Fire Sean Payton

Danno · 11-30-2015, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by Halo

For the Payton fire people, come on guys we suck!
We knew this before the season started. Most of the people we drafted in 2015 are starting as rookies, which is amazing.

We talked about this already, remember?

We lost draft picks due to bounty-gate and made some crap choices in the drafts from 2012-2014 (not all but most).
At the end of 2014 Loomis and SP saw this and fired the scouting staff. Then this year we suddenly had our best draft in ages.

Firing Sean Payton will be about as effective as firing Rob Ryan. A placebo if anything. Canning SP cannot offset the fact that we're starting rookies and we have aging vets in some positions we can't bring replacements in for fast enough.

It probably could have worked out if we hadn't suffered an inordinate amount of injuries to key people (Lewis, Hawthorne, Armstead, Ellerbe, Brees, Bush, Robinson, Swann, and Kikaha).

Why is that every year we have a lot of players hurt? Not just the typical amount other teams deal with, but a lot. Its been going on for years. Its like we're made of glass. Could it be our S&C programs?

RaginCajun83 · 11-30-2015, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

It probably could have worked out if we hadn't suffered an inordinate amount of injuries to key people (Lewis, Hawthorne, Armstead, Ellerbe, Brees, Bush, Robinson, Swann, and Kikaha).

Why is that every year we have a lot of players hurt? Not just the typical amount other teams deal with, but a lot. Its been going on for years. Its like we're made of glass. Could it be our S&C programs?

Holding Training Camp at a Spa doesn't help

Danno · 11-30-2015, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by RaginCajun83

Holding Training Camp at a Spa doesn't help

It doesn't hurt other teams that practice up North at nice facilities. IIRC there are several top teams that do that.

RaginCajun83 · 11-30-2015, 01:25 PM

soft camp = soft team, yes they train up north but not a 5* resort in the state of the head coach's rumored GF that just happens to be owned by a fan of the team.

Since his return, Payton has made questionable call after questionable call. That year away took so much aggression and cockiness away from him

TwistedTiger · 11-30-2015, 05:57 PM

I don't think Payton needs to be fired to turn this thing around, but Loomis does. There also needs to be a change in philosophy to build through the draft instead of getting all these washed up free agents. Unfortunately the salary cap mess and Brees contract stop the Saints from getting young quality free agents that they can sign to long term contracts. Winning big while Brees is still here may not be likely. Saints need a total rebuild.

Euphoria · 11-30-2015, 06:03 PM

I don't think he needs to be fired. I don't mind him putting the D in someones hands and holding them responsible but damn lets get it right!

If you do fire Payton the question is who do you replace him with??? If you don't have a good answer then he stays. Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC.

TwistedTiger · 11-30-2015, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC.

He's going to be the HC at Gawga.

Danno · 11-30-2015, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think he needs to be fired. I don't mind him putting the D in someones hands and holding them responsible but damn lets get it right!

If you do fire Payton the question is who do you replace him with??? If you don't have a good answer then he stays. Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC.

He has the most defensive talent in the entire NCAA to work with, and Saban is actually the mastermind behind that defense. Smart just does his bidding.

A big fat hell no!

Let him prove himself with mediocre talent, then lets talk.

spkb25 · 11-30-2015, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I don't think he needs to be fired. I don't mind him putting the D in someones hands and holding them responsible but damn lets get it right!

If you do fire Payton the question is who do you replace him with??? If you don't have a good answer then he stays. Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC.

let's wait and see what DA can do... I am under no illusions about how much he will be able to change this year, but I'd like to see if there is any improvement

CheramieIII · 11-30-2015, 06:15 PM

Come on guys and gals. What happened to the days of Don Shula, Chuck Nole, George Halas and Tom Landry and don't tell me their over. Sean Payton has brought respect to a team, a city and a people that was long overdue. He should not get fired and we should stop the discussion there. Our team needs us now more than ever and we should at least have the decency to wait until the end of the regular season.

1967-70 Tom Fears* 13-34-2 28.6%
1970-72 J.D. Roberts 7-25-3 24.3%
1973-75 John North** 11-23-0 32.4%
1975 Ernie Hefferle 1-7-0 12.5%
1976-77 Hank Stram 7-21-0 25%
1978-80 Dick Nolan*** 15-29-0 34.1%
1981-85 O.A. (Bum) Phillips**** 27-42-0 39.1%
1985 Wade Phillips 1-3-0 25%
1986-96 Jim Mora # 93-78-0 55.7%
1996 Rick Venturi 1-7-0 12.5%
1997-99 Mike Ditka 15-33-0 31.3%
2000-05 Jim Haslett 46-52-0 46.9%
2006- Sean Payton 73-39-0 65.1%
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**Released after six games in 1975
***Released after 12 games in 1980
****Released after 13 games in 1985
#Resigned after eight games in 1996

11-30-2015, 11:00 AM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by Halo For the Payton fire people, come on guys we suck! We knew this before the season started. Most of the people we drafted in 2015 are starting as rookies, which is amazing. We talked about this already, remember? We lost draft picks due to bounty-gate and made some crap choices in the drafts from 2012-2014 (not all but most). At the end of 2014 Loomis and SP saw this and fired the scouting staff. Then this year we suddenly had our best draft in ages. Firing Sean Payton will be about as effective as firing Rob Ryan. A placebo if anything. Canning SP cannot offset the fact that we're starting rookies and we have aging vets in some positions we can't bring replacements in for fast enough. It probably could have worked out if we hadn't suffered an inordinate amount of injuries to key people (Lewis, Hawthorne, Armstead, Ellerbe, Brees, Bush, Robinson, Swann, and Kikaha). Why is that every year we have a lot of players hurt? Not just the typical amount other teams deal with, but a lot. Its been going on for years. Its like we're made of glass. Could it be our S&C programs? captainshawn likes this.

11-30-2015, 12:04 PM	#2
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by Danno It probably could have worked out if we hadn't suffered an inordinate amount of injuries to key people (Lewis, Hawthorne, Armstead, Ellerbe, Brees, Bush, Robinson, Swann, and Kikaha). Why is that every year we have a lot of players hurt? Not just the typical amount other teams deal with, but a lot. Its been going on for years. Its like we're made of glass. Could it be our S&C programs? Holding Training Camp at a Spa doesn't help Halo, jnormand, skymike and 1 others like this.

11-30-2015, 12:15 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 Holding Training Camp at a Spa doesn't help It doesn't hurt other teams that practice up North at nice facilities. IIRC there are several top teams that do that. Halo and captainshawn like this.

11-30-2015, 01:25 PM	#4
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Fire Sean Payton soft camp = soft team, yes they train up north but not a 5* resort in the state of the head coach's rumored GF that just happens to be owned by a fan of the team. Since his return, Payton has made questionable call after questionable call. That year away took so much aggression and cockiness away from him jnormand, neugey, hagan714 and 1 others like this.

11-30-2015, 05:57 PM	#5
TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Fire Sean Payton I don't think Payton needs to be fired to turn this thing around, but Loomis does. There also needs to be a change in philosophy to build through the draft instead of getting all these washed up free agents. Unfortunately the salary cap mess and Brees contract stop the Saints from getting young quality free agents that they can sign to long term contracts. Winning big while Brees is still here may not be likely. Saints need a total rebuild.
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11-30-2015, 06:03 PM	#6
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Fire Sean Payton I don't think he needs to be fired. I don't mind him putting the D in someones hands and holding them responsible but damn lets get it right! If you do fire Payton the question is who do you replace him with??? If you don't have a good answer then he stays. Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC.

11-30-2015, 06:07 PM	#7
TwistedTiger 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 180	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by Euphoria Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC. He's going to be the HC at Gawga.
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11-30-2015, 06:15 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think he needs to be fired. I don't mind him putting the D in someones hands and holding them responsible but damn lets get it right! If you do fire Payton the question is who do you replace him with??? If you don't have a good answer then he stays. Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC. He has the most defensive talent in the entire NCAA to work with, and Saban is actually the mastermind behind that defense. Smart just does his bidding. A big fat hell no! Let him prove himself with mediocre talent, then lets talk.

11-30-2015, 06:49 PM	#9
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,138	Re: Fire Sean Payton Originally Posted by Euphoria I don't think he needs to be fired. I don't mind him putting the D in someones hands and holding them responsible but damn lets get it right! If you do fire Payton the question is who do you replace him with??? If you don't have a good answer then he stays. Go get the Alabama D coach as our DC. let's wait and see what DA can do... I am under no illusions about how much he will be able to change this year, but I'd like to see if there is any improvement

11-30-2015, 06:15 PM	#10
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