Offense hurt Defense Part 2.

GumboBC · 02-23-2005, 01:26 PM

Top 10 defenses in NFL!
1.Pittsburg - offense 19.4 first downs per game.
2. Buffalo- offense 16.9 first downs per game.
3.Washington - offense 16.8 first downs per game.
4.Denver - offense 21.9 first downs per game.
5.Tampa Bay- offense 16.9 first downs per game.
6.Baltimore - offense 16.2 first downs per game.
7.New York Jets- offense 19.6 first downs per game.
8.Miami - offense 16.7 first downs per game.
9.New England- offense 21.5 first downs per game
10.Philadelphia - offense 18.8 first downs per game.
32. New Orleans - offense 18.2 first downs per game.

Out of the TOP 10 defenses in the NFL, the Saints offense had MORE first downs than 5 teams! (Miami, Baltimore, Tampa, Washington, and Buffalo)

How can 5 of the TOP 10 defenses in the NFL have offenses with LESS first downs than us? Their offenses didn't keep them from finishing in the top 10?!

Let's carry this a bit further:

Top 10 defenses in NFL!
1.Pittsburg - offensive scoring per game - 23.2
2. Buffalo- offensive scoring per game - 24.7
3.Washington - offensive scoring per game - 15.0
4.Denver - offensive scoring per game - 23.8
5.Tampa Bay- offensive scoring per game - 18.8
6.Baltimore - offensive scoring per game - 19.8
7.New York Jets- offensive scoring per game - 20.8
8.Miami - offensive scoring per game - 17.2
9.New England- offensive scoring per game - 27.3
10.Philadelphia - offensive scoring per game - 24.1
32. New Orleans - offensive scoring per game - 21.8

Of the TOP 10 defense in the NFL, 5 teams (Miami, Jets, Balitmore, Tampa, and Washington) scored less points than our offense:

Conclusion: 5 of the top 10 defenses in the NFL had offenses that:

1. Scored less points than the the Saints offense.
2. Had fewer first downs than the Saints.

Simply put, our offense had very little effect on our 32nd ranking. And we better hope this gets fixed because our offense wasn't the problem!

[Edited on 23/2/2005 by GumboBC]

[Edited on 23/2/2005 by GumboBC]

shadowdrinker · 02-23-2005, 01:59 PM

That\'s alot of numbers....

Everyone who has a pulse knows our D is weak..and we will continue to perform at the same level...we have the same guy running the show...and it doesn\'t look like there will be any major shifts ...

Expect more of the same next year...

GumboBC · 02-23-2005, 02:11 PM

Everyone who has a pulse knows our D is weak..

You would think that! You\'d think that after watching this miserable defense for the last 4-years that folks would see it for what it is ........ TERRIBLE!!

But, they don\'t!! That\'s why I had to show the numbers I did.

GumboBC · 02-23-2005, 02:16 PM

Now you are trying to disprove \"the offense isn\'t the problem with the team\" with stats and this is something we don\'t need stats for because everyone here has followed this team close enough to have first hand knowledge that the Saints offense is 1/2 of the team problems. In fact, it\'s simple common sense.

Gator --

I\'m going to put this as simply as I can:

I NEVER said the offense wasn\'t a problem. In fact, I\'ve said several times that the offense has MANY problems.

Get this: In this particular thread, I\'m saying the offense had VERY LITTLE effect on the DEFENSE finishing 32nd!!

Quit trying to put words in my mouth. If you can show me where I said the offense isn\'t hurting this team, then show me.

I\'ve shown where the Bills, Bucs, Redskins, Ravens and Dolphins had worse offenses than us and finished in the top 10 in defense.

Care to explain how that happened?

GumboBC · 02-23-2005, 02:32 PM

I don\'t think I\'ve done anything wrong other than expose a spin doctor.

Let\'s see...

I\'ve said our defense was awful independant of our offense. Spin doctor?

Othe folks have said the offense played a large role in our 32nd ranked defense.

I backed my opinion up with FACTS!!

Spin Doctor?

I\'m still waiting on SOMEBODY to show me how the Dolphins, Bucs, Ravens, Bills, and Redskins finished in the TOP 10 defenses in the NFL with worse offenses than the Saints?!

Somebody? Andbody?

Gator? I thought not.

Who\'s the spin doctor?

[Edited on 23/2/2005 by GumboBC]

lynwood · 02-23-2005, 02:36 PM

This must be the offense is great thread.
well points win games and we didn\'t score any. .We can look at any stat to prove a point but in the end points win games and the offense wasn\'t doing it. The defense was holding the opponents to 7.3 points according to some stats posted earlier on the other thread. I just feel that what the offense did during the first half of games put our defense in a very bad spot and they still held oppenents to more field goals than touchdowns. If our offense could have produced something i thin kthe defense would have played even better as the game progressed. The defense played better the last 4 games but so did the offense by scoring more in the first half outscoring 43-26.

lynwood · 02-23-2005, 02:41 PM

Also to clarify i\'m not placing blame on any individuals just the unit as a whole including coaches. The defense wasn\'t the greatest but they aren\'t responsible for putting points on the board either. The stats are all fourth quarter padded stats for the offense trying to play catchup from their first half disater.

saintswhodi · 02-23-2005, 02:56 PM

No, this is the another poster got tired of my BS and asked me not to respond to them so I will make another useless thread to explain myself post. This way, I can totally ignore what they said and any facts provided and call them out by saying outlandish statements like \"some of us believe the offense caused all the problems for the D, even though that was never said, I have a point to prove\" Boy this is old.

lynwood · 02-23-2005, 02:58 PM

GumboBC · 02-23-2005, 07:00 PM

Gator --

You didn\'t answer my question worth anything.

I\'ve clearly showed you where the worst offense in the NFL, the Dolphins, ranked 8th in total defense.

How did the Dolphins do that?

Leave the Saints out of it.

Just answer the question!!!

If you will do that I will answer any question you have. But, iit\'s got to make some sense.

Wating Wating Waiting...

Can\'t do it can ya?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

02-23-2005, 01:26 PM	#1
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Offense hurt Defense Part 2. Top 10 defenses in NFL! 1.Pittsburg - offense 19.4 first downs per game. 2. Buffalo- offense 16.9 first downs per game. 3.Washington - offense 16.8 first downs per game. 4.Denver - offense 21.9 first downs per game. 5.Tampa Bay- offense 16.9 first downs per game. 6.Baltimore - offense 16.2 first downs per game. 7.New York Jets- offense 19.6 first downs per game. 8.Miami - offense 16.7 first downs per game. 9.New England- offense 21.5 first downs per game 10.Philadelphia - offense 18.8 first downs per game. 32. New Orleans - offense 18.2 first downs per game. Out of the TOP 10 defenses in the NFL, the Saints offense had MORE first downs than 5 teams! (Miami, Baltimore, Tampa, Washington, and Buffalo) How can 5 of the TOP 10 defenses in the NFL have offenses with LESS first downs than us? Their offenses didn't keep them from finishing in the top 10?! Let's carry this a bit further: Top 10 defenses in NFL! 1.Pittsburg - offensive scoring per game - 23.2 2. Buffalo- offensive scoring per game - 24.7 3.Washington - offensive scoring per game - 15.0 4.Denver - offensive scoring per game - 23.8 5.Tampa Bay- offensive scoring per game - 18.8 6.Baltimore - offensive scoring per game - 19.8 7.New York Jets- offensive scoring per game - 20.8 8.Miami - offensive scoring per game - 17.2 9.New England- offensive scoring per game - 27.3 10.Philadelphia - offensive scoring per game - 24.1 32. New Orleans - offensive scoring per game - 21.8 Of the TOP 10 defense in the NFL, 5 teams (Miami, Jets, Balitmore, Tampa, and Washington) scored less points than our offense: Conclusion: 5 of the top 10 defenses in the NFL had offenses that: 1. Scored less points than the the Saints offense. 2. Had fewer first downs than the Saints. Simply put, our offense had very little effect on our 32nd ranking. And we better hope this gets fixed because our offense wasn't the problem! [Edited on 23/2/2005 by GumboBC] [Edited on 23/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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02-23-2005, 01:59 PM	#2
shadowdrinker Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 517	Offense hurt Defense Part 2. That\'s alot of numbers.... Everyone who has a pulse knows our D is weak..and we will continue to perform at the same level...we have the same guy running the show...and it doesn\'t look like there will be any major shifts ... Expect more of the same next year...
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02-23-2005, 02:11 PM	#3
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Offense hurt Defense Part 2. Everyone who has a pulse knows our D is weak.. You would think that! You\'d think that after watching this miserable defense for the last 4-years that folks would see it for what it is ........ TERRIBLE!! But, they don\'t!! That\'s why I had to show the numbers I did.
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02-23-2005, 02:16 PM	#4
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Offense hurt Defense Part 2. Now you are trying to disprove \"the offense isn\'t the problem with the team\" with stats and this is something we don\'t need stats for because everyone here has followed this team close enough to have first hand knowledge that the Saints offense is 1/2 of the team problems. In fact, it\'s simple common sense. Gator -- I\'m going to put this as simply as I can: I NEVER said the offense wasn\'t a problem. In fact, I\'ve said several times that the offense has MANY problems. Get this: In this particular thread, I\'m saying the offense had VERY LITTLE effect on the DEFENSE finishing 32nd!! Quit trying to put words in my mouth. If you can show me where I said the offense isn\'t hurting this team, then show me. I\'ve shown where the Bills, Bucs, Redskins, Ravens and Dolphins had worse offenses than us and finished in the top 10 in defense. Care to explain how that happened?
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02-23-2005, 02:32 PM	#5
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Offense hurt Defense Part 2. I don\'t think I\'ve done anything wrong other than expose a spin doctor. Let\'s see... I\'ve said our defense was awful independant of our offense. Spin doctor? Othe folks have said the offense played a large role in our 32nd ranked defense. I backed my opinion up with FACTS!! Spin Doctor? I\'m still waiting on SOMEBODY to show me how the Dolphins, Bucs, Ravens, Bills, and Redskins finished in the TOP 10 defenses in the NFL with worse offenses than the Saints?! Somebody? Andbody? Gator? I thought not. Who\'s the spin doctor? [Edited on 23/2/2005 by GumboBC]
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02-23-2005, 02:36 PM	#6
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Offense hurt Defense Part 2. This must be the offense is great thread. well points win games and we didn\'t score any. .We can look at any stat to prove a point but in the end points win games and the offense wasn\'t doing it. The defense was holding the opponents to 7.3 points according to some stats posted earlier on the other thread. I just feel that what the offense did during the first half of games put our defense in a very bad spot and they still held oppenents to more field goals than touchdowns. If our offense could have produced something i thin kthe defense would have played even better as the game progressed. The defense played better the last 4 games but so did the offense by scoring more in the first half outscoring 43-26.

02-23-2005, 02:41 PM	#7
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Offense hurt Defense Part 2. Also to clarify i\'m not placing blame on any individuals just the unit as a whole including coaches. The defense wasn\'t the greatest but they aren\'t responsible for putting points on the board either. The stats are all fourth quarter padded stats for the offense trying to play catchup from their first half disater.

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02-23-2005, 07:00 PM	#10
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Offense hurt Defense Part 2. Gator -- You didn\'t answer my question worth anything. I\'ve clearly showed you where the worst offense in the NFL, the Dolphins, ranked 8th in total defense. How did the Dolphins do that? Leave the Saints out of it. Just answer the question!!! If you will do that I will answer any question you have. But, iit\'s got to make some sense. Wating Wating Waiting... Can\'t do it can ya?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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