WillSaints81

So what is the main consensus on the defense. Everyone has different opinions.

Some say we have no talent and others say we do.

Some say that certain players need to be benched and others say they need discipline.

Some said RR was bad because he was too friendly and didn't get in the players' faces.

It seems nobody has a clear opinion on this defense's problems. May the most knowledgeable person about this speak up in this thread.

ChrisXVI

This thread is doomed lol.

VegasSaint9

I think there's talent on this team just not elite talent. We don't have an aaron donald, or a Cj mosely, or a Justin houston, or an earl thomas. I think if we were in position to draft Danny shelton over Andrus Peat this would be a top 15 defense. There's no interior pass rush. When the secondary is healthy they can be pretty good. Damian Swann and Breaux are miracles in themselves.

WillSaints81

Well I will give you my take. Seeing as I have been on the game chat and threads every week. I hear people constantly say he dropped that pick, he should have tackled him. which leads me to believe the players are not doing what they are supposed to do.

We have had injuries, yes. But everyone else has them too. The problem has been the guy who should be the captain of our defense, Ellerbe, is hurt.

The one other reason I may give is we may have too many cooks. Pick 1 leader as that's how most defenses work. We lost Vilma and since we have not had someone step up. It is not going to be Browner, so it leaves Ellerbe because Byrd doesn't have the backbone and Jordan is still rather young to be a captain. With Ellerbe hurt, his presence on Sunday is not as effective unless they let him help on the sidelines like Vilma did.

Also, one too often the 10 yards off the line I hear the players play. Is that got to do with RR's playbook or the players? That's what we will know tomorrow. If the players don't play far off the line they may be in position to make more plays.

saintfan

Plenty of talent. Missing a few pieces.

The Dude

Seems like we have talent but these players arent being played to their potential because of scheme. We get a good pass rusher and a little depth along the line and we would be easily middle of the pack. Our secondary believe it or not is one of the most talented out there as far as personnel. Our LBers will finally be decent come next year. Get us a pass rusher and a coach who can play these guys to their strengths and we would be fine.

rezburna

Josh Norman and Prince Amukamara please.

halloween 65

Our D just doesn't do what they are paid for. Although sqare pegs in round holes aren't getting it either.

WillSaints81

I don't think we're going to get a top 15 pick next draft. If that's why we suck because we don't get a high pick well the FO should have drafted Perryman or McKinney. We have a wierdo for a scout now and he will not draft a single player we will know by name. Look at last draft. None of us saw those picks coming.

I have been talking about the SEC/ACC strategy for a while now. Kikahaha is gonna be good but if he was gonna take a season to really be big then we should have went for someone with better impact. I mean I don't know but we could have gotten Shaq.

RailBoss

Optimistic about Allen and what improvements he can instill.