Even J.J. Watt agrees with me about Right Tackle
 

Look, personally I love Zach Strief and pull for him as a Saints' fan; but this confirms what many of us diehards painfully don't won't to admit; and citing Pro Football Focus "assessment" further shows how far sabremetrics have to go...

There's no substitute for the ole' eyeball test...

Move Strief inside and start Peat and Armstead at the Tackles...

LOOK: Mic'd up J.J. Watt talks trash, tells Saints to get a new right tackle - CBSSports.com


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There's only been 3 teams that have held him without a sack and only one that's kept him from recording any tackles ... we are talking about JJ Watt here, league leader in QB sacks and probably the reason Houston's won their games the past few weeks, #shrug.

That is a pretty good way to trash talk though, kindler/gentler, makes a point, doesn't antagonize or fire up the opposition, :lol:.

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Strief has been bad for way longer then the fans on this board want to admit. He should have been replaced years ago. He actually should have never been a starter.

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JJ is a class act all the way!

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I've never had a problem admitting Strief's struggles. It's never been anything personal, but he just isn't very good. Getting blown up by Watt is not about to be the scale tipper. He continues to start due to the Saints' years of refusal to properly address the tackle position. They have always made it a priority to pay money on interior linemen, and stick random dude's at tackle.

They finally got lucky that Armstead fell into their laps a couple of years ago, and then last year they took who, in my opinion, was the worst among all tackles who were projected within the first two rounds. If Peat ever becomes even serviceable, similar to Jon Stinchcomb, I think it will take him a long time to get there (like the aforementioned Stinchcomb).

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Yes, Strief is having a rough year. No, there is no one available to replace him yet. Sure, if Peat was ready he would be the starter. IMO moving Peat inside is a strong indication that he isn't ready to man the RT position yet. More work is obviously needed on the front line after the season ends.

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We should have taken Marcus Peters at that spot.

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+1. I hope the kid works out but even that (Stinchcomb status) is a big IF.

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Strief was best in the TE eligible role.

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No body can handle Watt one on one. To even try was stupid. Wherever Watt lined up, there should have been a TE on that side for help or even keep a TE in the backfield to pick him up since we don't have a FB anymore.

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JJ eats OT as a snack. what concerns me is to length we had to go to just to slow him down much less stop him.

Blocking TE and RB that can block were glaring areas of need. Watson out on the flanks killed us.

Round 2?
Jake Butt TE Michigan 6051 248 4.83
Hunter Henry*, TE, Arkansas 6052 253 4.79

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I watch EVERY Saints game. With that said, every play I cringe watching Strief block. It seems every play his guy is rushing Drew or putting him on his back. No doubt it was Strief's fault Drew got hurt. He alone took 2 more years off of Drew's career. Our OL sucks and Strief is the weak link.

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Strief will be best used as a backup/veteran leadership for Peat. Its time!
Another article on this topic: Houston Texans DE J.J. Watt suggests New Orleans Saints replace RT - Houston Texans Blog- ESPN

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The O-line insufficiencies as a whole are a direct result of one player's contract that the o-line is there to protect ironically.

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Well explain the Manning brothers and Brady. All have huge contracts with lower paid o-lines. Infact, all the o-lines mentioned make less than ours. It's poor decisions by our FO that has caused our OL problem not Drews contract.

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No one can block J.J. Watt. No even Super Man

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Until this year Strief graded well on PFF. Unfortunately he doesn't grade well this year and he's been failing the eyeball test for years. It's another questionable contract written to aging veterans.

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It's almost like they dont trust their drafting skills so they overpay for the vets already on the team.

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This team is and always has been, loyal to a fault. They act like they owe players something. This is a business, period. they want to model after the Patriots but they dont. Belichick don't blink at benching or getting rid of players. Prime example, the receiver that muffed the punt in the game against Denver, he was let go the next day. A team who is down there 2 main receivers and just lost Gronk, fires a guy for a mistake. Does our coaching staff have the balls to do that? We all know that answer.

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At this point, I hate to say it like this, but part of me is like, the more embarrassing the better, bring it on -- because that is probably what it is going to take for the light bulbs to go on and the coaches and ownership to really take things seriously again. This whole idea of a band-aid here or there, little cosmetic changes, or saying "we'll look at the tape, we just need to clean a few things up" as if that's ALL we need, is just completely disappointing. I'll be rooting for a Saints win on Sunday, as I always do, but if it's NOT gonna be a win, I actually kinda hope the Panthers completely demolish the Saints and run up the score in embarrassing fashion, to make national headlines and get commentators talking about it.

If Payton and Loomis hear clips of Watt saying this stuff, on all the sports shows, all week long, then GOOD. I'm glad he talked smack and said that stuff into the mic. They need to hear it.

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been preaching this since Strief became a starter, at this point the only way he will get benched is if 1)he gets hurt or 2)he gets Brees killed and he's almost done the second option on more than one occasion.

I liked the drafting of Peat but just don't know if that was to settle the mob or if they are serious about changing this around. He's a 1st round pick and it took until week 12 for him to start, that's on the coaches not him.

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watching peat get burnt so many times in the back up role;he just don't have the quickness to compete against the best, as a serviceable tackle sure but I see why some scouts have been axed. a clear miss on a first rd pick that had to go into battle at once.

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So wait...is Brees trying to say when gets sacked, it's his own fault because him saying the RT didn't give up a sack is laughable. I really wonder if they watch the same film from the game that we saw on tv.

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Drew is holding onto the ball longer than usual as well, so we need more than a right tackle re-work.

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Embarrassing!

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Yes he is.

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Drew doesn't trust his WR's and he's holding onto it too long. Gone are the days of carelessly heaving it to Jimmy Graham in double coverage (thank goodness.) Still though, he doesn't have a single serious receiving threat.

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Until some draft pick is made or someone beats him out he's the man. I do think that our line needs help even at depth.I am rooting for Peat at G, could mean a big difference come draft day.

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You know he wanted to get in and play TE.

He was the league MVP last year and freaking Rodgers took the MVP award home.
Sour grapes as a Wisconsinite!!!


AR plays in Wisconsin and now lives here part of the year (?)
JJ & Tony both had MVP votes, both born in Wisconsin and grew up in the Suburbs of Milwaukee. The kicker...both play in Texas.

Tony is not as popular as JJ; never was or will be. My guess is that he went "Hollywood" too soon. His jersey was never a hot commodity.

JJ is genuine and his community impact is huge. Stores carry Texan 99 along side massive quantity of green & gold.

Someday, I pray he is named Walter Payton Man of the Year. I don't know if he was nominated this year, if he was, he needs to wait or share because this belongs to Ben Watson.

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If he does not step it up the remaining gamess he won't be

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Wow with all our defensive troubles we have to deal with a porous offensive line. We have a long way to go to get back to respectability. I think we need to fire all of them from our owner and down.

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Hey Drew..re watch the film bro..your first sack was thanks to your buddy Strief. Proof?...

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True however Sean P doesn't really bench "his" guys but in all fairness to Strief, he was lined up across from arguably the best D lineman over the last 20+ years. I think he is the MVP of the league, and already has HALL OF FAME numbers (ponder that one). I find it very hard to find any weakness in Watt's game. Dude can beat double teams & still find ways to get involved in the run game.

What the Saints organization needs to do is bench the knuckle head who thought it would be a wise idea to line up Streif one on one against Watt :rolleyes:.

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PFF was wrong any and every time they had Strief rated as a top RT. He's the been the same his whole career. Somebody said it, the Saints are too loyal. Also, what does our front office have against signing healthy players and players with speed? Our whole defensive line is slow. Our linebackers are slow outside of Anthony. Our secondary is slow outside of Breaux. We're a slow team.

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Not sure I agree with that. Byrd wasn't a slow safety. Wilson wasn't a slow corner. Ellerbe wasn't a slow LB. Browner was but I think they hoped to get a defensive captain who could help bring a winning mentality with him and it failed. I think some of their moves were tailored to increasing back 7 speed but injuries and then subsequent negative momentum derailed that.

Almost all our draft picks for the past couple years have been tailored to improving team speed regardless of position.

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That has a lot to do with Cooks only playing half a season last year, 2 undrafted WR's in their 2 year and a 400 yr old Colston.

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It's a thankless job, offensive line. This thread reminds me of how the fans did Jeff Backus during his career ... guy never missed a game in 10+ yrs, took on the best defensive lineman in the NFL and would sit in a tub of ice for something like a day & a half after a game ... but yeah, he's the reason the Lions sucked, :neutral:.

:roflmao: ... yeah brah, they got it wrong and you got it right, :roflmao: ... time to cancel your subscription, :lol:.

Thanks for that, seriously ... I was having a crappy day, ;).

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C'mon Slo...this isn't the first game he has looked like crap. Drew has been getting killed from the right side all year. Yeah, not all of the sacks have been on Strief but in THIS thread, Watt is saying he is garbage. At first, it seems like just trash talk but the guy said the same stuff after the game when interviewed. He was upset because he had to keep sacking Drew and he likes Brees. So this seems to be the appropriate thread to bash on Strief.

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