How the Saints' defense became the worst in the NFL, again

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-21-2015, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I agree about the square pegs in round holes, but I disagree about the 3-4 and about Jordan. Cam is one of the best DE's in the NFL and they are very hard to come by. He's equally effective in a 3-4 as he is in 4-3.

To me, Davison looks like a great 3-tech in a 4-3, with the ability to play the NT (4-3) as well.

To me, the future looks like a 4-3 with Jenkins at nose and Davison at the 3 tech, Cam and Richardson on the ends.

Obviously Anthony at MLB, with Kikaha at SLB and Ellerbe at WLB.

I say we stick to a base 4-3 (occasionally mixing in some 3-4) and focus on upgrading OLB and the DE on the other side of Cam.

So help me understand. You propose this front 7:

Jordan Davison Jenkins Richardson
Ellerbe Anthony Kikaha

Now that's 7 players that we currently have on the roster, right?
Yet there has been no consistent pass rush or run stoppage from this, or any other front 7 group of personnel.

So how exactly what is going to improve to significantly change the performance of this proposed front 7 with no significant personnel changes?

SFIAH

Danno · 11-21-2015, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

So help me understand. You propose this front 7:

Jordan Davison Jenkins Richardson
Ellerbe Anthony Kikaha

Now that's 7 players that we currently have on the roster, right?
Yet there has been no consistent pass rush or run stoppage from this, or any other front 7 group of personnel.

So how exactly what is going to improve to significantly change the performance of this proposed front 7 with no significant personnel changes?

SFIAH

And those players in a 3-4 would change how?

We fired our DC. My guess is because he was a bad DC, meaning he couldn't get his talent to perform.

My post was about which scheme best fit our players. It had nothing to do with how bad they played under Rob Ryan.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-21-2015, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

And those players in a 3-4 would change how?

I have no idea. My gut is telling me that the defense is going to be bad with the existing personnel regardless of scheme.

We fired our DC. My guess is because he was a bad DC, meaning he couldn't get his talent to perform.

I don't think that it's that simple. Usually firing coaches is a function of the fact that players cannot easily be fired due to their contracts negotiated under the CBA. You cannot get rid of the players, so get rid of the coach.

My post was about which scheme best fit our players. It had nothing to do with how bad they played under Rob Ryan.

I understand. I pitched an entire thread asking the same question.

SFIAH

11-21-2015, 11:31 AM	#1
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: How the Saints' defense became the worst in the NFL, again Originally Posted by Danno I agree about the square pegs in round holes, but I disagree about the 3-4 and about Jordan. Cam is one of the best DE's in the NFL and they are very hard to come by. He's equally effective in a 3-4 as he is in 4-3. To me, Davison looks like a great 3-tech in a 4-3, with the ability to play the NT (4-3) as well. To me, the future looks like a 4-3 with Jenkins at nose and Davison at the 3 tech, Cam and Richardson on the ends. Obviously Anthony at MLB, with Kikaha at SLB and Ellerbe at WLB. I say we stick to a base 4-3 (occasionally mixing in some 3-4) and focus on upgrading OLB and the DE on the other side of Cam. So help me understand. You propose this front 7: Jordan Davison Jenkins Richardson Ellerbe Anthony Kikaha Now that's 7 players that we currently have on the roster, right? Yet there has been no consistent pass rush or run stoppage from this, or any other front 7 group of personnel. So how exactly what is going to improve to significantly change the performance of this proposed front 7 with no significant personnel changes? SFIAH jeanpierre and K Major like this.

11-21-2015, 03:11 PM	#2
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: How the Saints' defense became the worst in the NFL, again Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL So help me understand. You propose this front 7: Jordan Davison Jenkins Richardson Ellerbe Anthony Kikaha Now that's 7 players that we currently have on the roster, right? Yet there has been no consistent pass rush or run stoppage from this, or any other front 7 group of personnel. So how exactly what is going to improve to significantly change the performance of this proposed front 7 with no significant personnel changes? SFIAH And those players in a 3-4 would change how? We fired our DC. My guess is because he was a bad DC, meaning he couldn't get his talent to perform. My post was about which scheme best fit our players. It had nothing to do with how bad they played under Rob Ryan.

11-21-2015, 08:07 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,789	Re: How the Saints' defense became the worst in the NFL, again Originally Posted by Danno And those players in a 3-4 would change how? I have no idea. My gut is telling me that the defense is going to be bad with the existing personnel regardless of scheme. We fired our DC. My guess is because he was a bad DC, meaning he couldn't get his talent to perform. I don't think that it's that simple. Usually firing coaches is a function of the fact that players cannot easily be fired due to their contracts negotiated under the CBA. You cannot get rid of the players, so get rid of the coach. My post was about which scheme best fit our players. It had nothing to do with how bad they played under Rob Ryan. I understand. I pitched an entire thread asking the same question. SFIAH jeanpierre and K Major like this.

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