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WhoDat!656 12-27-2015 10:30 AM

Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
I doubt the Saints put it that bluntly to Brees.

NFL Network reporter Ian Rapoport wrote "I'm told he has to take a hometown discount to return."

Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says | NOLA.com

|Mitch| 12-27-2015 11:18 AM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
I wouldn't be disappointed if he retired or decided to play for someone else... I'm ready for a change, it would be nice to see what we have in Garrett Grayson first though

AllSaints 12-27-2015 02:18 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
It's time take a pay cut or restructure or see ya

ChrisXVI 12-27-2015 02:22 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
He doesn't need to take a discount... Just extend his contract by a year or two and shift money into a 2016 signing bonus making it a front-loaded contract where he makes essentially the same next year without the cap issues.

spkb25 12-27-2015 06:15 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Hyperbole- The art of Ian Rappaport and Laconfora

AsylumGuido 12-27-2015 06:16 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 687101)
I doubt the Saints put it that bluntly to Brees.

NFL Network reporter Ian Rapoport wrote "I'm told he has to take a hometown discount to return."

Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says | NOLA.com

How frickin' stupid can you get? Rapaport is the most ignorant of all "NFL insiders". Brees will restructure as planned for the past couple of years and the press will call it a "hometown discount" which will be nothing more than a cost accounting move which favors both Brees and the Saints, just like every other "hometown discount" in the history of the game.

What a dumbshyte!

AsylumGuido 12-27-2015 06:17 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 687200)
Hyperbole- The art of Ian Rappaport and Laconfora

Exactly.

AsylumGuido 12-27-2015 06:19 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 687105)
I wouldn't be disappointed if he retired or decided to play for someone else... I'm ready for a change, it would be nice to see what we have in Garrett Grayson first though

What we would have is a player that is nowhere close to being viable now and maybe ever as a starter. If being destined to winning four or five games at the most are not disappointing to you then by all means hope for that change.

:rolleyes:

voodooido 12-27-2015 06:25 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 (Post 687101)
I doubt the Saints put it that bluntly to Brees.

NFL Network reporter Ian Rapoport wrote "I'm told he has to take a hometown discount to return."

Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says | NOLA.com

Not really a "hometown discount". It would be just bringing his contract back to the real world. He will extend it by a year and knock it down to 20 million a year. Saves the Saints 10 million and he gets to retire a Saint. No team will trade for Brees at 30 million. It just won't happen. Either he fixes it or the team will be in cap hell again next year. No cutting or trading at this point.

voodooido 12-27-2015 06:27 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AllSaints (Post 687133)
It's time take a pay cut or restructure or see ya


Yeah, because it makes sense to eat 19 million more in dead money.

Halo 12-27-2015 06:39 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
All week long... all game long... all I hear from "the media" and NFL.com is Sean Payton trade to Dolphins or somewhere else, Brees taking a paycut, Saints cutting Brees, trade involving Brees and Sean Payton, Saints firing Sean Payton...

Then Jeff Duncan publishes the biggest piece of crap article in NOLA.com asking Tom Benson to please sell the Saints and Pelicans?

Who makes this crap up? Oh the media, that's right.

Ian Rappaport is not a source.
NFL.com is a mouthpiece for Goodell (out to give the Saints a black eye).
Saints need a media person to deny EVERYTHING.
Jeff Duncan of the T-P and Nola.com does NOT speak for the fans.

Sad!

AsylumGuido 12-27-2015 06:54 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 687209)
All week long... all game long... all I hear from "the media" and NFL.com is Sean Payton trade to Dolphins or somewhere else, Brees taking a paycut, Saints cutting Brees, trade involving Brees and Sean Payton, Saints firing Sean Payton...

Then Jeff Duncan publishes the biggest piece of crap article in NOLA.com asking Tom Benson to please sell the Saints and Pelicans?

Who makes this crap up? Oh the media, that's right.

Ian Rappaport is not a source.
NFL.com is a mouthpiece for Goodell (out to give the Saints a black eye).
Saints need a media person to deny EVERYTHING.
Jeff Duncan of the T-P and Nola.com does NOT speak for the fans.

Sad!

True dat! :mad:

Danno 12-27-2015 06:57 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 687201)
How frickin' stupid can you get? Rapaport is the most ignorant of all "NFL insiders". Brees will restructure as planned for the past couple of years and the press will call it a "hometown discount" which will be nothing more than a cost accounting move which favors both Brees and the Saints, just like every other "hometown discount" in the history of the game.

What a dumbshyte!

Yep, he'll restructure, get more guaranteed money from the Saints and fans/media will call it a "pay cut."

Fans I can understand, but the sports media should know better.

ChrisXVI 12-27-2015 07:00 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 687218)
Yep, he'll restructure, get more guaranteed money from the Saints and fans/media will call it a "pay cut."

Fans I can understand, but the sports media should know better.

It's the Tom Brady move. He did this and the media pleasures themselves raw over how amazing it was that he took a "pay cut" even though he ended up making the same amount just without the same cap hit to the team.

AsylumGuido 12-27-2015 07:00 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno (Post 687218)
Yep, he'll restructure, get more guaranteed money from the Saints and fans/media will call it a "pay cut."

Fans I can understand, but the sports media should know better.

No, I have worked with the sports media (was one) and the average one knows less about finance than your average homeless person. Honestly.

AsylumGuido 12-27-2015 07:02 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 687219)
It's the Tom Brady move. He did this and the media pleasures themselves raw over how amazing it was that he took a "pay cut" even though he ended up making the same amount just without the same cap hit to the team.

Yup, and increased his guarantee. That is the win/win I mentioned earlier in this thread ... and about five hundred other times over the past three years on this site.

halloween 65 12-27-2015 07:16 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Depends how the O-line gets fixed wheathr Brees is worth whatever he gets or don't get. I would hate to see a high dollar qb. having to run for his life. Brees isn't a spring chicken anymore.

|Mitch| 12-27-2015 07:28 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 687205)
What we would have is a player that is nowhere close to being viable now and maybe ever as a starter. If being destined to winning four or five games at the most are not disappointing to you then by all means hope for that change.

:rolleyes:

Seems we are having a hard time as is, not being able to afford a defense... just sayin'

hagan714 12-27-2015 09:19 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
from super bowl talk to tar and feathers and run him out of town on on a rail.

talk about bandwagon jumper. pencil them down as fair weather fans at best.

The Dude 12-27-2015 09:32 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
We lose Brees and we can kiss being competitive bye bye for several years. He is still a better option than anyone else out there or anyone else in the next couple of years drafts. He has plenty left in the tank. Get a good receiver in the draft and be on the lookout for a replacement that can come in in a year or two and sit for a year before taking over. Brees can still get it done at an elite level for two or three more years if we can get him another receiver to throw to and some help up front.
No sense in getting rid of a franchise QB just because it feels like time for a change from some fans.

Extend his contract like the above poster said.

We can afford a defense. We have more money tied up in defense than we do in offense if you exclude Brees. Loomis got us the money to build a very good defense. The scouting and coaching staff just made poor choices on who to spend that money on.

K Major 12-27-2015 09:40 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Why won't Ian Rappaport ever report us getting rid of McMahon, Bill Johnson, Vitt or #39??

Halo 12-27-2015 10:12 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 687227)
Seems we are having a hard time as is, not being able to afford a defense... just sayin'

Brees is still under guaranteed contract. So cutting him he still hits our cap by like 15 million at the least (I don't have the chart in front of me) and we WON'T EVEN HAVE HIM to play. So he'll still be guaranteed money from us and can pick up a huge contract elsewhere and make double salary. It's stupid.

If we really wanted to get rid of Brees, ask him to restructure, and if not, DON'T resign him after next year. Otherwise, cutting him lose is the stupidest thing we could do. Just sayin'.

We really can't afford a defense because we wasted HUGE cap on flunkies like Byrd and Browner. Byrd is the MOST disturbing for his lack of production vs. what he is paid. Browner is just disturbing in general, but gets paid less than Byrd. It's sad, cutting both would improve our team, but cutting Byrd (at least) is another guaranteed contract that will hit our cap. STUPID!

We should NEVER have let go Roman Harper or Tracy Porter for that matter. Both are productive in the NFL and don't get paid as much as some of our dummies do!

brees84 12-27-2015 10:46 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 687248)
We really can't afford a defense because we wasted HUGE cap on flunkies like Byrd and Browner.

Âgree. And don't forget Galette contract...

saintfan 12-27-2015 11:05 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 687200)
Hyperbole- The art of Ian Rappaport and Laconfora

Well now I don't rekon that's 'art'.

:p

darksoul35 12-28-2015 08:35 AM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 687205)
What we would have is a player that is nowhere close to being viable now and maybe ever as a starter. If being destined to winning four or five games at the most are not disappointing to you then by all means hope for that change.

:rolleyes:

Agreed. I think bringing the coach back is just as important. I understand that I am thinking of 09 when I say this but I don't want to be the team that fires coaches every 2 to 3 years. Every team has to rebuild with Pats maybe being the exception but he will get this turned around.

lumm0x 12-28-2015 10:47 AM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 687240)
We lose Brees and we can kiss being competitive bye bye for several years. He is still a better option than anyone else out there or anyone else in the next couple of years drafts. He has plenty left in the tank. Get a good receiver in the draft and be on the lookout for a replacement that can come in in a year or two and sit for a year before taking over. Brees can still get it done at an elite level for two or three more years if we can get him another receiver to throw to and some help up front.
No sense in getting rid of a franchise QB just because it feels like time for a change from some fans.

Extend his contract like the above poster said.

We can afford a defense. We have more money tied up in defense than we do in offense if you exclude Brees. Loomis got us the money to build a very good defense. The scouting and coaching staff just made poor choices on who to spend that money on.

100%. Brees isn't the problem. He is performing. It's the wasted money on bad defensive choices like Gallete, Browner and Byrd. Re-structuring Brees lets him put more money in the bank immediately and extends that cap hit over 2-3 more years to make it respectable and allow us a rebuild. Anyone wanting to see Grayson right now and Brees traded is a crack pot in my opinion. This can be fixed with the right draft and some shrewd FA signings.

RaginCajun83 12-28-2015 12:03 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Rappaport, LaConfora and Duncan can all go choke themselves

AllSaints 12-28-2015 12:23 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Hopefully Brees will take a page from Brady book restructure help the team out

Crusader 12-28-2015 12:25 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lumm0x (Post 687281)
100%. Brees isn't the problem. He is performing. It's the wasted money on bad defensive choices like Gallete, Browner and Byrd. Re-structuring Brees lets him put more money in the bank immediately and extends that cap hit over 2-3 more years to make it respectable and allow us a rebuild. Anyone wanting to see Grayson right now and Brees traded is a crack pot in my opinion. This can be fixed with the right draft and some shrewd FA signings.

If he would restructure over 5 years and play say 2 more years and the retire. What would happen then? Would there be a cap hit?

QBREES9 12-28-2015 12:54 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Be careful whet you wish for. Y'all just might get it. Why is everyone so quick to get rid of Drew. He's not the problem.

|Mitch| 12-28-2015 12:59 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 687297)
Be careful whet you wish for. Y'all just might get it. Why is everyone so quick to get rid of Drew. He's not the problem.

Well at 37 next month, I ask is he part of the solution?

Danno 12-28-2015 12:59 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 687297)
Be careful whet you wish for. Y'all just might get it. Why is everyone so quick to get rid of Drew. He's not the problem.

Who is everyone?

Danno 12-28-2015 01:12 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 687293)
If he would restructure over 5 years and play say 2 more years and the retire. What would happen then? Would there be a cap hit?

Here's a very simple example...

He’s due 20 million this season (He’s already been paid the original 10 million in bonus)

Lets say his market value is 20 million

We re-sign him to a 5 year deal, with 25 million in bonus money, its really a 3 year deal..
His cap hits are now…

2016 – 5 million + 10 (cap hit 15 million)
2017 – 5 million + 10 (cap hit 15 million)
2018 – 5 million + 10 (cap hit 15 million)

At this point he has pocketed 55 million from the Saints.

2019 – 5 million + 10 (cap hit 15 million, if cut it costs us 10 million in dead money)
2020 – 5 million + 10 (cap hit 15 million, if cut it costs us 5 million in dead money)

lee909 12-28-2015 01:17 PM

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Looks good

SapperSaint 12-28-2015 01:52 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Halo (Post 687248)
We should NEVER have let go Roman Harper or Tracy Porter for that matter. Both are productive in the NFL and don't get paid as much as some of our dummies do!

THIS! THIS should have never happened. Secondary went to crap QUICK!

lee909 12-28-2015 01:58 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Harper was being paid nearly $8ml a year if i remember correct. Far too much for what he was offering

lee909 12-28-2015 02:01 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
Sorry it was 6ml and 4.4ml in his last two years. Still too much

Cruize 12-28-2015 03:26 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
He won't take a discount and I understand it. As a Saints fan, I wish he would. But, I certainly won't think worse of him if he didn't. He's not the problem. He's still at the top of his game. The Saints defensive talent and coaching are the problem.

The problem with him staying with the Saints is, with his salary, the Saints will have to strike gold in the draft or low-rent free agency. Both are highly unlikely. Which will lead to another season like 2015. Not good enough regardless of how Drew plays.

Let Brees move on. Get draft picks for Payton. Hire Marrone and a completely new defensive staff. Let McNown, Flynn and Grayson battle it out for the QB job. Draft the best OG, OLB, DE, DT, TE, and WR available. Stay away from free agency unless it's the deal of the century. Get the cap right and move forward.

QBREES9 12-28-2015 03:49 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
He's not going anywhere.

darksoul35 12-28-2015 04:40 PM

Re: Drew Brees will need to take 'hometown discount' to stay after 2015, report says
 
If the real Lewis comes back our starting corners are golden. We will have Anthony in the middle and Cam on one end. If we can just get another good pass rusher so they cant always put a back to chip on Cam or move a TE on him our D is set. Our safeties are good enough with a little pressure on the opposing QB. I don't think we are that far away. As far as offense I think we are an average guard and a WR away from reclaiming the #1 offense.


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