Saints have more problems than 2016 draft can fix

jeanpierre · 12-29-2015, 07:39 AM

On offense, needs are Starting Right Guard and Starting WR (X) receiver, that's it really...

On defense, first thing you have to do is decide what kind of defense is going to be schemed because we've drafted 3-4 personnel for the front seven the past two drafts and we're running a 4-3 to feature Cam Jordan (who's looked awful as a pass rusher and has blown containment on several big run gashes (Detroit late comes to mind))...

Cam is a poor fit, should be traded for that reason and to begin to unload cap space...

If we continue to draft 3-4. as we have for the front seven these past two drafts (i.e. Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull, John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison) getting OLB Karim Edebali on the field and ILB Dannel Ellerbe healthy, then we only have need for a MLB for depth and a couple of late round maulers for the three down linemen rotation...

So we're not that far away...Now, if we reverse course and build a 4-3 around Cam Jordan, there's more work to be done and is a mistake because Jordan isn't as effective against regular starting offensive linemen...

mighty12 · 12-31-2015, 05:43 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

On defense, first thing you have to do is decide what kind of defense is going to be schemed because we've drafted 3-4 personnel for the front seven the past two drafts and we're running a 4-3 to feature Cam Jordan (who's looked awful as a pass rusher and has blown containment on several big run gashes (Detroit late comes to mind))...

Cam is a poor fit, should be traded for that reason and to begin to unload cap space...

So we're not that far away...Now, if we reverse course and build a 4-3 around Cam Jordan, there's more work to be done and is a mistake because Jordan isn't as effective against regular starting offensive linemen...

I don't understand the reasoning behind getting rid of Jordan. He is the best lineman we have and arguably the best defensive player. He has as many pressures as J.J. Watt and is THE leader of the defense. We need to be building around him on the front 7. Here is what ProFootball Focus said about him in their '10 biggest pro bowl snubs' article:

Cameron Jordan, DE, New Orleans Saints (91.6):

A late season surge is something that you could definitely not level at Cameron Jordan, who has been ultra productive on a bad Saints’ defense since the start of the season. That last point is perhaps what has held Jordan off of the roster; unfairly overlooked on an individual level due to the failings of the defensive unit around him. What more Jordan could have done than rack up 66 defensive pressures, five batted passes, and 30 stops to help those around him, I’m not quite sure. A crowded pack on the edge for certain, but Jordan’s play this season is absolutely worthy of a trip to Hawaii.

blackangold · 12-31-2015, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by mighty12

I don't understand the reasoning behind getting rid of Jordan. He is the best lineman we have and arguably the best defensive player. He has as many pressures as J.J. Watt and is THE leader of the defense. We need to be building around him on the front 7. Here is what ProFootball Focus said about him in their '10 biggest pro bowl snubs' article:

Cameron Jordan, DE, New Orleans Saints (91.6):

A late season surge is something that you could definitely not level at Cameron Jordan, who has been ultra productive on a bad Saints’ defense since the start of the season. That last point is perhaps what has held Jordan off of the roster; unfairly overlooked on an individual level due to the failings of the defensive unit around him. What more Jordan could have done than rack up 66 defensive pressures, five batted passes, and 30 stops to help those around him, I’m not quite sure. A crowded pack on the edge for certain, but Jordan’s play this season is absolutely worthy of a trip to Hawaii.

Cam Jordan is easily the best defensive player we have. He also consistently ranks out on the top of his position in pass rushing and run stopping according to pff. Don't pay attention to the knee jerk reaction folks.

Cam needs some players across the line which can also draw double teams. Outside of Cam we have NO ONE that poses any threat. We have the worst front 4 in the NFL, if jj watt had the supporting cast Cam had, jj wouldn't be a pro bowler every year.

halloween 65 · 12-31-2015, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Cam Jordan is easily the best defensive player we have. He also consistently ranks out on the top of his position in pass rushing and run stopping according to pff. Don't pay attention to the knee jerk reaction folks.

Cam needs some players across the line which can also draw double teams. Outside of Cam we have NO ONE that poses any threat. We have the worst front 4 in the NFL, if jj watt had the supporting cast Cam had, jj wouldn't be a pro bowler every year.

Cam Jordan is not even on the same level as Watts and never will be. Watts never takes plays off and constantly beats O-linemen. I would trade him in a heartbeat just like I would have trader Ellis, Vilma and Smith. I can't see cutting him because he does produce to a point but I'm all about trading him for picks. As far as building a D around him, hell no.

12-29-2015, 07:39 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints have more problems than 2016 draft can fix On offense, needs are Starting Right Guard and Starting WR (X) receiver, that's it really... On defense, first thing you have to do is decide what kind of defense is going to be schemed because we've drafted 3-4 personnel for the front seven the past two drafts and we're running a 4-3 to feature Cam Jordan (who's looked awful as a pass rusher and has blown containment on several big run gashes (Detroit late comes to mind))... Cam is a poor fit, should be traded for that reason and to begin to unload cap space... If we continue to draft 3-4. as we have for the front seven these past two drafts (i.e. Stephone Anthony, Hau'oli Kikaha, Davis Tull, John Jenkins, Tyeler Davison) getting OLB Karim Edebali on the field and ILB Dannel Ellerbe healthy, then we only have need for a MLB for depth and a couple of late round maulers for the three down linemen rotation... So we're not that far away...Now, if we reverse course and build a 4-3 around Cam Jordan, there's more work to be done and is a mistake because Jordan isn't as effective against regular starting offensive linemen... halloween 65 likes this.
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12-31-2015, 05:43 AM	#2
mighty12 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 980 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints have more problems than 2016 draft can fix Originally Posted by jeanpierre On defense, first thing you have to do is decide what kind of defense is going to be schemed because we've drafted 3-4 personnel for the front seven the past two drafts and we're running a 4-3 to feature Cam Jordan (who's looked awful as a pass rusher and has blown containment on several big run gashes (Detroit late comes to mind))... Cam is a poor fit, should be traded for that reason and to begin to unload cap space... So we're not that far away...Now, if we reverse course and build a 4-3 around Cam Jordan, there's more work to be done and is a mistake because Jordan isn't as effective against regular starting offensive linemen... I don't understand the reasoning behind getting rid of Jordan. He is the best lineman we have and arguably the best defensive player. He has as many pressures as J.J. Watt and is THE leader of the defense. We need to be building around him on the front 7. Here is what ProFootball Focus said about him in their '10 biggest pro bowl snubs' article: Cameron Jordan, DE, New Orleans Saints (91.6): A late season surge is something that you could definitely not level at Cameron Jordan, who has been ultra productive on a bad Saints’ defense since the start of the season. That last point is perhaps what has held Jordan off of the roster; unfairly overlooked on an individual level due to the failings of the defensive unit around him. What more Jordan could have done than rack up 66 defensive pressures, five batted passes, and 30 stops to help those around him, I’m not quite sure. A crowded pack on the edge for certain, but Jordan’s play this season is absolutely worthy of a trip to Hawaii. CharityMike likes this.

12-31-2015, 09:27 AM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints have more problems than 2016 draft can fix Originally Posted by mighty12 I don't understand the reasoning behind getting rid of Jordan. He is the best lineman we have and arguably the best defensive player. He has as many pressures as J.J. Watt and is THE leader of the defense. We need to be building around him on the front 7. Here is what ProFootball Focus said about him in their '10 biggest pro bowl snubs' article: Cameron Jordan, DE, New Orleans Saints (91.6): A late season surge is something that you could definitely not level at Cameron Jordan, who has been ultra productive on a bad Saints’ defense since the start of the season. That last point is perhaps what has held Jordan off of the roster; unfairly overlooked on an individual level due to the failings of the defensive unit around him. What more Jordan could have done than rack up 66 defensive pressures, five batted passes, and 30 stops to help those around him, I’m not quite sure. A crowded pack on the edge for certain, but Jordan’s play this season is absolutely worthy of a trip to Hawaii. Cam Jordan is easily the best defensive player we have. He also consistently ranks out on the top of his position in pass rushing and run stopping according to pff. Don't pay attention to the knee jerk reaction folks. Cam needs some players across the line which can also draw double teams. Outside of Cam we have NO ONE that poses any threat. We have the worst front 4 in the NFL, if jj watt had the supporting cast Cam had, jj wouldn't be a pro bowler every year. mighty12 likes this.

12-31-2015, 03:28 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints have more problems than 2016 draft can fix Originally Posted by blackangold Cam Jordan is easily the best defensive player we have. He also consistently ranks out on the top of his position in pass rushing and run stopping according to pff. Don't pay attention to the knee jerk reaction folks. Cam needs some players across the line which can also draw double teams. Outside of Cam we have NO ONE that poses any threat. We have the worst front 4 in the NFL, if jj watt had the supporting cast Cam had, jj wouldn't be a pro bowler every year. Cam Jordan is not even on the same level as Watts and never will be. Watts never takes plays off and constantly beats O-linemen. I would trade him in a heartbeat just like I would have trader Ellis, Vilma and Smith. I can't see cutting him because he does produce to a point but I'm all about trading him for picks. As far as building a D around him, hell no.

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