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Just looking back at all the games from 2004. While Brooks' had a couple of bad games, our run and pass defense, and our running game on offense played a mighty big role in the losses too.

If anyone is interested here are the games of 2004!


Saints:13 Broncos:34

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W-L do not belong to players. This is a team game.

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What a suprise....another Brooks thread....

You post the same argument...over and over...and expect a different result?...

There\'s a word for that...but..I won\'t be the one to say it...

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Believe me, JKool, I could not agree more.

But there are cases where ONE player can have a play of two that dramatically effects the outcome of the game.

Especially on offense. And that\'s especially true when you have a defense like ours. Our offensive mistakes are magnified because of our terrible defense. Does that make any sense?

Take the Bucs game for example:

Saints:17 Bucs:20

We lost by 3 points. Deuce fumbled the ball twice. One was returned for 7 points. But is the loss ALL on Decue? Of course not.

Here\'s another example:

Saints:21 Falcons: 24

We lost by 3 points. Brooks threw 2 interceptions. Is the loss all on Brooks? Of course not. We were ahead with less than 2-minutes to go and the defense let the Falcons score a TD for the win. But, I can\'t blame it ALL on the defense either.

In conclusion, you are right, you win as a team and you lose as a team.

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I\'m trying to have a quality discussion with whomever would like to participate.

Feel free to join in.

Where\'s my ignore button...LMAO!!

Here\'s a tip... when you see my name on the post, just save yourself some time and ignore it. But, feel free to send me an E-mail if you wish to tell me in the future...


Let\'s keep it without the attack, shall we?

[Edited on 22/2/2005 by JOESAM2002]

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I agree. However, unless that play is a score, other players are involved in whether or not it becomes 3, 6, 7, or 0 points. Thus, even when it is the offenses fault that the defense must defend from their own four yard line, some of the blame (even if it is only a small amount) goes to the defensive players.

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Come on guys. If you don\'t want to read a post or thread, then don\'t read it. No need to comment about it. Thanks.

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Oh. Look at that. Another post from JoeSam telling the rest of us how to post. Imagine that! LOL. ;)

It\'s a joke Joe... don\'t want to get that blood pressure up. That heart might just jump right out of your chest. Woo-saaa. :)

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I\'m saying you have to hang it on the coaches. Haslett has to be the one to blame. It seemed like it was always one facet of the game that didn\'t play well. And Venturi, that man is the anti-Christ in my mind. DDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNN with Venturi!!!!!!!!!!!

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I posted the stats for the individual games because I thought it might be a little easier to factor JKool\'s \"blame distribution\" theory.

By the way, JKool, I like the blame distribution idea.. :D

Stats in no way tell the whole story, but, they do tell a story.

Anyway, I thought it was interesting. You can just never please everyone, I suppose. ;)

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;)

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32nd ranked DEFENSE.......END OF DISCUSSION!!!!!!!

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This is about the dumbest thread I have seen since the old Saints forum days.

What is your point? That you learned how to cut and paste?

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As usual, I\'m going to ignore that. Hopefully the moderators won\'t.

And I\'m sure he won\'t.

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The entire coaching staff is to blame.
They not only put together a horrible defense, but created an even worse scheme for the D we had.
And the play calling was horrific.
I could even predict the majority of the plays and I never studied film like the opposing D did.
They barley through in variation and when they did it was at the wrong time. :mad:

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Now the thread has a point.... Thank you TAY TAY for validating Gumbo\'s original question

My earlier post was not personal, just honest!

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Look, man, I don\'t know you and I don\'t know when it\'s \"personal\" or not.

To be honest, none of that stuff bothers me too much. But, I figure if you\'ll say it to me that you don\'t mind calling anyone\'s post stupid.

We\'ve almost had one of our best members leave the board because of stuff like this.

There\'s no need for it. Other members aren\'t so willing to put up with it like I am.

I don\'t want to see good members leave this board. This ain\'t NOLA.com.

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4DSaints ck your PM\'s please.

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Bless your heart Gumbo :D

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4DSaints --

Hey, dude, it\'s all good. No hard feelings here. I hope you stay and look foward to hearing your view on the team.

Super Bowl Baby!! We\'re all Saints\' fans!!