Fire Sean Payton

WillSaints81 · 11-29-2015, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Well I was watching the same game as you, on tv. And what you just said has nothing to do with your previous post. Who cares that we COULD have scored two touchdowns? As for Graham... C'mon dude. Are you really still on that? What's he doing for Seattle? Do you remember us scoring 52 points in a game this year? All that "redzone target" stuff is a myth. If you call the right plays you can get guys open. There's no imagination, as I said, and such has been the case for a while now. This offense pretty much put up the SAME numbers last year, WITH Graham. Stop trying to make Jimmy's absence an excuse.

I'm not hung up on Graham I think you have me confused with TB. I am simply pointing out the fact that a big body would have helped in a game like this.

rezburna · 11-30-2015, 09:42 AM

Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list.

Guard:
1. Brandon Brooks (HOU)
2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL)
3. Evan Mathis (DEN)

Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent.

Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together.

Defense:
1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG)
2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET)
3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG)
4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL)
5. George Iloka, S (CIN)

If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka.

We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it.

WillSaints81 · 11-30-2015, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

Jones? No. He's inconsistent in Cincinatti as it is. Crabtree is not the number one. Randle is no number one. If he was Eli would not be sucking.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 12-01-2015, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Here's my target list.

WR:
1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI)
2. Marvin Jones (CIN)
3. Michael Crabtree (OAK)
4. Rueben Randle (NYG)
5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN)

I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list.

Guard:
1. Brandon Brooks (HOU)
2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL)
3. Evan Mathis (DEN)

Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent.

Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together.

Defense:
1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG)
2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET)
3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG)
4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL)
5. George Iloka, S (CIN)

If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka.

We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it.

OK Mr. GM, sir. Take a look at the $154 million cap number for 2016:

New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - Over the Cap

and explain exactly where the money will come from for these signings.

Who are you cutting? What is their impact on the cap?
Remember that pre June 1st cuts and trades are accelerated to the current cap year. So how many dollars are you going to add to the $14 million in dead money already in order to sign these high profile players?

Brees has a $30 million cap hit. What if he refuses to restructure? Are you going to cut or trade a HOF QB?

It really isn't as easy as playing fantasy. Long term contracts have real impacts well into the future of the signings.

SFIAH

burningmetal · 11-29-2015, 06:25 PM

I am amused that people still try to point to any one particular problem as the reason we suck. Blaming the cap, blaming inexperience, blaming Payton, the offensive line, and on the list goes.

Not everyone, but some people just want to point to one or two areas. I don't get that. I don't always believe in the old saying "you win as a team, you lose as a team". That's the nice PC thing to say, but sometimes you can play really well and have one or two guys totally screw it up.

But this team? I see no strengths. Yes, our cap situation is horrible. It ALWAYS IS. Loomis is a problem pusher, not a problem solver. I say this year after year, only to be told that they know better than me, and I must not be a real fan, blah blah. I'm still waiting to be proven wrong.

But giving Payton a pass because of the cap? I know we don't have the greatest players on offense, but then we always seem to get by with one or two stars and a bunch of "blue collar" guys who fit the system, right? Well that's the way it used to be. Have you seen the play calling? There is no imagination. We had a 4th and 1 inside the 5 and Sean calls a pass play that sends all four receivers to the right side. How do you get open when you draw the entire defense into one area and run your receivers into them? It's hopeless looking out there.

Then you have old offensive linemen getting whipped, even with help, and a rookie who isn't even showing potential, that I can see.

The defense... Well you know that story. Sorry, no one deserves a pass. I'm not even interested in discussing firings anymore. It'll be whatever it'll be.

pherein · 11-29-2015, 06:34 PM

And Im called negative sometimes lol.
There is something wrong going on. Been happening since SP was kicked out for the year by goodell.
Years before that we atleast made the playoffs, but defence ended those runs.
Cant put my finger on it. Maybe SP just lost the passion, and is just coaching as a job. I dont see players afraid of him anymore or the usually sideline passion.
Could be he really does have a drinking or other problem, and no one is talking about it. Would explain alot. In which case Im for helping him and keeping him.
I really dont feel like these games are being pre-planned like it used to be.
Feels like they are winging it, and caught flat footed.
Think maybe SP should not have God rights. He seems to hire friends, players he likes more than talent. Poor judge of defensive needs.

I think loomis has to go, and the buddy buddy network broken up. Put a GM over SP that can whip him back into shape. Demands explanations. Picks his own DC.
I mean get serious SP offences since 2006 ranking 1-5 in the NFL is some kind of record. Hes an brillant OC . He just needs to lose some control of things.
Parcels as a GM would not take SP's sh#t, and want to know how he got blown out by the redskins and texans.

Throwing SP away could be a huge mistake. Brees should stay for 2 seasons until we can get a new franchise QB. Still think Colt McCoy needs a shot.
We are not going to get anyone better than Brees, even though he's losing a step.

Id rather see a rational migration in 3 years. Starting with firing Loomis and giving the GM control over the team, for awhile. Reduce SP's role, as a slap on the wrist. GM can look over the new DC and all coaching to see if they need replacing.
Last thing I want to see is SP in Atlanta. Big mistake, he has alot of the tools he needs there.

nah, Im not into throwing the babe out with the bath water. SP is a top 5 coach in the NFL, and keep Brees to give us time to replace him with someone really really good. At least with Brees and good OL we have a shot.
I dont want to revert to pre 2006.
That would be a mistake and might last for 5-10 years after a clean house.
Any great coach out of retirement is just going to be looking for a big paycheck and rusty, and no Gruden was never that good of a coach or did we forget that. Really he has King as his QB? lol. Be like the Ditka era.

WillSaints81 · 11-29-2015, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

And Im called negative sometimes lol.
There is something wrong going on. Been happening since SP was kicked out for the year by goodell.
Years before that we atleast made the playoffs, but defence ended those runs.
Cant put my finger on it. Maybe SP just lost the passion, and is just coaching as a job. I dont see players afraid of him anymore or the usually sideline passion.
Could be he really does have a drinking or other problem, and no one is talking about it. Would explain alot. In which case Im for helping him and keeping him.
I really dont feel like these games are being pre-planned like it used to be.
Feels like they are winging it, and caught flat footed.
Think maybe SP should not have God rights. He seems to hire friends, players he likes more than talent. Poor judge of defensive needs.

I think loomis has to go, and the buddy buddy network broken up. Put a GM over SP that can whip him back into shape. Demands explanations. Picks his own DC.
I mean get serious SP offences since 2006 ranking 1-5 in the NFL is some kind of record. Hes an brillant OC . He just needs to lose some control of things.
Parcels as a GM would not take SP's sh#t, and want to know how he got blown out by the redskins and texans.

Throwing SP away could be a huge mistake. Brees should stay for 2 seasons until we can get a new franchise QB. Still think Colt McCoy needs a shot.
We are not going to get anyone better than Brees, even though he's losing a step.

Id rather see a rational migration in 3 years. Starting with firing Loomis and giving the GM control over the team, for awhile. Reduce SP's role, as a slap on the wrist. GM can look over the new DC and all coaching to see if they need replacing.
Last thing I want to see is SP in Atlanta. Big mistake, he has alot of the tools he needs there.

nah, Im not into throwing the babe out with the bath water. SP is a top 5 coach in the NFL, and keep Brees to give us time to replace him with someone really really good. At least with Brees and good OL we have a shot.
I dont want to revert to pre 2006.
That would be a mistake and might last for 5-10 years after a clean house.

If Sean wants to relinquish control he can just go to Dallas for that. Are you asking Benson or thinking Benson is gonna fire Loomis? I don't think it will happen sorry. Benon does not care because he won a sb. What you are asking is just highly imossible.

pherein · 11-29-2015, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

If Sean wants to relinquish control he can just go to Dallas for that. Are you asking Benson or thinking Benson is gonna fire Loomis? I don't think it will happen sorry. Benon does not care because he won a sb. What you are asking is just highly imossible.

yes your right about one thing, it is imossible.....put down the beer man j/k

I think things can be done the right way. We will see. Taking a wreaking ball to the team wont solve much. And SP would make Atalnta a playoff contender or if Brees goes with him to Miami them to.

WillSaints81 · 11-29-2015, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by pherein

yes your right about one thing, it is imossible.....put down the beer man j/k

I think things can be done the right way. We will see. Taking a wreaking ball to the team wont solve much. And SP would make Atalnta a playoff contender or if Brees goes with him to Miami them to.

Not all of my keys are working.

AllSaints · 11-29-2015, 06:35 PM

Yeah Sean Payton must go.... It's over..... Goodbye

11-29-2015, 08:37 PM	#1
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by burningmetal Well I was watching the same game as you, on tv. And what you just said has nothing to do with your previous post. Who cares that we COULD have scored two touchdowns? As for Graham... C'mon dude. Are you really still on that? What's he doing for Seattle? Do you remember us scoring 52 points in a game this year? All that "redzone target" stuff is a myth. If you call the right plays you can get guys open. There's no imagination, as I said, and such has been the case for a while now. This offense pretty much put up the SAME numbers last year, WITH Graham. Stop trying to make Jimmy's absence an excuse. I'm not hung up on Graham I think you have me confused with TB. I am simply pointing out the fact that a big body would have helped in a game like this.

11-30-2015, 09:42 AM	#2
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,090	Re: Fire Sean Payton Here's my target list. WR: 1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI) 2. Marvin Jones (CIN) 3. Michael Crabtree (OAK) 4. Rueben Randle (NYG) 5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN) I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list. Guard: 1. Brandon Brooks (HOU) 2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL) 3. Evan Mathis (DEN) Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent. Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together. Defense: 1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG) 2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET) 3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG) 4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL) 5. George Iloka, S (CIN) If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka. We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it.
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11-30-2015, 08:02 PM	#3
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by rezburna Here's my target list. WR: 1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI) 2. Marvin Jones (CIN) 3. Michael Crabtree (OAK) 4. Rueben Randle (NYG) 5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN) Jones? No. He's inconsistent in Cincinatti as it is. Crabtree is not the number one. Randle is no number one. If he was Eli would not be sucking.

12-01-2015, 09:24 AM	#4
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by rezburna Here's my target list. WR: 1. Alshon Jeffrey (CHI) 2. Marvin Jones (CIN) 3. Michael Crabtree (OAK) 4. Rueben Randle (NYG) 5. Mohammed Sanu (CIN) I believe we should sign at least two receivers next year to go along with Brandin Cooks. Cooks is a #2 or a slot. Its time we realize it. I'd take any two off that list. Guard: 1. Brandon Brooks (HOU) 2. Kelechi Osemele (BAL) 3. Evan Mathis (DEN) Even more then WR, we need help at the guards. Once again, we need two, bona-fide starters. There isn't a lot of help out there in the upcoming free agent pool, but we have to address the interior offensive line immediately. We have to cut Jahri Evans and Marques Colston. Brees has to take a significant pay cut, or let him go and let's see what Grayson can do. Brock Oswelier is also a free agent. Defensively we have to decide if we're going to run a 4-3 or a 3-4 and stick to that. I believe we should go back too the 4-3. I'll bunch the defensive targets together. Defense: 1. Jason Pierre-Paul, DE (NYG) 2. Tyrunn Walker, DE (DET) 3. Prince Amukamara, CB (NYG) 4. Janoris Jenkins, CB (STL) 5. George Iloka, S (CIN) If the Saints could pull off those five signings, then the future would immediately brightness up on the defensive side of the ball. JPP, Walker, Foster, and Jordan is a great pass rush off the edges. Bump Kikiha and Edebali down to DE as well. You get Prince and Janoris lined up next a second year Breaux and Swann, and now the secondary is legit. Cut Browner. Cut Lewis. Cut Byrd. Bring in Iloka. We're truly in rebuild mode. We have to acknowledge it. OK Mr. GM, sir. Take a look at the $154 million cap number for 2016: New Orleans Saints Salary Cap - Over the Cap and explain exactly where the money will come from for these signings. Who are you cutting? What is their impact on the cap? Remember that pre June 1st cuts and trades are accelerated to the current cap year. So how many dollars are you going to add to the $14 million in dead money already in order to sign these high profile players? Brees has a $30 million cap hit. What if he refuses to restructure? Are you going to cut or trade a HOF QB? It really isn't as easy as playing fantasy. Long term contracts have real impacts well into the future of the signings. SFIAH SloMotion and TwistedTiger like this.
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11-29-2015, 06:25 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton I am amused that people still try to point to any one particular problem as the reason we suck. Blaming the cap, blaming inexperience, blaming Payton, the offensive line, and on the list goes. Not everyone, but some people just want to point to one or two areas. I don't get that. I don't always believe in the old saying "you win as a team, you lose as a team". That's the nice PC thing to say, but sometimes you can play really well and have one or two guys totally screw it up. But this team? I see no strengths. Yes, our cap situation is horrible. It ALWAYS IS. Loomis is a problem pusher, not a problem solver. I say this year after year, only to be told that they know better than me, and I must not be a real fan, blah blah. I'm still waiting to be proven wrong. But giving Payton a pass because of the cap? I know we don't have the greatest players on offense, but then we always seem to get by with one or two stars and a bunch of "blue collar" guys who fit the system, right? Well that's the way it used to be. Have you seen the play calling? There is no imagination. We had a 4th and 1 inside the 5 and Sean calls a pass play that sends all four receivers to the right side. How do you get open when you draw the entire defense into one area and run your receivers into them? It's hopeless looking out there. Then you have old offensive linemen getting whipped, even with help, and a rookie who isn't even showing potential, that I can see. The defense... Well you know that story. Sorry, no one deserves a pass. I'm not even interested in discussing firings anymore. It'll be whatever it'll be. neugey, Barry from MS, pherein and 1 others like this.
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11-29-2015, 06:34 PM	#6
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton And Im called negative sometimes lol. There is something wrong going on. Been happening since SP was kicked out for the year by goodell. Years before that we atleast made the playoffs, but defence ended those runs. Cant put my finger on it. Maybe SP just lost the passion, and is just coaching as a job. I dont see players afraid of him anymore or the usually sideline passion. Could be he really does have a drinking or other problem, and no one is talking about it. Would explain alot. In which case Im for helping him and keeping him. I really dont feel like these games are being pre-planned like it used to be. Feels like they are winging it, and caught flat footed. Think maybe SP should not have God rights. He seems to hire friends, players he likes more than talent. Poor judge of defensive needs. I think loomis has to go, and the buddy buddy network broken up. Put a GM over SP that can whip him back into shape. Demands explanations. Picks his own DC. I mean get serious SP offences since 2006 ranking 1-5 in the NFL is some kind of record. Hes an brillant OC . He just needs to lose some control of things. Parcels as a GM would not take SP's sh#t, and want to know how he got blown out by the redskins and texans. Throwing SP away could be a huge mistake. Brees should stay for 2 seasons until we can get a new franchise QB. Still think Colt McCoy needs a shot. We are not going to get anyone better than Brees, even though he's losing a step. Id rather see a rational migration in 3 years. Starting with firing Loomis and giving the GM control over the team, for awhile. Reduce SP's role, as a slap on the wrist. GM can look over the new DC and all coaching to see if they need replacing. Last thing I want to see is SP in Atlanta. Big mistake, he has alot of the tools he needs there. nah, Im not into throwing the babe out with the bath water. SP is a top 5 coach in the NFL, and keep Brees to give us time to replace him with someone really really good. At least with Brees and good OL we have a shot. I dont want to revert to pre 2006. That would be a mistake and might last for 5-10 years after a clean house. Any great coach out of retirement is just going to be looking for a big paycheck and rusty, and no Gruden was never that good of a coach or did we forget that. Really he has King as his QB? lol. Be like the Ditka era. jnormand likes this.
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11-29-2015, 06:46 PM	#7
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by pherein And Im called negative sometimes lol. There is something wrong going on. Been happening since SP was kicked out for the year by goodell. Years before that we atleast made the playoffs, but defence ended those runs. Cant put my finger on it. Maybe SP just lost the passion, and is just coaching as a job. I dont see players afraid of him anymore or the usually sideline passion. Could be he really does have a drinking or other problem, and no one is talking about it. Would explain alot. In which case Im for helping him and keeping him. I really dont feel like these games are being pre-planned like it used to be. Feels like they are winging it, and caught flat footed. Think maybe SP should not have God rights. He seems to hire friends, players he likes more than talent. Poor judge of defensive needs. I think loomis has to go, and the buddy buddy network broken up. Put a GM over SP that can whip him back into shape. Demands explanations. Picks his own DC. I mean get serious SP offences since 2006 ranking 1-5 in the NFL is some kind of record. Hes an brillant OC . He just needs to lose some control of things. Parcels as a GM would not take SP's sh#t, and want to know how he got blown out by the redskins and texans. Throwing SP away could be a huge mistake. Brees should stay for 2 seasons until we can get a new franchise QB. Still think Colt McCoy needs a shot. We are not going to get anyone better than Brees, even though he's losing a step. Id rather see a rational migration in 3 years. Starting with firing Loomis and giving the GM control over the team, for awhile. Reduce SP's role, as a slap on the wrist. GM can look over the new DC and all coaching to see if they need replacing. Last thing I want to see is SP in Atlanta. Big mistake, he has alot of the tools he needs there. nah, Im not into throwing the babe out with the bath water. SP is a top 5 coach in the NFL, and keep Brees to give us time to replace him with someone really really good. At least with Brees and good OL we have a shot. I dont want to revert to pre 2006. That would be a mistake and might last for 5-10 years after a clean house. If Sean wants to relinquish control he can just go to Dallas for that. Are you asking Benson or thinking Benson is gonna fire Loomis? I don't think it will happen sorry. Benon does not care because he won a sb. What you are asking is just highly imossible. captainshawn likes this.

11-29-2015, 06:48 PM	#8
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by WillSaints81 If Sean wants to relinquish control he can just go to Dallas for that. Are you asking Benson or thinking Benson is gonna fire Loomis? I don't think it will happen sorry. Benon does not care because he won a sb. What you are asking is just highly imossible. yes your right about one thing, it is imossible.....put down the beer man j/k I think things can be done the right way. We will see. Taking a wreaking ball to the team wont solve much. And SP would make Atalnta a playoff contender or if Brees goes with him to Miami them to.

11-29-2015, 08:33 PM	#9
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,283	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by pherein yes your right about one thing, it is imossible.....put down the beer man j/k I think things can be done the right way. We will see. Taking a wreaking ball to the team wont solve much. And SP would make Atalnta a playoff contender or if Brees goes with him to Miami them to. Not all of my keys are working.

11-29-2015, 06:35 PM	#10
AllSaints Breakin Records Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Deville, Louisiana Posts: 2,167	Re: Fire Sean Payton Yeah Sean Payton must go.... It's over..... Goodbye

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