Gloomis has to go Thread

WillSaints81 · 11-30-2015, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Dude, what people really want is 'ole Payton back, not old Payton (sans the double reverse play calls)...

The real liability has been Loomis; who has never really built a team nor plan to keep a fortunate team together...

Loomis never solved the cap problem he created, but kicked the can down the road, delaying dealing with the cap...

In addition, a strong GM, nay, a leader, would've walked into Payton's office and convinced SP that many of his assistants needed replacement...

(i.e. Vitt, Johnson, Engalls, McMahon)

With regards to player personnel, free agents and draftees, the overall record has been abysmal...

Payton finally addressed the problem, making room for Ireland, and even came before the public stating there'd be changes...

And yet, the free agents brought in or re-signed just prior have become real liabilities...

Note: With the exception of Mark Ingram, who after being for the most part a first round draft-bust, has become a quality NFL starting running back...

So for failing to solve the salary cap problem, failing to check his head coach on his staff, and for failing to stock the team with competitive talent, Mickey Loomis should be thanked for his services and given his parting gifts...

Free agents are different than college players. No one said Ireland was successful in scouting free agents. That's why he got fired in Miami as a GM.

WillSaints81 · 11-29-2015, 08:58 PM

Brees needs to go then. I don't want him playing for a loser. He could be a major improvement for Denver over Manning and get that second ring.

I think Rivers is a suitable replacement. I won't drink the kool-aid anymore Rivers played better than Brees did in SD. Rivers is probably done in SD after this season. Palmer is showing in Arizona what a veteran qb could do. I will not sit back and allow Drew Brees have just one ring and have his late years as a saint crapped on by Cam Newton.

Crusader · 11-29-2015, 10:58 PM

Fire Benson! And the Govenor!

QBREES9 · 11-29-2015, 11:12 PM

The rebuild has begun.

Halo · 11-30-2015, 05:53 AM

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skymike · 11-30-2015, 06:50 AM

Im hugely disappointed / frustrated, as is everyone else.

I dont know who the sacrificial goat should be. I thought Rob Ryan filled that role for us already.

I dont believe Payton got stupid overnight. Is he committed to winning, or
focused? Who knows. Will him and Loomis ever build an NFL- worthy defense?
I dont know.

If I were going to select a singular solution, my guess is build an O-Line. I think possessing the ball and scoring would fix much of whats wrong with our Defense, or at least take us to where we were, when we were winning.

WillSaints81 · 11-30-2015, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

Im hugely disappointed / frustrated, as is everyone else.

I dont know who the sacrificial goat should be. I thought Rob Ryan filled that role for us already.

I dont believe Payton got stupid overnight. Is he committed to winning, or
focused? Who knows. Will him and Loomis ever build an NFL- worthy defense?
I dont know.

If I were going to select a singular solution, my guess is build an O-Line. I think possessing the ball and scoring would fix much of whats wrong with our Defense, or at least take us to where we were, when we were winning.

Exactly the offense used to lead the defense. Remember when we were down 21-10 in Miami, I don't recall any complaining about our defense then? If Brees cannot be the player he was in that season then we need weapons to help him become that. If we were up three TDs instead of two on NE that year BB does not bench Brady. Brees extra TDs were a difference maker in a lot of our games with a 20th ranked defense. I feel that the defense is being asked to do more than it did back then. Look pick sixes are not easy, it's a stroke of luck and we got them that year but they don't always happen. And the guys that were doing that for us were two players-one whose name should not be mentioned but also a rather underrated player with us-Mike McKenzie.

SapperSaint · 11-30-2015, 07:46 AM

This team is "Tow-up from the Flo-up".

It is getting to the point of being laughable. My BP doesn't even rise anyone, when I watch this team play. Every thing they do is flippant, at best. There is not one element of the team that stands out among the rest as "The Worst". This is probably the worst Saints team I've seen.

gulfgambler · 11-30-2015, 08:55 AM

More penalties than points. More penalty yards than rushing yards. The entire organization has become very undisciplined.

skymike · 11-30-2015, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by SapperSaint

This is probably the worst Saints team I've seen.

I said that yesterday

11-30-2015, 06:12 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Gloomis has to go Thread Originally Posted by jeanpierre Dude, what people really want is 'ole Payton back, not old Payton (sans the double reverse play calls)... The real liability has been Loomis; who has never really built a team nor plan to keep a fortunate team together... Loomis never solved the cap problem he created, but kicked the can down the road, delaying dealing with the cap... In addition, a strong GM, nay, a leader, would've walked into Payton's office and convinced SP that many of his assistants needed replacement... (i.e. Vitt, Johnson, Engalls, McMahon) With regards to player personnel, free agents and draftees, the overall record has been abysmal... Payton finally addressed the problem, making room for Ireland, and even came before the public stating there'd be changes... And yet, the free agents brought in or re-signed just prior have become real liabilities... Note: With the exception of Mark Ingram, who after being for the most part a first round draft-bust, has become a quality NFL starting running back... So for failing to solve the salary cap problem, failing to check his head coach on his staff, and for failing to stock the team with competitive talent, Mickey Loomis should be thanked for his services and given his parting gifts... Free agents are different than college players. No one said Ireland was successful in scouting free agents. That's why he got fired in Miami as a GM.

11-29-2015, 08:58 PM	#2
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Gloomis has to go Thread Brees needs to go then. I don't want him playing for a loser. He could be a major improvement for Denver over Manning and get that second ring. I think Rivers is a suitable replacement. I won't drink the kool-aid anymore Rivers played better than Brees did in SD. Rivers is probably done in SD after this season. Palmer is showing in Arizona what a veteran qb could do. I will not sit back and allow Drew Brees have just one ring and have his late years as a saint crapped on by Cam Newton.

11-29-2015, 10:58 PM	#3
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,044	Re: Gloomis has to go Thread Fire Benson! And the Govenor! Halo likes this.

11-29-2015, 11:12 PM	#4
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Re: Gloomis has to go Thread The rebuild has begun.

11-30-2015, 06:50 AM	#6
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Gloomis has to go Thread Im hugely disappointed / frustrated, as is everyone else. I dont know who the sacrificial goat should be. I thought Rob Ryan filled that role for us already. I dont believe Payton got stupid overnight. Is he committed to winning, or focused? Who knows. Will him and Loomis ever build an NFL- worthy defense? I dont know. If I were going to select a singular solution, my guess is build an O-Line. I think possessing the ball and scoring would fix much of whats wrong with our Defense, or at least take us to where we were, when we were winning.

11-30-2015, 06:24 PM	#7
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Gloomis has to go Thread Originally Posted by skymike Im hugely disappointed / frustrated, as is everyone else. I dont know who the sacrificial goat should be. I thought Rob Ryan filled that role for us already. I dont believe Payton got stupid overnight. Is he committed to winning, or focused? Who knows. Will him and Loomis ever build an NFL- worthy defense? I dont know. If I were going to select a singular solution, my guess is build an O-Line. I think possessing the ball and scoring would fix much of whats wrong with our Defense, or at least take us to where we were, when we were winning. Exactly the offense used to lead the defense. Remember when we were down 21-10 in Miami, I don't recall any complaining about our defense then? If Brees cannot be the player he was in that season then we need weapons to help him become that. If we were up three TDs instead of two on NE that year BB does not bench Brady. Brees extra TDs were a difference maker in a lot of our games with a 20th ranked defense. I feel that the defense is being asked to do more than it did back then. Look pick sixes are not easy, it's a stroke of luck and we got them that year but they don't always happen. And the guys that were doing that for us were two players-one whose name should not be mentioned but also a rather underrated player with us-Mike McKenzie.

11-30-2015, 07:46 AM	#8
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Gloomis has to go Thread This team is "Tow-up from the Flo-up". It is getting to the point of being laughable. My BP doesn't even rise anyone, when I watch this team play. Every thing they do is flippant, at best. There is not one element of the team that stands out among the rest as "The Worst". This is probably the worst Saints team I've seen.

11-30-2015, 08:55 AM	#9
gulfgambler Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tomball Posts: 1,097	Re: Gloomis has to go Thread More penalties than points. More penalty yards than rushing yards. The entire organization has become very undisciplined.

11-30-2015, 03:55 PM	#10
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Gloomis has to go Thread Originally Posted by SapperSaint This is probably the worst Saints team I've seen. I said that yesterday

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