We need to go after a big receiver in Free Agency
 

Once we cut Browner and Drew restructures[assuming Sean stays], we should be able to afford one and then go after a bunch of underrated defensive pieces. I think we need to focus the draft on a pass rusher first and then shore u the oline. I don't trust that Drew will bounce back without a number 1 receiver.

I think receivers for FA that I feel most confident in
DT[he'll want to leave if Manning is done there]
Megatron[don't care about age, Jordy is likely to bounce back and he's older]
Tate[Megatron's teammate but given his character it's not likely to happen]
Wallace[he's not a fit in Minnesota and he hasn't had a to qb throw to him since Big Ben]

Who I don't feel confident with
Sanu

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I want to shore up the G spot in the 1st a road grader type. The I have to wait and see who our DC is.But DEFENSE IS HIGH ON MY LIST!!

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We don't do that. When have we ever signed established veteran WR's? Payton believes in developing his own.

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This is what bothers me. Who on our team has shown to catch a pass consistently? I will say this I am not seeing runs after the catch no one is extending yardage. A Megatron will do that. This season has got my head messed up.

I pray that I finally have a life because this will be the offseason where I will be in "I will believe it when I see it" mode. I can no longer be about football during the offseason.

I will always be a fan but my spirit is broken.

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How about Brandin Cooks? Or even the 6'6" Brandon Coleman had a good game against a very good Panthers defense...

The answer is protecting Drew better; he can make a somebody out of a nobody with a clean pocket to throw from...

Or Willie Snead until his injury, Benjamin Watson is having his best receiving season ever...

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I feel you on the receiver. I dont think Drew will be here if Payton stays. I look for Payton to leave anyway. The front office isnt as stupid as some of us like to believe. They know that if they want to attract a decent head coach Drew is a hell of a bargaining chip. I look for them to keep Drew because believe it or not he is still playing at a very high level in spite of his offensive line. Coming to a team that already has a good QB, at least for a couple of years looks good for perspective coaches. Gives them more time to find a QB who can be "their guy".

I think we should get an immediete impact receiver in the draft any way we can. Receiver is one position that rookies can step into quite nicely. Hopefully he will be good enough initially to give Brees the confidence he needs to look his way as a passing option on any given down. 2 years down the road you have a young veteran that can help the new QB develop. Brees has always mode our receivers look better than they are and a young stud receiver with a couple years under his belt can make a new QB more comforatable in the same way. All of a sudden now you have two young players to build around.

FA is ok, but star receivers arent just hanging on trees like ****ing crab apples. We could find an older servicable receiver somewhere but you would be in the same boat in a couple years.

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I agree with you but as he gets older he is going to become less acurate and is going to need a receiver who can get the tough balls no matter how much protection he has. I think you need veterans for the offensive line. It takes a few years to develop a rookie lineman and that is something Drew doesnt have.

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One thing I will say from now on...

You do not build a great team from free agent acquisitions, you build a great team from drafting/scouting well.

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Please-please-please-please NO big name free agent WR's. The only free agent WR's I would go for are guys who may have been bad fits for other teams that can be had cheap and developed. In other words if there is another Joe Horn type out there, lets go get that guy and leave the big name people alone.

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The thing about Calvin Johnson is that he has a huge contract coming to him next season which might make teams shy away ... IDK exactly how all the financials work, but he is set to get paid in 2016. Otherwise, there's no NFL player in history other than Barry Sanders I can honestly say I've enjoyed watching more.

Be nice to see him get a ring & have an elite QB throwing to him, :neutral:. Golden Tate's not that bad, being on a losing team has given him a little different perspective on life, IMO, :lol:.

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The offense is fine -- Drew put up 38 points against a top defense that is quite probably going to be in the Super Bowl or deep in the playoffs. It's the defense, defense, DEFENSE that is still a dumpster fire, and needs to overhauled from top to bottom.

The last thing we need is drunk Loomis opening Benson's wallet and spending more cap money trying to make a "big splash" in free agency. That's what got us into this mess. Loomis and Payton are like a couple of drunks when it comes to recklessly spending Tom Benson's money, and we don't need to enable them any further.

The way it stands right now, the only way the Saints can ever win, is that Drew Brees needs to score EVERY SINGLE TIME HE TOUCHES THE BALL. Every drive has to be for points, or else we are toast when the other team gets the ball -- that's what happens in almost every game. A single punt or missed field goal, and the game is basically over, 14 points, 21 points it doesn't matter -- we lose any lead we have. The last thing we need is to worry about Drew having to score more points to get a bigger lead.

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'sign a big WR' 'We need a solid RB' ' Drew needs to go and we should draft Connor Cook'

All these statements are bogus if you believe, like me, NFL games are won and lost in the trenches. The O-line and defensive front 7 are our biggest needs.

Senio, Lelito, Evans, Strief its been fun but you guys need to find employment elsewhere. The Saints need to strengthen the line or it won't matter who we have at the skill positions.

The Dline needs another End that is not a liability in the run game. Then, get rid of Hawthorne and draft a weakside linebacker who can play the run and is decent in coverage.

I know the DBs(mainly Browner) get a lot of flack, and they should because they look lost out there, but Breaux/Lewis/Swann/PJ give me a good feeling about our DBs if only the front 7 could create pressure. Browner needs to go. He can't cover and refs are singling him out with penalties. I don't see the need to draft a CB but a Safety should be high on our list.

There is a lot that needs to be fixed and Brees will NEED to restructure his deal or get traded/released/retire in order to make this team competitive again, but I don't think grabbing a FA skill position is the answer.

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Saints need to build the offensive and defensive line in free agency and the draft unless someone falls (like Reggie Bush) into their laps who they can't pass on.

I really hope Loomis learned that winning March doesn't mean a thing in December

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Notice how many leads we've seemed to simply just fart away this year? We have zero depth. Zero depth at defensive line. Zero depth at linebacker.

Wonder why we're starting 2 rookies at linebacker? No depth at linebacker. Wonder why an UDFA is starting on the defensive line? No depth at defensive line.

Our Front 7 is a hot garbage trainwreck that has blown so many 2nd half leads that it has become common and puts this defense at the bottom of the NFL...but if a Megatron or a D. Thomas will help us score 56, our defense better hold the opponent to 55 next year.

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I will disagree with anyone that thinks we need to look beyond our o-line and front seven defenders. All our problems get solved by protecting Drew and making holes offensively and on the defense generating a pass rush and stopping the run. Receivers and secondary are both made better by time. QB gets time, receivers get open. Get to the opposing QB and defensive backs don't have to cover for long.

Drew can make any receiver look decent given time in the pocket and Ingram and Robinson are capable backs with blocking. I do not agree with addressing WR or RB with any more high draft picks or FA pick ups except for depth. Our money and top picks need to be spent on the lines.

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i think we can sneak a WR and/ TE in the draft

round 2
Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh 6015 200 4.47
Jake Butt TE Michigan 6051 248 4.83

round 4/5
Tajae Sharpe, WR, UMass 6025 200 4.48

but OLB DE with the ability to seal the edge is needed big time
OG is a an abyss

we keep heading north in the draft and we stick with a 43 defense i would look at a draft like this as a good risk rewards while filling needs. but were do we address the secondary

Round 1
Jaylon Smith OLB Noter Dame 6025 240 4.67

Round 2
Vadal Alexander LOG/T LSU 6051 326 5.39

Round 3
Chris Jones DT/DE Mississippi St 6045 308 5.12

Round 4
Sebastian Tretola, ROG, Arkansas 6045 334 5.28

Round 5 142
Tajae Sharpe, WR, UMass 6025 200 4.48

Round 6 New Orleans → Washington

Round 7 206
Josh Tupou, NT, Colorado 6-3 325 5.00


but in no way should we be adding big ticketed FA. We need to go balk to the approach of making a bunch of small ripples in the FA pond rather than these huge splashes.

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+1 Hagan. I'm sure a cap guru on this board will confirm but even if the Saints cut Browner, he is still owed roughly 5M. Gallette's 16M deal & Spiller was given 5M for 4 or 5 snaps a ball game. Oh and don't forget Byrd's FA deal :disgusted:.

No more high dollar FA signings. Build through the draft.

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First off. We haven't developed a wide receiver since Curtis Johnson left. I believe that he is still available after Tulane let him go. This is one of Payton's old drinking buddies I want on the team and hope he and Sean are in close contact waiting on the end of the season. I think Henry Ellard is our current wide receivers coach who hasn't developed talent yet. And before you say Snead is good. He was listed as a developmental prospect when he actually was much farther along. His draw backs in the draft process were his size and speed. But he's a coaches son and is smart.

Anyway, Drew needs a true number one at this stage of the game. If we can bring in a player who plays a back up role somewhere else with potential then I'm in. But we can't take a risk on another splash in free agency.

Basically, we have so many holes to fill that it's not top on my list anymore.

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So you credit Carolina for keeping Brees out of the endzone the first half more than the saints offense? Gotcha.

FYI-Brees looked better in the second half because they weren't running the ball, more oortunities for catches. To say we could not do that in the first half is not right. You can blame run blocking, but Ingram's run well on second down. Now that he's done, we'll see what Drew does with no Ingram to run the ball on first down.

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We don't need to go for another potential Toon from a school that doesn't have five star recruiting or hope for the next Colston from a division II school.

Toon didn't work out because he came from a school that does not produce NFL talent[Wilson was a transfer].

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God I hope you are wrong.

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Wait, what?

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JJ Watt says hello

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All I know is that our rookie middle linebacker outscored our offense in the 1st half of the Carolina game. We played good defense in the 1st half, and Carolina is a great defensive team. We just ain't got no depth for any 2nd half against any physical team. Credit Brees & the offensive coaches for scoring like they did.

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Saints' Stephone Anthony on pace to set franchise record

He isn't getting the proper praise because the overall D has been so bad but Stephone is a keeper. He is playing up to his draft status & then some.

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No, he didn't.

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OK, yippie, the Saints got LUCKY on a fumble and a 2 point conversion going the other way. The defense is still a complete dumpster fire, any way you look at it! Newton passed for 5 TDs, if you didn't notice!

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We need a stud DT, a pass rushing DE, and two beastly guards before we pick anything else. Then, we need CB and S. No projects with upside.

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You do know that J.J. Watt, Joe Thomas and Travis Frederick are practically the best in the league at their respective positions and they came from that school that does not produce NFL talent, right?

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Times a million. Because why get a project with upside if our coaches can't develop squat?

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Think I heard Butt in an interview yesterday say he was coming back to Michigan for his senior year ... good thing, we've been having a lot of fun with his name, even the announcer's have a hard time keeping a straight face when they inadvertently say stuff like, "Butt's in motion" or "Movement by Butt", :lol:.

http://d3f5994kvuwcz1.cloudfront.net...tt-jerseys.png

I wish I could find the Jimmy Fallon clip from the Tonight Show the other day where he had some good jokes about Butt being named Big Ten Tight End of the Year, it was pretty funny, :lol:.

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JJ Watt was also playing before the SEC started stealing the recruits. Wisconsin has not had the same quality of talent in the last few years. Look at Montee Ball and Melvin Gordon?

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Exactly he scored 29.

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Were they first year studs?

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Yes. Very much so.

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I agree were are so close to making your dreams come true if we keep on losing and make it into the to 5. still need to know if we are a 43 or 43 d.

Robert Nkemdiche DT/DE Mississppi 6032 296 4.86
vs
Jalen Ramsey, S/CB, Florida State, 6005, 202, 4.49

Pick 7 is a whole different cast of players

Jaylon Smith OLB Noter Dame 6025 240 4.67
vs
Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame 6055 315 5.17
vs
Laquon Treadwell WR Mississippi 6031 210 4.52


At CB you do have some solid scrappy types. That will contribute right out of the gate. Run support and tackling has to be key IMO so a couple I like are round 3 guys. Think Mike McKenzie types give or take an inch

Desmond King
Eric Murray

We would need a whole lot of luck to get this draft to work out right. The key maybe picking ahead of the Ravens. You know they will not let defense get past them.

But it is still early we have all the bowls to get through.

Keep an eye out for WR Tajae Sharpe he accepted an invitation the East West Shrine and NFLPA games. I would not be surprised to see him as a long shot that ends up as a late invite to the senior bowl. I really like this kid.

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It had nothing to do with what school he went to. He had 3 years to acclimate to the NFL. Thats almost an entire college career but spent in the real NFL and not college. He had every recource available to him to be successful and acheive.Toon did not work out because he wasnt talented enough.

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This is how the Packers do it.

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Two words why this is not the move to make: Cap Space

We are already overloaded with FA who are over priced and under performing. How about we develop some talent through...wait for it...
The Draft?

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I think we have two. Give these two guys time. Brandin Cooks, Brandon Coleman had a good game against a very good Panthers defense. Next year could be a their break out year.