rezburna

Yes, it's extremely sad.

burningmetal

I knew I was forgetting someone, thanks for reminding me. Ol' Cam Newton. He's another who relies a ton on his legs and isn't exactly polished as a passer. His career has gotten off to a very similar start to Vick's. Teams are over committing on his running ability and making it too easy in the passing game. They get offense from the big chunk plays, as opposed to methodically moving it down the field.

It's only a matter of time before Cam starts trending down with the rest of them, unless he actually changes his game. Mcnabb came into the league as a runner, but became a pocket passer and extended his career. He wasn't great, but he was able to sustain himself.

The other guys you mentioned are not runners, my friend. There's a huge difference between being able to run when you have to, and being an actual dual threat QB. Rodgers, Luck, Steve Young, Fran Tarkenton.... All athletic guys who can/could extend plays with their feet, but not guys who are/were just looking to run it all the time.

That's why I said I like athleticism in QB's, but not actual dual threat guys. Not in the NFL, anyway. Bridgewater is not a great runner, never has been. He really doesn't belong in the dual threat conversation. But as long as we're talking about him, I think calling his season "great" is a huge reach. He's had a pretty wildly inconsistent year. Before you think that his team being 9-5 has much to do with him, I'll remind you that they made the playoffs with Christian Ponder, once. I think Teddy has potential, but he's got a long way to go.

As for Wilson, I already mentioned him. He's on a good run, right now. He was not so good in the first half of the season, and has always been a game manager. But I'll give him his due for accepting that role and not screwing things up (most of the time).

Marcus Mariota has done nothing but lose so far. Winston, again, not a dual threat QB, bro. Just because he's black and runs every now and then, does not make him a running QB. And you don't think Kaepernick should have been benched? WOW... Now you're just closing your eyes and hoping I won't read.

This last crop of "dual threat" guys that have been struggling have clearly began to sway the movement back toward pocket passers. If you look at prospect boards and see who's getting all the attention, it's a bunch of tall, slow guys with rocket arms. There's going to be a guy who lights the world on fire with his legs every now and then who teams will still take a chance on. And those are the kind of teams that keep losing.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

Saint in Aus

At the right price, I am fine with it. Unfortunately, we don't have a good track record of paying the right price, so it's a no from me.

brees84

RG3 lol

In Washington, teammates absolutely hated RG3.

Danno

I'd heard that too, but was it media rumor mongering or was it actually true?

brees84

Rumor doesn't last that long. And multiple players were blaming him weekly.
His interviews are something like this: It's not my fault, coaches suck, teammates suck...

nola_swammi

Pass

OldMaid

Manziel is a hot mess every which way still. Immature. Ungrate. A head case. Needs a babysitter.

No way.

I like RGII personaly. He is a decent guy.
Too costly and he just did not catch fire in the NFL. He is thisclose to done.
No to him.

Crusader

Oh hell no!

He isn't nearly as mobile as he used to be and that was his big thing from the start. He has never shown that he has the smarts to stand in the pocket and read an NFL defence in an effective way. Allready when he was drafted I was saying that the Redskins had a better QB on their roster in Cousins.

Halo

Sounds like the mouthpiece of the Roger Goodell regime -- NFL-Pravda Network -- is at it again. Nice propaganda Roger. Well played.