Sean Stays

01-07-2016, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Serious question here. Why would you have ever wanted the best coach ever in the 58 year history of the Saints gone? Seriously. What was your reasoning? Or were you just buying into the hype and not making your own informed decision. It is clear that when you truly thought about it you came to the right conclusion, but why did you ever think that in the first place?

Honestly wanting an answer to that question.

I know your question is not directed at me, but I have to say that this "greatest coach in Saints history" is overplayed. When he won the Superbowl that's all it took to earn that distinction. We're talking about the Saints here.

If he doesn't win that Superbowl, then Jim Mora would still be the greatest in our history, because he won more consistently, and he was the FIRST to win here.

It still comes down to what have you done for me lately, even if that doesn't seem fair. I didn't want him fired this year, but I have been on record as saying that this organization needs to start moving back in the right direction soon, or it will be time for a change. Some coaches become stale in one place. Call it complacency, or maybe it's something about the environment they're in, that they get tired of. And some guys just get too old, but that one doesn't apply to Sean, obviously.

So you don't just hold onto a guy forever because of one great season and a couple of good one's. He's earned the right for more time. But after another season or two, if this thing is still moving backwards, then you have to accept reality. You can't be afraid of the past returning. If we keep losing, we'll have already returned.

burningmetal · 01-07-2016, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

See how quiet the 'insiders' have got. Not one peep or piece now they've been proven liars and frauds

I'm starting to feel like a broken record when it comes to this subject. But I keep wondering why people are saying this. Don't get me wrong, I know the media likes to troll a lot. But who ever said that Sean was leaving? There was talk about possibilities of leaving but no one said he was absolutely gone.

How are we going to know what was really going on? We know that he isn't leaving, but what else? I'm just particularly confused over the outrage with this situation, because I never saw any report saying he was definitely leaving. So how were we lied to? To me, all this scuttlebutt is normal for a coach like Payton after a couple bad seasons. There's going to be talk. If it were Mike Smith, no one would care because he's not a hot name.

neugey · 01-07-2016, 07:13 AM

I think Sean proved most of us wrong by playing Brees the last two games and getting two W's without getting Brees hurt. He finished well so you've got to give him credit and he seemed to have that light back in his eyes at the end of the press conference.

I know I was singing a different tune in the middle of the season and after the Redskins loss, but I think we may have made a good choice here; hopefully some of the rough patches are behind us.

burningmetal · 01-07-2016, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I don't believe the "weather" had anything to do with it.

But, you are crazy if you think he shopped himself around. No, not crazy. Stupid is more like it. It makes absolutely no sense. He couldn't go anywhere and have more power, more pay, more access to his kids and more affection from the fan base and ownership than New Orleans. What the heck would he have to gain? Nothing.

You said it yourself. You wanted him gone. Why? Sean Payton is far and away the best coach in Saints history and truly the only one that has ever really wanted to be here. You have no clue about what you are writing about.

No one will likely ever know if he shopped himself or not, and that includes you. To call someone stupid for thinking Sean might have is a jerk move, and then your reasoning was even worse.

You think it would make no sense? In reading your posts, one might think he's a god to you. So if he's all that, why do you think he couldn't do better? Obviously he wanted to stay here, regardless of whether or not he explored other options, he ultimately decided to stay. But if he had wanted to go, why couldn't he get more? There are some hungry organizations out there, and if they think as highly of him as you do, then why wouldn't they do whatever they could to reel him in, if he wanted out?

Chip freaking Kelly had more power than Sean. He just doesn't know how to handle grown men. Why couldn't Sean get more power?

It's all a moot point now, because he stayed. But don't take that to mean he's married to us. You don't know what goes into his decision making more than anyone else, so please spare the insinuation that you do.

SaintsBro · 01-07-2016, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

There was talk about possibilities of leaving but no one said he was absolutely gone.

Not trying to be a jerk, or start a big argument, but actually -- Fletcher Mackel of WDSU did predict Payton was going to be gone, on more than one occasion. He almost seemed to revel in it, like he couldn't wait for the sky to fall and bad news to happen to the team. He also proclaimed it was "the end of an era of Saints football" and predicted the end of Drew's career, when Brees missed one game. These are quotes from him, I'm not making this up.

44Champs · 01-07-2016, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I think Sean proved most of us wrong by playing Brees the last two games and getting two W's without getting Brees hurt. He finished well so you've got to give him credit and he seemed to have that light back in his eyes at the end of the press conference.

I know I was singing a different tune in the middle of the season and after the Redskins loss, but I think we may have made a good choice here; hopefully some of the rough patches are behind us.

This is whst I like about SP. He plays to win EVERY game. Winning breeds winning, and this is something that Payton understands.

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lumm0x · 01-07-2016, 08:51 AM

Take away the Super Bowl and Payton is still the best coach this team has ever had. Mora couldn't even win a playoff game let alone get us in more than 1. Payton has as many wins in less games.

Budsdrinker · 01-07-2016, 08:52 AM

First of all, I doubt Payton wanted to leave and second I don't think the Saints even entertained the thought of letting him leave. Here are the NFL rules in plain English on coaches. While under contract there can't be any contact with another team. http://prostarcoaching.net/library/N...tact_Rules.pdf
This was all for splash from half ass so called reporters.

burningmetal · 01-07-2016, 09:43 AM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

Not trying to be a jerk, or start a big argument, but actually -- Fletcher Mackel of WDSU did predict Payton was going to be gone, on more than one occasion. He almost seemed to revel in it, like he couldn't wait for the sky to fall and bad news to happen to the team. He also proclaimed it was "the end of an era of Saints football" and predicted the end of Drew's career, when Brees missed one game. These are quotes from him, I'm not making this up.

I don't doubt what you're saying about Fletcher Mackel, and actually I think I remember that. But there again, you said "predicted". That's what I'm talking about. There are trolls who want to make statements, with nothing to go on, but they are just giving their opinion. They aren't lying. They're just wrong.

And then there are reports that actually claim there are negotiations going on. But no one is saying it's a done deal. That's why I'm not all worked up about it. It's just an overreaction by the media, but not anything I deem as malicious.

westbankdaze · 01-07-2016, 09:58 AM

Terrible news. They should have cut Payton loose. I'm no NFL head coach but when I see the players line up in formation it's so obvious what the saints are gonna do. Payton's play calling caught the world by surprise in 2009 but now he is so transparent. If Brees would give back his money so we can really buy some decent players we would be in good shape. I would take coughlin in Nola easily.

01-07-2016, 06:48 AM	#61
Threaded by burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Serious question here. Why would you have ever wanted the best coach ever in the 58 year history of the Saints gone? Seriously. What was your reasoning? Or were you just buying into the hype and not making your own informed decision. It is clear that when you truly thought about it you came to the right conclusion, but why did you ever think that in the first place? Honestly wanting an answer to that question. I know your question is not directed at me, but I have to say that this "greatest coach in Saints history" is overplayed. When he won the Superbowl that's all it took to earn that distinction. We're talking about the Saints here. If he doesn't win that Superbowl, then Jim Mora would still be the greatest in our history, because he won more consistently, and he was the FIRST to win here. It still comes down to what have you done for me lately, even if that doesn't seem fair. I didn't want him fired this year, but I have been on record as saying that this organization needs to start moving back in the right direction soon, or it will be time for a change. Some coaches become stale in one place. Call it complacency, or maybe it's something about the environment they're in, that they get tired of. And some guys just get too old, but that one doesn't apply to Sean, obviously. So you don't just hold onto a guy forever because of one great season and a couple of good one's. He's earned the right for more time. But after another season or two, if this thing is still moving backwards, then you have to accept reality. You can't be afraid of the past returning. If we keep losing, we'll have already returned.
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01-07-2016, 07:01 AM	#62
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by lee909 See how quiet the 'insiders' have got. Not one peep or piece now they've been proven liars and frauds I'm starting to feel like a broken record when it comes to this subject. But I keep wondering why people are saying this. Don't get me wrong, I know the media likes to troll a lot. But who ever said that Sean was leaving? There was talk about possibilities of leaving but no one said he was absolutely gone. How are we going to know what was really going on? We know that he isn't leaving, but what else? I'm just particularly confused over the outrage with this situation, because I never saw any report saying he was definitely leaving. So how were we lied to? To me, all this scuttlebutt is normal for a coach like Payton after a couple bad seasons. There's going to be talk. If it were Mike Smith, no one would care because he's not a hot name.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-07-2016, 07:13 AM	#63
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,673 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Sean Stays I think Sean proved most of us wrong by playing Brees the last two games and getting two W's without getting Brees hurt. He finished well so you've got to give him credit and he seemed to have that light back in his eyes at the end of the press conference. I know I was singing a different tune in the middle of the season and after the Redskins loss, but I think we may have made a good choice here; hopefully some of the rough patches are behind us. 44Champs and Saint in Aus like this.

01-07-2016, 07:20 AM	#64
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I don't believe the "weather" had anything to do with it. But, you are crazy if you think he shopped himself around. No, not crazy. Stupid is more like it. It makes absolutely no sense. He couldn't go anywhere and have more power, more pay, more access to his kids and more affection from the fan base and ownership than New Orleans. What the heck would he have to gain? Nothing. You said it yourself. You wanted him gone. Why? Sean Payton is far and away the best coach in Saints history and truly the only one that has ever really wanted to be here. You have no clue about what you are writing about. No one will likely ever know if he shopped himself or not, and that includes you. To call someone stupid for thinking Sean might have is a jerk move, and then your reasoning was even worse. You think it would make no sense? In reading your posts, one might think he's a god to you. So if he's all that, why do you think he couldn't do better? Obviously he wanted to stay here, regardless of whether or not he explored other options, he ultimately decided to stay. But if he had wanted to go, why couldn't he get more? There are some hungry organizations out there, and if they think as highly of him as you do, then why wouldn't they do whatever they could to reel him in, if he wanted out? Chip freaking Kelly had more power than Sean. He just doesn't know how to handle grown men. Why couldn't Sean get more power? It's all a moot point now, because he stayed. But don't take that to mean he's married to us. You don't know what goes into his decision making more than anyone else, so please spare the insinuation that you do.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-07-2016, 08:14 AM	#65
SaintsBro Site Donor Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: in line with my ridiculous CLEAR PLASTIC BAG Posts: 3,650 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by burningmetal There was talk about possibilities of leaving but no one said he was absolutely gone. Not trying to be a jerk, or start a big argument, but actually -- Fletcher Mackel of WDSU did predict Payton was going to be gone, on more than one occasion. He almost seemed to revel in it, like he couldn't wait for the sky to fall and bad news to happen to the team. He also proclaimed it was "the end of an era of Saints football" and predicted the end of Drew's career, when Brees missed one game. These are quotes from him, I'm not making this up.

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01-07-2016, 08:29 AM	#66
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by neugey I think Sean proved most of us wrong by playing Brees the last two games and getting two W's without getting Brees hurt. He finished well so you've got to give him credit and he seemed to have that light back in his eyes at the end of the press conference. I know I was singing a different tune in the middle of the season and after the Redskins loss, but I think we may have made a good choice here; hopefully some of the rough patches are behind us. This is whst I like about SP. He plays to win EVERY game. Winning breeds winning, and this is something that Payton understands. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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01-07-2016, 08:51 AM	#67
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Sean Stays Take away the Super Bowl and Payton is still the best coach this team has ever had. Mora couldn't even win a playoff game let alone get us in more than 1. Payton has as many wins in less games. AsylumGuido, darksoul35 and captainshawn like this.

01-07-2016, 08:52 AM	#68
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Sean Stays First of all, I doubt Payton wanted to leave and second I don't think the Saints even entertained the thought of letting him leave. Here are the NFL rules in plain English on coaches. While under contract there can't be any contact with another team. http://prostarcoaching.net/library/N...tact_Rules.pdf This was all for splash from half ass so called reporters. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

01-07-2016, 09:43 AM	#69
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by SaintsBro Not trying to be a jerk, or start a big argument, but actually -- Fletcher Mackel of WDSU did predict Payton was going to be gone, on more than one occasion. He almost seemed to revel in it, like he couldn't wait for the sky to fall and bad news to happen to the team. He also proclaimed it was "the end of an era of Saints football" and predicted the end of Drew's career, when Brees missed one game. These are quotes from him, I'm not making this up. I don't doubt what you're saying about Fletcher Mackel, and actually I think I remember that. But there again, you said "predicted". That's what I'm talking about. There are trolls who want to make statements, with nothing to go on, but they are just giving their opinion. They aren't lying. They're just wrong. And then there are reports that actually claim there are negotiations going on. But no one is saying it's a done deal. That's why I'm not all worked up about it. It's just an overreaction by the media, but not anything I deem as malicious.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-07-2016, 09:58 AM	#70
westbankdaze 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 843	Re: Sean Stays Terrible news. They should have cut Payton loose. I'm no NFL head coach but when I see the players line up in formation it's so obvious what the saints are gonna do. Payton's play calling caught the world by surprise in 2009 but now he is so transparent. If Brees would give back his money so we can really buy some decent players we would be in good shape. I would take coughlin in Nola easily.
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