Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

..wow.. this must be the first time in the history of the NFL that an offense raked higher than 10 in total defense!!!!!! :rollinglaugh:

..but seriously...
... a wise man once said:
\"...it takes longer to run the ball than to pass the ball...\"

Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

Gator --

Quit arguing just to be arguing. You know our defense suked. They would suck one a mile long if they didn\'t have to walk back...LMAO

Name 3 defenses worse than ours?

Tough ain\'t it? LOL

Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

You know I was only playing. Don\'t make me come over there!! :P

Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

well for one thing get your stat evidence right-the first rule in research is not to compare apples and oranges...

you want to find out why our offense hurt our defense look at time on feild and how many first downs our offense got verus how many our defense gave up...that would be a fair research..not scoring offense versus first down defense..that means nothing..

Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

I don\'t get what you\'re talking about.

Let me explain.....

It has been said that our offense was largely to blame for our defense finishing 32nd. They said we didn\'t make enough first downs and that put our defense back on the field.

I agree that our offense hurt our defense SOME.

But, as I\'ve shown, the Dolphins, Bucs, Ravens, Bills and Redskins offenses put their defense in more bad situations than ours and their defenses still finished in the TOP TEN!!

That\'s apples to apples all day long. At least in my eyes.

Take a bite of the appple .... see the light.... Hey, I\'m just kidding but do you see my point?

Also, yeah, everyone knows the best place for a struggling defense is on the bench. Does anyone think that someone doesn\'t know that? But, I also know that when our defense was on the field they couldn\'t stop ANYBODY.

Like I\'ve said, our defense EARNED every bit of that 32nd ranking. I can\'t think of ANYONE else that deserved it any more!!

Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

no apples to apples is looking at how many first downs our offense got..then looking at how many first downs our defense gave up...then looking at time on the feild..you will start to see a correlation. basic statistics.

Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

This is what I know:

The Dolphins, Redskins, Bucs, Ravens and Bills offenses made LESS first downs than us. I also know that all of those teams defenses allowed LESS first downs than our defense.

Those other team\'s offenses ran less plays than the Saints\' offense and their defenses still finished in the TOP 10. I\'m talking about TOP 10 here. Not 22nd, or 19th, TOP 10!

You think the Dolphins hurt their defense worse than our offense hurt our defense. We\'re talking about the freakin\' Dohpins\' offense. And their defense finished 8th in the NFL.



[Edited on 24/2/2005 by GumboBC]

[Edited on 24/2/2005 by GumboBC]

Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

I\'m going to be honest here, this apples and oranges thing never ceases to confuse me.

Some people think that comparing the Dolphins to the Saints is apples and oranges. Others think comparing the Defense to the Offense is apples and oranges.

Myself, I\'ve never really seen much of a problem comparing apples and oranges. One set is red and or green, the other is orange. One is more firm than the other. One has a horrible tasting peel. Those are comparisons aren\'t they?

I guess, I don\'t see a problem comparing the number of first downs allowed versus the number of first downs gained. I also don\'t see a problem comparing the Dolphins to the Saints. I guess the real questions are something more like these: (1) what are the relevant similarities (and there appear to be some in these cases), and (2) what conclusion are we trying to get from the comparison (some conclusions will be too strong to draw from a comparison, but others aren\'t too much of a stretch).

I guess, right now, I\'m inclined to think the Dolphins are a reasonable comparison. What does this show? It shows that an offense with a bad track record for first downs didn\'t hurt their defense. This should lead us to ask, why did our offense hurt our defense so much, when it didn\'t happen to this other team (or, perhaps, it should lead us to believe that the offenses lack of first downs is not correlated strongly to our defenses poor showing)?

Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

Well, the Dolphins D is A LOT more talented than ours, it\'s not even close. As well as any of those other teams mentioned. The talent on those defenses can overcome mistakes by their offenses. We have no such luxury. None. Our margin for error by our offense is minimal due to the lack of overall talent on the D, and they far exceeded it.

Offense hurt Defense Part 2.
 

;)

I see. Thus, it is because our Defense is so awful that our defense effects them so much. If our Defense was any good (or much better), then how our Offense did wouldn\'t effect them very much, if at all?

I think I\'m on board with that idea.

:popcorn:

PS - I wonder if some of you guys have a little alarm that goes off when a response is posted - your response time is like 12 seconds or something...

PPS - Just so you all know, I really appreciated all the notes and concern the other day. I\'m on the mend from my outside concerns, so hopefully I\'ll be at full strength soon. Again, thank you all. Also, I wanted to apologize for blowing up like that; it was pretty immature, and I apologize to all those I made feel bad, concerned, or guilty - this was mostly on me, not any of you jointly or severally.

[Edited on 24/2/2005 by JKool]