Saints final grades and team snap counts

jeanpierre · 01-05-2016, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Ahh ... and on defense there was Cam, Breaux and everyone else.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the 2nd time in 5 years the defense was the worst in league history or near the worst . I know some may want Treadwell as the potential #1 pick but I sure hope this is not the case. The defense for 2016 needs serious attention, rather than trying to compensate with more points and offense.

K, you seriously think on key 3rd and long plays we could trust Coleman's hands?!?

I like the kid, but he's a no. 4 for us...

We've got to have that "x" receiver who can run good routes, post out the defender and make the tough catches as Colston had done in previous seasons; that'll keep us on the right side of time of possession and keep the defense, RESTED, on the sidelines...

This is a deep draft for defensive linemen and they'll be some linebackers throughout as well; assuming of course we know what scheme will front on defense...

Treadwell is the goods and if he fell to us, we should grab him...

I wince making this comparison, but he's a Dez Bryant with maybe a little less vertical speed (i.e. Michael Irvin, Eric Martin)...

On offense we're just that receiver and a guard away from becoming that offense that can do it all game long, closing games out instead of being a yards league leader monster with a record hovering around .500...

jjasso007 · 01-07-2016, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

K, you seriously think on key 3rd and long plays we could trust Coleman's hands?!?

I like the kid, but he's a no. 4 for us...

We've got to have that "x" receiver who can run good routes, post out the defender and make the tough catches as Colston had done in previous seasons; that'll keep us on the right side of time of possession and keep the defense, RESTED, on the sidelines...

This is a deep draft for defensive linemen and they'll be some linebackers throughout as well; assuming of course we know what scheme will front on defense...

Treadwell is the goods and if he fell to us, we should grab him...

I wince making this comparison, but he's a Dez Bryant with maybe a little less vertical speed (i.e. Michael Irvin, Eric Martin)...

On offense we're just that receiver and a guard away from becoming that offense that can do it all game long, closing games out instead of being a yards league leader monster with a record hovering around .500...

For me, I don't think we need a 1st round WR. I look at our offense, and we are consistently in the top 5 in offense, and usually top 3 in passing yards. Brees can make the people around him good given time in the pocket. I look at last years 1st round WR picks, and only Cooper really had a standout season. Kevin White was injured, Davante Parker didn't do much in Miami until the back half of the season, Nelson Agholor was ok, Breshad Perrimen was hurt, Phillip Dorsett didn't do much... I think we can wait until a later round and get a solid receiver. With a defense that was the worst, or towards the worst in the NFL hree of the last four seasons, we need to work on stopping opposing offenses from scoring. Plus adding a new OG to protect Brees in the middle.

blackangold · 01-07-2016, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

K, you seriously think on key 3rd and long plays we could trust Coleman's hands?!?

I like the kid, but he's a no. 4 for us...

We've got to have that "x" receiver who can run good routes, post out the defender and make the tough catches as Colston had done in previous seasons; that'll keep us on the right side of time of possession and keep the defense, RESTED, on the sidelines...

This is a deep draft for defensive linemen and they'll be some linebackers throughout as well; assuming of course we know what scheme will front on defense...

Treadwell is the goods and if he fell to us, we should grab him...

I wince making this comparison, but he's a Dez Bryant with maybe a little less vertical speed (i.e. Michael Irvin, Eric Martin)...

On offense we're just that receiver and a guard away from becoming that offense that can do it all game long, closing games out instead of being a yards league leader monster with a record hovering around .500...

Coleman is going to be a stud next year.

halloween 65 · 01-07-2016, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Coleman is going to be a stud next year.

I think he can to. I like the TE from Arkansas. I still take a OG in the 1st then concentrate on a DE, I like a DE to be 305 to 315 lbs.

Danno · 01-07-2016, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Coleman is going to be a stud next year.

Not aggressive enough for a guy his size. I don't think we'll see a jump to stud. I think he jumps to slightly above average, which is still great for a 4th WR.

blackangold · 01-07-2016, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Not aggressive enough for a guy his size. I don't think we'll see a jump to stud. I think he jumps to slightly above average, which is still great for a 4th WR.

Not aggressive enough?

Interesting. I wouldn't have made that observation from watching his college career, or any of his playing time in the pros.

Danno · 01-07-2016, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Not aggressive enough?

Interesting. I wouldn't have made that observation from watching his college career, or any of his playing time in the pros.

I've seen numerous plays where he just didn't fight for the ball like a guy his size should. I know I can't be the only one that noticed that. I think several posters have made the same comment about him.

jeanpierre · 01-09-2016, 04:03 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Coleman is going to be a stud next year.

You trust those stonehands? Treadwell is already better and hasn't played an NFL down...

Coleman has worked his butt off and deserves a roster spot, but don't see him as our "x" receiver...

01-05-2016, 09:59 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by K Major Ahh ... and on defense there was Cam, Breaux and everyone else. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the 2nd time in 5 years the defense was the worst in league history or near the worst . I know some may want Treadwell as the potential #1 pick but I sure hope this is not the case. The defense for 2016 needs serious attention, rather than trying to compensate with more points and offense. K, you seriously think on key 3rd and long plays we could trust Coleman's hands?!? I like the kid, but he's a no. 4 for us... We've got to have that "x" receiver who can run good routes, post out the defender and make the tough catches as Colston had done in previous seasons; that'll keep us on the right side of time of possession and keep the defense, RESTED, on the sidelines... This is a deep draft for defensive linemen and they'll be some linebackers throughout as well; assuming of course we know what scheme will front on defense... Treadwell is the goods and if he fell to us, we should grab him... I wince making this comparison, but he's a Dez Bryant with maybe a little less vertical speed (i.e. Michael Irvin, Eric Martin)... On offense we're just that receiver and a guard away from becoming that offense that can do it all game long, closing games out instead of being a yards league leader monster with a record hovering around .500...
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01-07-2016, 03:38 PM	#2
jjasso007 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 187	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by jeanpierre K, you seriously think on key 3rd and long plays we could trust Coleman's hands?!? I like the kid, but he's a no. 4 for us... We've got to have that "x" receiver who can run good routes, post out the defender and make the tough catches as Colston had done in previous seasons; that'll keep us on the right side of time of possession and keep the defense, RESTED, on the sidelines... This is a deep draft for defensive linemen and they'll be some linebackers throughout as well; assuming of course we know what scheme will front on defense... Treadwell is the goods and if he fell to us, we should grab him... I wince making this comparison, but he's a Dez Bryant with maybe a little less vertical speed (i.e. Michael Irvin, Eric Martin)... On offense we're just that receiver and a guard away from becoming that offense that can do it all game long, closing games out instead of being a yards league leader monster with a record hovering around .500... For me, I don't think we need a 1st round WR. I look at our offense, and we are consistently in the top 5 in offense, and usually top 3 in passing yards. Brees can make the people around him good given time in the pocket. I look at last years 1st round WR picks, and only Cooper really had a standout season. Kevin White was injured, Davante Parker didn't do much in Miami until the back half of the season, Nelson Agholor was ok, Breshad Perrimen was hurt, Phillip Dorsett didn't do much... I think we can wait until a later round and get a solid receiver. With a defense that was the worst, or towards the worst in the NFL hree of the last four seasons, we need to work on stopping opposing offenses from scoring. Plus adding a new OG to protect Brees in the middle. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-07-2016, 04:19 PM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by jeanpierre K, you seriously think on key 3rd and long plays we could trust Coleman's hands?!? I like the kid, but he's a no. 4 for us... We've got to have that "x" receiver who can run good routes, post out the defender and make the tough catches as Colston had done in previous seasons; that'll keep us on the right side of time of possession and keep the defense, RESTED, on the sidelines... This is a deep draft for defensive linemen and they'll be some linebackers throughout as well; assuming of course we know what scheme will front on defense... Treadwell is the goods and if he fell to us, we should grab him... I wince making this comparison, but he's a Dez Bryant with maybe a little less vertical speed (i.e. Michael Irvin, Eric Martin)... On offense we're just that receiver and a guard away from becoming that offense that can do it all game long, closing games out instead of being a yards league leader monster with a record hovering around .500... Coleman is going to be a stud next year. halloween 65 likes this.

01-07-2016, 05:25 PM	#4
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by blackangold Coleman is going to be a stud next year. I think he can to. I like the TE from Arkansas. I still take a OG in the 1st then concentrate on a DE, I like a DE to be 305 to 315 lbs. hagan714 likes this.

01-07-2016, 06:10 PM	#5
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by blackangold Coleman is going to be a stud next year. Not aggressive enough for a guy his size. I don't think we'll see a jump to stud. I think he jumps to slightly above average, which is still great for a 4th WR.

01-07-2016, 06:20 PM	#6
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by Danno Not aggressive enough for a guy his size. I don't think we'll see a jump to stud. I think he jumps to slightly above average, which is still great for a 4th WR. Not aggressive enough? Interesting. I wouldn't have made that observation from watching his college career, or any of his playing time in the pros.

01-07-2016, 06:30 PM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by blackangold Not aggressive enough? Interesting. I wouldn't have made that observation from watching his college career, or any of his playing time in the pros. I've seen numerous plays where he just didn't fight for the ball like a guy his size should. I know I can't be the only one that noticed that. I think several posters have made the same comment about him. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-09-2016, 04:03 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Saints final grades and team snap counts Originally Posted by blackangold Coleman is going to be a stud next year. You trust those stonehands? Treadwell is already better and hasn't played an NFL down... Coleman has worked his butt off and deserves a roster spot, but don't see him as our "x" receiver...