Character matters most...

Saint_LB · 02-20-2005, 08:34 PM

Then it would be safe to assume that you would\'ve had no problem drafting someone like Lawrence Phillips, right?

Here is a link that addresses this issue.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plai...0719189502.xml

WhoDat · 02-20-2005, 08:39 PM

The only arguement I\'ve ever had with you or anyone else on the character issue is when I\'m told a player can\'t succeed without good character.

I think you\'re confusing \"intangibles\" with \"character.\" I do agree with Gator that character is extremely important, but I can\'t ever remember saying that a player cannot succeed without having high moral fiber. If you can, then can you show me a quote?

GumboBC · 02-20-2005, 09:28 PM

I think you\'re confusing \"intangibles\" with \"character.\" I do agree with Gator that character is extremely important, but I can\'t ever remember saying that a player cannot succeed without having high moral fiber. If you can, then can you show me a quote?

Nah..... I\'m not confusing intagibles with character.

The intangible thing is a whole other deabate...

To be honest with you, WhoDat, I really can\'t remember if you told me that a player couldn\'t succeed without great character. But, I\'ve had many folks either say that specifically or suggest it in one way or another. When someone tells me character is the most important thing -- I take that to mean a player can\'t succeed without it.

Everything else equal, I would take a player that has good character.

Poor character has been the downfall of many a player!

In any event, I don\'t think character has been AB problem at all. I think a lack of maturity has caused him grief in the media and that has turned a lot of fans off.

I think there\'s a big difference betwen \"character\" and \"lack of maturity.\" Character is usually instilled by a person\'s parents. Or someone...

Brooks is definately immature when it comes to accepting criticism. Maybe if he were more humble folks would accept him better. I don\'t know?

But, again, I haven\'t seen where it\'s affect his play on the field or his teammates play.

Sure, Brooks has made mistakes, but you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that it\'s because of character or lack or maturity.

And you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that Brooks character is affecting his teammates.

Folks can make those claims, but they are completely without any evidence to support it, IMHO. But, I\'m willing to lisen and I\'m willing to change my stance if a good case can be presented.

And, no, just because the majority of this board might agree with you .... that ain\'t good enough for me ... LOL...

[Edited on 21/2/2005 by GumboBC]

TayTay · 02-20-2005, 09:51 PM

I\'ve only been a member of this board for about a weak and I can already tell I will have my share of disagreements with Gumbo, however, I agree with him in this case.
I don\'t think Brooks problem is lack of character. I think it\'s from lack of talent, but that\'s an argument for a different post.
I may be wrong, Brooks may have a worse character than any other player in the NFL. I just never saw that particular issue. I don\'t know b/c I never met the guy. What I do know is that AB has major flaws in talent. He simply isn\'t as good as you give him credit for, Gumbo. Brooks character may be a problem and it may not be. If it is, it isn\'t the only problem Brooks has. All I know is that AB needs to do something different or he will never get the top 5 QB money he wants.

JOESAM2002 · 02-21-2005, 08:42 AM

Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm?

In any event, I don\'t think character has been AB problem at all. I think a lack of maturity has caused him grief in the media and that has turned a lot of fans off.

Brooks is definately immature when it comes to accepting criticism. Maybe if he were more humble folks would accept him better. I don\'t know?

Sure, Brooks has made mistakes, but you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that it\'s because of character or lack or maturity.

All in then same post? Come on BC which is it?

LKelley67 · 02-21-2005, 08:48 AM

dichotomy soup instead of gumbo

GumboBC · 02-21-2005, 10:43 AM

JoeSam --

I think my position on Brooks\'s character and maturity have been consistent from the start. And that didn\'t change in the post you got the quote from.

You just left some of it out..

Here\'s what I said:

In any event, I don\'t think character has been AB problem at all. I think a lack of maturity has caused him grief in the media and that has turned a lot of fans off.

I think there\'s a big difference betwen \"character\" and \"lack of maturity.\" Character is usually instilled by a person\'s parents. Or someone...

Brooks is definately immature when it comes to accepting criticism. Maybe if he were more humble folks would accept him better. I don\'t know?

But, again, I haven\'t seen where it\'s affect his play on the field or his teammates play.

Sure, Brooks has made mistakes, but you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that it\'s because of character or lack or maturity.

And you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that Brooks character is affecting his teammates.

Folks can make those claims, but they are completely without any evidence to support it, IMHO. But, I\'m willing to lisen and I\'m willing to change my stance if a good case can be presented.

WhoDat · 02-21-2005, 11:56 AM

To be honest with you, WhoDat, I really can\'t remember if you told me that a player couldn\'t succeed without great character. But, I\'ve had many folks either say that specifically or suggest it in one way or another. When someone tells me character is the most important thing -- I take that to mean a player can\'t succeed without it.

So, in other words, you\'re saying that when you made this statement, you really had no grounds?

It took 2 years for WhoDat to reverse his stance on this issue.

So........ you don\'t give a damn about character if the guy produces, huh? Glad you feel that way.

That\'s the samething I\'ve said MANY times. And each time WhoDat criticized me for saying it. I guess you can teach on old dog new tricks. Go fetch boy...lol

In other words, you really don\'t know if I ever said anything about character and that you can\'t really say whether I criticized you or not, but you thought that you\'d throw it out there anyway that somehow I had totally reversed a position to redeem yourself? Or should I read that some other way? LOL.

GumboBC · 02-21-2005, 12:03 PM

WhoDat --

I\'m almost positve you\'ve told me that QBs can\'t succeed without character. I just don\'t feel like going through your last 2000 posts to find it. I could be wrong though.

And even if you didn\'t say it ... I\'m not above trying to make you look bad just for the hell out it .... LMAO!! :P

WhoDat · 02-21-2005, 12:11 PM

Glad to see you admit your posts are intended to make others look bad rather than truly talk football or make honest assesssments. It\'s been a long time coming, but you finally admitted it.

LMAO.

02-20-2005, 08:34 PM	#21
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Character matters most... Then it would be safe to assume that you would\'ve had no problem drafting someone like Lawrence Phillips, right? Here is a link that addresses this issue. http://www.cleveland.com/browns/plai...0719189502.xml
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02-20-2005, 08:39 PM	#22
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Character matters most... The only arguement I\'ve ever had with you or anyone else on the character issue is when I\'m told a player can\'t succeed without good character. I think you\'re confusing \"intangibles\" with \"character.\" I do agree with Gator that character is extremely important, but I can\'t ever remember saying that a player cannot succeed without having high moral fiber. If you can, then can you show me a quote?
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02-20-2005, 09:28 PM	#23
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Character matters most... I think you\'re confusing \"intangibles\" with \"character.\" I do agree with Gator that character is extremely important, but I can\'t ever remember saying that a player cannot succeed without having high moral fiber. If you can, then can you show me a quote? Nah..... I\'m not confusing intagibles with character. The intangible thing is a whole other deabate... To be honest with you, WhoDat, I really can\'t remember if you told me that a player couldn\'t succeed without great character. But, I\'ve had many folks either say that specifically or suggest it in one way or another. When someone tells me character is the most important thing -- I take that to mean a player can\'t succeed without it. Everything else equal, I would take a player that has good character. Poor character has been the downfall of many a player! In any event, I don\'t think character has been AB problem at all. I think a lack of maturity has caused him grief in the media and that has turned a lot of fans off. I think there\'s a big difference betwen \"character\" and \"lack of maturity.\" Character is usually instilled by a person\'s parents. Or someone... Brooks is definately immature when it comes to accepting criticism. Maybe if he were more humble folks would accept him better. I don\'t know? But, again, I haven\'t seen where it\'s affect his play on the field or his teammates play. Sure, Brooks has made mistakes, but you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that it\'s because of character or lack or maturity. And you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that Brooks character is affecting his teammates. Folks can make those claims, but they are completely without any evidence to support it, IMHO. But, I\'m willing to lisen and I\'m willing to change my stance if a good case can be presented. And, no, just because the majority of this board might agree with you .... that ain\'t good enough for me ... LOL... [Edited on 21/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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02-20-2005, 09:51 PM	#24
TayTay 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 118	Character matters most... I\'ve only been a member of this board for about a weak and I can already tell I will have my share of disagreements with Gumbo, however, I agree with him in this case. I don\'t think Brooks problem is lack of character. I think it\'s from lack of talent, but that\'s an argument for a different post. I may be wrong, Brooks may have a worse character than any other player in the NFL. I just never saw that particular issue. I don\'t know b/c I never met the guy. What I do know is that AB has major flaws in talent. He simply isn\'t as good as you give him credit for, Gumbo. Brooks character may be a problem and it may not be. If it is, it isn\'t the only problem Brooks has. All I know is that AB needs to do something different or he will never get the top 5 QB money he wants.
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02-21-2005, 08:42 AM	#25
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Character matters most... Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm? In any event, I don\'t think character has been AB problem at all. I think a lack of maturity has caused him grief in the media and that has turned a lot of fans off. Brooks is definately immature when it comes to accepting criticism. Maybe if he were more humble folks would accept him better. I don\'t know? Sure, Brooks has made mistakes, but you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that it\'s because of character or lack or maturity. All in then same post? Come on BC which is it?

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02-21-2005, 10:43 AM	#27
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Character matters most... JoeSam -- I think my position on Brooks\'s character and maturity have been consistent from the start. And that didn\'t change in the post you got the quote from. You just left some of it out.. Here\'s what I said: In any event, I don\'t think character has been AB problem at all. I think a lack of maturity has caused him grief in the media and that has turned a lot of fans off. I think there\'s a big difference betwen \"character\" and \"lack of maturity.\" Character is usually instilled by a person\'s parents. Or someone... Brooks is definately immature when it comes to accepting criticism. Maybe if he were more humble folks would accept him better. I don\'t know? But, again, I haven\'t seen where it\'s affect his play on the field or his teammates play. Sure, Brooks has made mistakes, but you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that it\'s because of character or lack or maturity. And you\'ll have a hard time convincing me that Brooks character is affecting his teammates. Folks can make those claims, but they are completely without any evidence to support it, IMHO. But, I\'m willing to lisen and I\'m willing to change my stance if a good case can be presented.
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02-21-2005, 11:56 AM	#28
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Character matters most... To be honest with you, WhoDat, I really can\'t remember if you told me that a player couldn\'t succeed without great character. But, I\'ve had many folks either say that specifically or suggest it in one way or another. When someone tells me character is the most important thing -- I take that to mean a player can\'t succeed without it. So, in other words, you\'re saying that when you made this statement, you really had no grounds? It took 2 years for WhoDat to reverse his stance on this issue. So........ you don\'t give a damn about character if the guy produces, huh? Glad you feel that way. That\'s the samething I\'ve said MANY times. And each time WhoDat criticized me for saying it. I guess you can teach on old dog new tricks. Go fetch boy...lol In other words, you really don\'t know if I ever said anything about character and that you can\'t really say whether I criticized you or not, but you thought that you\'d throw it out there anyway that somehow I had totally reversed a position to redeem yourself? Or should I read that some other way? LOL.
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02-21-2005, 12:03 PM	#29
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Character matters most... WhoDat -- I\'m almost positve you\'ve told me that QBs can\'t succeed without character. I just don\'t feel like going through your last 2000 posts to find it. I could be wrong though. And even if you didn\'t say it ... I\'m not above trying to make you look bad just for the hell out it .... LMAO!! :P
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02-21-2005, 12:11 PM	#30
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Character matters most... Glad to see you admit your posts are intended to make others look bad rather than truly talk football or make honest assesssments. It\'s been a long time coming, but you finally admitted it. LMAO.
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