Saints Are the #1 Offense WITHOUT Jimmy Graham? How Did That Happen?

burningmetal · 11-12-2015, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Of course we have the number 1 offense*. We start every drive on the 20 and have 80 yards to go every drive as our defense is asuch use as trying to stop a leak with a sieve

(*NFL stupidity in claiming the team with most yards is best offense over points scored)

So an 80 yard drive is bad by the offense? I agree that being number in yards doesn't necessarily make you the best offense, but in the last 4 weeks or so it's been about as good as any.

We've had a few years where we lead in yards and not in points. So in other words, things haven't changed much. People said it would without Jimmy. The same people who forgot that we won a super bowl without him.

halloween 65 · 11-12-2015, 06:39 PM

Graham was a product of Paytons system. #1 or not the O-line is still shaky.

Danno · 11-12-2015, 07:44 PM

Saints Are the #1 Offense WITHOUT Jimmy Graham? How Did That Happen?

I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW!!!!!

pherein · 11-12-2015, 08:58 PM

We have the 6-7th offense when using PPG or total points. More accurate, YPG doesnt mean much.
But thats never going to mean much either when you also have the most incompetent defence for the last 10 years.

burningmetal · 11-12-2015, 09:30 PM

The offense could be more efficient. They don't pass or run block well, so that hurts quite a bit, obviously. But I find it interesting that when offenses struggle, everyone talks about how it hurts the defense because they wear down. That is true, though not an excuse to be dead last in defense as we were when the our offense was struggling (and we've seen just how that D looks when we DO play well on offense... Pretty much the same right now).

Yet nobody ever mentions how when the defense fails to get off the field, the offense has less possessions. That also effects how many points your offense can score. The line play is our biggest issue, but having a defense bleed to death doesn't help. And they can't use the excuse of not getting rest. It seems obvious, but it's never talked about.

WHODATINCA · 11-12-2015, 10:20 PM

Who here was calling for trading Drew? Fess up.

Drew Brees would probably be a good quarterback in a wheelchair. But, seriously -- if we don't start protecting him -- he will be in one.

pherein · 11-12-2015, 11:17 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

The offense could be more efficient. They don't pass or run block well, so that hurts quite a bit, obviously. But I find it interesting that when offenses struggle, everyone talks about how it hurts the defense because they wear down. That is true, though not an excuse to be dead last in defense as we were when the our offense was struggling (and we've seen just how that D looks when we DO play well on offense... Pretty much the same right now).

Yet nobody ever mentions how when the defense fails to get off the field, the offense has less possessions. That also effects how many points your offense can score. The line play is our biggest issue, but having a defense bleed to death doesn't help. And they can't use the excuse of not getting rest. It seems obvious, but it's never talked about.

You pegged the big one. Our defense loses most games becuase they bleed the clock to death. Everyone claps when we get a 3 and out on our 40, or just a field goal but they forget that 5-7 minutes just came off the clock. I keep on talking about this, and glad someone sees it. Its the #1 problem with the defense.
I also believe most teams offenses get hot later because they have so much time to on the field to figure things out.

foreverfan · 11-12-2015, 11:48 PM

hagan714 · 11-13-2015, 04:37 AM

The system is solid on offense. saints do it with smoke and mirrors. that and everyone forgot about Watson. that helps a whole lot.

burningmetal · 11-13-2015, 04:45 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

The system is solid on offense. saints do it with smoke and mirrors. that and everyone forgot about Watson. that helps a whole lot.

People forgot about him because the Saints refused to use him before this year. I had dreams of a two tight end system similar to what the Patriots have had at times but, once again, they just ignored Watson like they did with so many others and forced the ball to Jimmy. I'm glad Ben is having the kind of year he's having, not only because it obviously helps us, but even more so because he's showing Payton what a stubborn butt hole he was for not using him.

11-12-2015, 06:36 PM	#11
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Are the #1 Offense WITHOUT Jimmy Graham? How Did That Happen? Originally Posted by lee909 Of course we have the number 1 offense. We start every drive on the 20 and have 80 yards to go every drive as our defense is asuch use as trying to stop a leak with a sieve (NFL stupidity in claiming the team with most yards is best offense over points scored) So an 80 yard drive is bad by the offense? I agree that being number in yards doesn't necessarily make you the best offense, but in the last 4 weeks or so it's been about as good as any. We've had a few years where we lead in yards and not in points. So in other words, things haven't changed much. People said it would without Jimmy. The same people who forgot that we won a super bowl without him.

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pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Are the #1 Offense WITHOUT Jimmy Graham? How Did That Happen? We have the 6-7th offense when using PPG or total points. More accurate, YPG doesnt mean much. But thats never going to mean much either when you also have the most incompetent defence for the last 10 years.

11-12-2015, 09:30 PM	#15
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Are the #1 Offense WITHOUT Jimmy Graham? How Did That Happen? The offense could be more efficient. They don't pass or run block well, so that hurts quite a bit, obviously. But I find it interesting that when offenses struggle, everyone talks about how it hurts the defense because they wear down. That is true, though not an excuse to be dead last in defense as we were when the our offense was struggling (and we've seen just how that D looks when we DO play well on offense... Pretty much the same right now). Yet nobody ever mentions how when the defense fails to get off the field, the offense has less possessions. That also effects how many points your offense can score. The line play is our biggest issue, but having a defense bleed to death doesn't help. And they can't use the excuse of not getting rest. It seems obvious, but it's never talked about. pherein likes this.
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pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Are the #1 Offense WITHOUT Jimmy Graham? How Did That Happen? Originally Posted by burningmetal The offense could be more efficient. They don't pass or run block well, so that hurts quite a bit, obviously. But I find it interesting that when offenses struggle, everyone talks about how it hurts the defense because they wear down. That is true, though not an excuse to be dead last in defense as we were when the our offense was struggling (and we've seen just how that D looks when we DO play well on offense... Pretty much the same right now). Yet nobody ever mentions how when the defense fails to get off the field, the offense has less possessions. That also effects how many points your offense can score. The line play is our biggest issue, but having a defense bleed to death doesn't help. And they can't use the excuse of not getting rest. It seems obvious, but it's never talked about. You pegged the big one. Our defense loses most games becuase they bleed the clock to death. Everyone claps when we get a 3 and out on our 40, or just a field goal but they forget that 5-7 minutes just came off the clock. I keep on talking about this, and glad someone sees it. Its the #1 problem with the defense. I also believe most teams offenses get hot later because they have so much time to on the field to figure things out. burningmetal and brees84 like this.

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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints Are the #1 Offense WITHOUT Jimmy Graham? How Did That Happen? Originally Posted by hagan714 The system is solid on offense. saints do it with smoke and mirrors. that and everyone forgot about Watson. that helps a whole lot. People forgot about him because the Saints refused to use him before this year. I had dreams of a two tight end system similar to what the Patriots have had at times but, once again, they just ignored Watson like they did with so many others and forced the ball to Jimmy. I'm glad Ben is having the kind of year he's having, not only because it obviously helps us, but even more so because he's showing Payton what a stubborn butt hole he was for not using him. hagan714, dizzle88 and pherein like this.

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