forever. I would trade Jordan for high picks and with those I would get a big body WR(Colston type) and a CB. Got to see if this plays out but it could fill major holes.

Danno 11-12-2015 06:47 PM

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Draft picks are so hit and miss, depending on one to become a stud at a position of need is a recipe for failure.

The best formula is to address weaknesses in free agency and draft the BPA when its your turn.

ChrisXVI 11-12-2015 07:35 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 680643)
Draft picks are so hit and miss, depending on one to become a stud at a position of need is a recipe for failure.

The best formula is to address weaknesses in free agency and draft the BPA when its your turn.

Agreed. That's why I say bring back Tyrunn Walker in free agency! We wouldn't have to rely on a rookie to fix our defense.

burningmetal 11-12-2015 07:57 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 680643)
Draft picks are so hit and miss, depending on one to become a stud at a position of need is a recipe for failure.

The best formula is to address weaknesses in free agency and draft the BPA when its your turn.

Yeah they are hit and miss, but what money do we have to upgrade in free agency? To me, when you have glaring holes you need to go after those needs in the draft. If we get the best player available and he's not a player you need, what does he do for the team? In theory, he adds depth, but going back to every draft pick being a crap shoot there's no guarantee the best player available works out.

If they find a way to bring someone in during free agency, then great. If they don't, I would like to see a DT or top O-lineman if at all possible.

ChrisXVI 11-12-2015 08:09 PM

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You know what... I think it depends on the coaches. A team like the Packers has no problem relying on the draft and hardly ever signing FA's. Us on the other hand... Well we kinda suck at both approaches.

K Major 11-12-2015 08:28 PM

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I can only recall one solid defense Sean has had during his tenure (ball hawks and lots of turnovers), sprinkle in a few years of average defenses and the rest have been hot garbage.

2015 is shaping up to be SP worst defense ever. Something has gotta change. A freak DT would be welcomed.

st thomas 11-12-2015 09:45 PM

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just a freak , a nomad, a leader of all leaders a me in my mind. J.K.

WillSaints81 11-13-2015 01:31 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 680626)
Whatever mock has us taking Coleman had better be wrong. He has prolific numbers, but it's in an offense that produces lots of prolific stats, against the lesser teams on it's schedule, and more importantly the players very rarely have gone on to have success in the NFL.

The biggest problem I have with him, though, is that he's a Brandin Cooks body type. We already have him. If we're going to draft a WR he needs to be a more physical presence. But really we need O-line help before WR.

Defensively, if I am to believe that the young guys will mature and get better, than there's no question in my mind that DT is top priority. I'm just not quite sure who best fills that role yet. Robert Nkemdiche gets all the hype, but I kind of like Montravius Adams better. He's quicker and seems like he has a better ability to both stop the run and rush the passer. I have heard some negative things about his motor, though.

Adams is more likely to be available to us, however. Despite our poor defense it does not look like we'll be picking in the top 10.

I had to look at the two schools for those players and yes Adams would be better. I mean Nkemdiche just got blown up by Arkansas.

WillSaints81 11-13-2015 01:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 680643)
Draft picks are so hit and miss, depending on one to become a stud at a position of need is a recipe for failure.

The best formula is to address weaknesses in free agency and draft the BPA when its your turn.

In recent years not many first round draft picks have been busts other than qb. The draft may be a crapshoot from players drafted from division I schools that are not among the best defensive and offensive(no system) teams and in the SEC. By this point looking at the school and their history is a better evaluation of talent. Plus look at the players tapes against the bigger schools.

hagan714 11-13-2015 03:23 AM

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draft according to need vs Best Player Available

Ahhh the Life long debate rages on

I am BPA first type of guy myself. Never draft to fill a need unless the BPA fills that need.

but that's just me


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