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The Dude 12-06-2015 09:56 PM
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No it had nothing to do with why we lost. We lost for a variety of inexcusable reasons. I just have to say how blatent it has gotten. Horrible calls all game against us and JUUUUUUst enough in our favor to make it seem random. The NFL wants the Panties undefeated and its obvious. The NFL has manipulated the game so much by officiating, stregnth of schedule, blah blah blah that they can pretty much put any team they think is going to get them the best ratings in the drivers seat for the Super Bowl. Yea they will be a few teams like us that stink it up so bad that even god himself couldnt get them in the Super Bowl but I guarantee they have a list of 3 or 4 teams in each conference every year they can push one way or another to get the outcome they want.
Pair that with fantasy football and this **** will be like wrestling.

neugey 12-06-2015 10:11 PM
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They fixed the Lions/Packers game to knock down the Vikings and get GB back on top. Can't argue too much with Dude's logic.

CharityMike 12-06-2015 10:19 PM
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I think I have heard the funniest thing Payton has ever said. Funny because it's so true. He started his presser saying he told himself he's not gonna talk about the refs and then said, there were 2 times they had 12 men in the huddle, no flag. He then said, the refs on Friday nights get that call right..lmfao

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burningmetal 12-06-2015 10:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 684381)
No it had nothing to do with why we lost. We lost for a variety of inexcusable reasons. I just have to say how blatent it has gotten. Horrible calls all game against us and JUUUUUUst enough in our favor to make it seem random. The NFL wants the Panties undefeated and its obvious. The NFL has manipulated the game so much by officiating, stregnth of schedule, blah blah blah that they can pretty much put any team they think is going to get them the best ratings in the drivers seat for the Super Bowl. Yea they will be a few teams like us that stink it up so bad that even god himself couldnt get them in the Super Bowl but I guarantee they have a list of 3 or 4 teams in each conference every year they can push one way or another to get the outcome they want.
Pair that with fantasy football and this **** will be like wrestling.
There isn't much I'd put past the NFL, but if it's ratings they want, the Panthers are not a team anybody wants to watch outside of Carolina. They are really, really boring. Don't be fooled by today. Not every team has a cornerback that will hold your hand and lead you down the field. The Panthers offense is pretty average.

nola_swammi 12-06-2015 11:09 PM
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Special team Wilson penalized for personal foul while the saint's kick returner is body slammed off the field of play.

SloMotion 12-07-2015 04:16 AM
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IDK if I think this every year, but the officiating is the worst I've ever seen. The calls, the non-calls, the game-changing calls ... seems like it's happening in every game, every week. Is the game too fast for 'em? Do they need full-time refs? Do they need to review every call? What's the answer? It is affecting the outcome of games, :neutral:.


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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 684381)
.... Pair that with fantasy football and this **** will be like wrestling.
I honestly wonder if this isn't true ... I mean, FF is obviously a money-maker, so why not tailor/move the game to a more individual player concept? It'll be like betting on jai-lai or horse racing, :neutral:.

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 684384)
They fixed the Lions/Packers game to knock down the Vikings and get GB back on top. Can't argue too much with Dude's logic.
:lol:, the Lions don't need any help losing in the last plays of a game, but that was definitely a different twist, :lol:. I was sitting there thinking, with :30 seconds left, that if you give Rodgers the ball, he's gonna' score ... but I was surprised at that ending, :lol:.

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 684390)
There isn't much I'd put past the NFL, but if it's ratings they want, the Panthers are not a team anybody wants to watch outside of Carolina. They are really, really boring. Don't be fooled by today. Not every team has a cornerback that will hold your hand and lead you down the field. The Panthers offense is pretty average.
I think the Panther's strength is in their overall game, every unit is pretty tough in it's own right & they have a pretty competent coaching staff, IMO.

ChrisXVI 12-07-2015 04:38 AM
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That penalty on Ingram for throwing the ball at the wall... What the heck was that all about?! Pretty sure I've seen that done a million times.

SloMotion 12-07-2015 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 684427)
That penalty on Ingram for throwing the ball at the wall... What the heck was that all about?! Pretty sure I've seen that done a million times.
IDK either, I think the refs were just reacting to the woman standing next to the photog Ingram threw the ball over ... she was pretty animate, :lol:. Good example of a bad/questionable call, regardless.

jlouhill 12-07-2015 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 684427)
That penalty on Ingram for throwing the ball at the wall... What the heck was that all about?! Pretty sure I've seen that done a million times.
I didn't quite get that one either. Nor could I understand how they missed our player getting tackled out of bounds.

hagan714 12-07-2015 06:32 AM
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the officiating was so bad I have rank it up there at top of the dung pile. If the NFL wanted conspiracy theories to end this game did little to help there cause. Browner did some bone head things but I will admit some of the penlites he got called for were not called on the panthers. He must be on the NFL hit list.

We lost this game do to bonehead mistakes in the secondary and the inability to stop the run on the edges yet again. 2 TD i credit them to Chris Owens and Kyle Wilson and their bone head play. This is what happens when back ups start.

Leaving Browner of all people out on the island of misfit toys all by himself was, is and always will be a mistake. we know that. that is one reason i was so so about the signing. saints are not deep in the secondary when it comes to veteran talent. One injury and the mad hatters tea party commences.

SaintsBro 12-07-2015 07:29 AM
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Well here is the thing. When you are undefeated the refs will GIVE you whatever calls you need. The way to get the calls to go your way, is to be a GOOD football team. When you suck, the refs will be like "talk to the hand" and they look the other way. All day long.

This year it feels like I've seen more Saints players being crybabies, looking around for the flag after plays, waving their arms around, than ever before under Payton. They act like they suck, like they need help from the refs, and it shows.

There were a couple of plays yesterday where I noticed the Panthers ball carrier would get tackled, hit the ground, and he'd ROLL FORWARD and the refs would give them another three, four yards on the spot of the ball. Why don't the Saints do stuff like that? Because they SUCK. Back when we were good, we used to get away with all kinds of stuff and get favorable calls going our way, all the time.

K Major 12-07-2015 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 684427)
That penalty on Ingram for throwing the ball at the wall... What the heck was that all about?! Pretty sure I've seen that done a million times.
I still don't get that call. You got that fraud on the other side posing, doing selfies after a score, yet Roll Tide gets a flag for throwing the ball against the wall :rolleyes:?

Saw a highlight of Robinson of the Jags doing the same thing but no call. IMHO the officiating in New Orleans was bad yesterday.

Barry from MS 12-07-2015 07:55 AM
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I refuse to complain. The years when we had a winning record we were one of the least penalized teams in the league. This year, we are 4-8. We're not gonna get the calls. It is what it is. We need to get better.

Beastmode 12-07-2015 08:29 AM
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NFL is the worst sport for random penalties. Every game there are a lot of moments like, how did they miss that or, really, that's a penalty? Browner though, they get all of his.

st thomas 12-07-2015 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 684390)
There isn't much I'd put past the NFL, but if it's ratings they want, the Panthers are not a team anybody wants to watch outside of Carolina. They are really, really boring. Don't be fooled by today. Not every team has a cornerback that will hold your hand and lead you down the field. The Panthers offense is pretty average.
every pass play and some others were directly made to target dumbase, he's that bad and so easy to get a win against the saints .cause a 50 burger easy as in yesterdays game all the drops for t,d.s would have the stadium empty by beginning of third qtr. Jason david would not grab a jersey to defend a receiver , nor push a coach around. hes something special on this team I mean how many games could we possibly might have won with someone off the streets in his place this season.:confused:

CharityMike 12-07-2015 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 684472)
every pass play and some others were directly made to target dumbase, he's that bad and so easy to get a win against the saints .cause a 50 burger easy as in yesterdays game all the drops for t,d.s would have the stadium empty by beginning of third qtr. Jason david would not grab a jersey to defend a receiver , nor push a coach around. hes something special on this team I mean how many games could we possibly might have won with someone off the streets in his place this season.:confused:
Forget that pipe dream about benching Browner..go here:http://blackandgold.com/saints/75646...bout-loss.html

watch and listen and be amazed within the first 30 sec.

Cruize 12-07-2015 10:23 AM
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Rigged. Stevie Wonder could call a better game.

|Mitch| 12-07-2015 11:10 AM
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Carolina didn't just have 12 men in the huddle; they had 12 men to start those two plays.

That's why on the first one; they had to call a timeout... And of course, the play is non-reviewable

SmashMouth 12-07-2015 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 684459)
I refuse to complain. The years when we had a winning record we were one of the least penalized teams in the league. This year, we are 4-8. We're not gonna get the calls. It is what it is. We need to get better.
We still got horrid calls in 2009. It's just that we were good enough then to overcome adversity. To win consistently, one has to commit fewer mistakes in all facets of the game and be good enough to overcome unfair BS officiating.

We got three turnovers against the Panties and still lost. We're simply not good enough. We're in the midst of a rebuild. It may be 2 years minimum before we can get there again. By that time it may be too late for Brees.

UK_WhoDat 12-07-2015 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 684381)
No it had nothing to do with why we lost. We lost for a variety of inexcusable reasons. I just have to say how blatent it has gotten. Horrible calls all game against us .....
I agree 100% with this

UK_WhoDat 12-07-2015 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 684452)
Well here is the thing. When you are undefeated the refs will GIVE you whatever calls you need. The way to get the calls to go your way, is to be a GOOD football team. When you suck, the refs will be like "talk to the hand" and they look the other way. All day long. ....
This is so true (and not just in NFL).
For years I have argued that when teams are good, officials also believe those teams are good. The officials have preconceptions that colors events.
Officials believe that good teams making what seems to be good plays is normal.
Officials believe that something was amiss when bad teams make what seems to be good plays.

Rugby Saint II 12-07-2015 04:16 PM
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I am a rugby referee. Thank God I don't referee football. So much is left to interpretation.

SmashMouth 12-07-2015 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 684535)
I am a rugby referee. Thank God I don't referee football. So much is left to interpretation.
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vpheughan 12-07-2015 06:12 PM
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As I've said before. Fan Duel and the like pay out $75 million a week. It would be easier to get to an official than a player. Just look at the crew that was reassigned due to the horrible "job" they did.

The Dude 12-07-2015 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SloMotion (Post 684426)
IDK if I think this every year, but the officiating is the worst I've ever seen. The calls, the non-calls, the game-changing calls ... seems like it's happening in every game, every week. Is the game too fast for 'em? Do they need full-time refs? Do they need to review every call? What's the answer? It is affecting the outcome of games, :neutral:.




I honestly wonder if this isn't true ... I mean, FF is obviously a money-maker, so why not tailor/move the game to a more individual player concept? It'll be like betting on jai-lai or horse racing, :neutral:.



:lol:, the Lions don't need any help losing in the last plays of a game, but that was definitely a different twist, :lol:. I was sitting there thinking, with :30 seconds left, that if you give Rodgers the ball, he's gonna' score ... but I was surprised at that ending, :lol:.



I think the Panther's strength is in their overall game, every unit is pretty tough in it's own right & they have a pretty competent coaching staff, IMO.
The fantasy aspect makes it probably for individual players to manipulate their own stats. Say someone is playing in one of these million dollar fantasy leagues. For arguements sake his opponent that week has Sneed as a player who has been lighting it up statistically for New Orleans but New Orleans is still 2-13. Snead doesnt make much money and this guy approaches him and says he will break him off half a mil if he takes a dive for the week. I know its improbably but if I just came up with that scenario off the top of my head someone smarter will fine a way to manipulate the system.
I just dont like the implications of what could happen with high dollar fantasy games.

Barry from MS 12-07-2015 07:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 684505)
We still got horrid calls in 2009. It's just that we were good enough then to overcome adversity. To win consistently, one has to commit fewer mistakes in all facets of the game and be good enough to overcome unfair BS officiating.

We got three turnovers against the Panties and still lost. We're simply not good enough. We're in the midst of a rebuild. It may be 2 years minimum before we can get there again. By that time it may be too late for Brees.
Everybody gets those unfair calls. Good teams will get some bad calls, sure. We get undisciplined ones. Unnecessary ones. It's like we've become the NFC's version of the Raiders of a few years back. The refs are looking for them on us now. And we don't get the benefit of some calls against us because of the boneheaded, undisciplined fouls we make. Make sense?

WhoDat!656 12-07-2015 09:00 PM
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I am going to leave this here!

The umpire is the official that lines up approximately five yards off the line of scrimmage on the defensive side of the ball. His duties include:


• Making sure the offense has no more than 11 men on the field

NOLA54 12-07-2015 09:25 PM
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The Saints games aren't the only games with poor ref's. It has been in every telecast game I have seen this year. It's as if the ref's are playing Fan Duel or something. The games are getting longer & boring because of all of the penalties.

MaggieMayTB 12-07-2015 10:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CharityMike (Post 684389)
I think I have heard the funniest thing Payton has ever said. Funny because it's so true. He started his presser saying he told himself he's not gonna talk about the refs and then said, there were 2 times they had 12 men in the huddle, no flag. He then said, the refs on Friday nights get that call right..lmfao

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The refs called it on MNF.
They call the 12 on the field.
The game lacks integrity.

The Dude 12-07-2015 11:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Barry from MS (Post 684459)
I refuse to complain. The years when we had a winning record we were one of the least penalized teams in the league. This year, we are 4-8. We're not gonna get the calls. It is what it is. We need to get better.
There is a coorilation there. We were the one of the least penalized teams because we were a disciplined team. Not because the refs just looked the other way. Our discipline and cohesiveness are part of what made those years great.

This year we are a sloppy team. No surprise that we suck.
When complaining about the officiating I am not complaining about the calls on us. I am complaining against all the free passes Carolina got. Our team has never had that many free passes.

IM not even really complaining about the officiating as much as I am pointing out that the refs are going to call the games the way the NFL tells them to. You can watch any NFL game between any NFL teams and if there is a good "story" there somewhere you can bet the refs are going to call it to where the outcome is a good storyline.

The Dude 12-07-2015 11:45 PM
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There was also that call on a punt or kickoff where the Panther player deliberately shoved one of our guys in the back causing him to fall down as he was running to cover the returner. It happened right in front of a ref and no call. I mean right ****ing there

RaginCajun83 12-08-2015 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 684427)
That penalty on Ingram for throwing the ball at the wall... What the heck was that all about?! Pretty sure I've seen that done a million times.
yet there is no flag when Scam rips the ball out of the ref's hands to give to someone in the stands OR when there were 5 of them celebrating in the endzone together OR when they were celebrating from the endzone to the 30 yard line. I'm pretty damn sure all 3 of those are a penalty.

The officiating in the NFL as a whole is a ****ing joke, its one of the many reason why this season I watched football on Saturday and only Saints games on Sunday.

Budsdrinker 12-08-2015 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SaintsBro (Post 684452)
Well here is the thing. When you are undefeated the refs will GIVE you whatever calls you need. The way to get the calls to go your way, is to be a GOOD football team. When you suck, the refs will be like "talk to the hand" and they look the other way. All day long.

This year it feels like I've seen more Saints players being crybabies, looking around for the flag after plays, waving their arms around, than ever before under Payton. They act like they suck, like they need help from the refs, and it shows.

There were a couple of plays yesterday where I noticed the Panthers ball carrier would get tackled, hit the ground, and he'd ROLL FORWARD and the refs would give them another three, four yards on the spot of the ball. Why don't the Saints do stuff like that? Because they SUCK. Back when we were good, we used to get away with all kinds of stuff and get favorable calls going our way, all the time.
OK, officials can give judgement calls to a winning team but you can't give them the obvious 12 men on the field. I could see it sitting 8 rows in the stands and was even yelling at the refs to throw the flag. I don't care if you are 0-11 or 11-0 you don't blow calls like that. And yes I firmly believe the Panthers win was aided by the bad calls and lack of calls.

RaginCajun83 12-08-2015 09:13 AM
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the last play happened in front of my dad's seats, he said Cooks was held before the ball got there, I was in the terrace so I couldn't tell. I told him good teams get those calls

The Dude 12-08-2015 12:48 PM
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Cooks could have had that ball. I thought it was a miscommunication but he had his man beat


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