Sean Stays

44Champs · 01-07-2016, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I think Sean proved most of us wrong by playing Brees the last two games and getting two W's without getting Brees hurt. He finished well so you've got to give him credit and he seemed to have that light back in his eyes at the end of the press conference.

I know I was singing a different tune in the middle of the season and after the Redskins loss, but I think we may have made a good choice here; hopefully some of the rough patches are behind us.

This is whst I like about SP. He plays to win EVERY game. Winning breeds winning, and this is something that Payton understands.

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lumm0x · 01-07-2016, 08:51 AM

Take away the Super Bowl and Payton is still the best coach this team has ever had. Mora couldn't even win a playoff game let alone get us in more than 1. Payton has as many wins in less games.

burningmetal · 01-07-2016, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

Take away the Super Bowl and Payton is still the best coach this team has ever had. Mora couldn't even win a playoff game let alone get us in more than 1. Payton has as many wins in less games.

I know he didn't win a playoff game. But use a little perspective. Free agency, as it exists today, did not come about until 1992. That meant it was extremely difficult for the Saints to sign the top players. What would Sean's resume look like without Drew? We'll never know.

I don't even like Jim Mora, because of how he left, but the bottom line is that he took what was maybe the worst franchise in sports and made it into a team that was consistently winning or in the hunt.

From '87 to '93 he went 12-3, 10-6, 9-7, 8-8, 11-5, 12-4, and 8-8 before going 7-9 the next two years and quitting in the middle of '96.

That's extremely consistent for a team that grew in the shadow of all the old dynasties that used to rule the NFL. Those teams all had hall of fame QB's, like Sean does. Jim had nothing close to that.

AsylumGuido · 01-07-2016, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

Take away the Super Bowl and Payton is still the best coach this team has ever had. Mora couldn't even win a playoff game let alone get us in more than 1. Payton has as many wins in less games.

Thanks. You saved me the trouble of making the same response.

Budsdrinker · 01-07-2016, 08:52 AM

First of all, I doubt Payton wanted to leave and second I don't think the Saints even entertained the thought of letting him leave. Here are the NFL rules in plain English on coaches. While under contract there can't be any contact with another team. http://prostarcoaching.net/library/N...tact_Rules.pdf
This was all for splash from half ass so called reporters.

westbankdaze · 01-07-2016, 09:58 AM

Terrible news. They should have cut Payton loose. I'm no NFL head coach but when I see the players line up in formation it's so obvious what the saints are gonna do. Payton's play calling caught the world by surprise in 2009 but now he is so transparent. If Brees would give back his money so we can really buy some decent players we would be in good shape. I would take coughlin in Nola easily.

darksoul35 · 01-15-2016, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by westbankdaze

Terrible news. They should have cut Payton loose. I'm no NFL head coach but when I see the players line up in formation it's so obvious what the saints are gonna do. Payton's play calling caught the world by surprise in 2009 but now he is so transparent. If Brees would give back his money so we can really buy some decent players we would be in good shape. I would take coughlin in Nola easily.

I respectfully have to disagree. We beat the Giants and they didn't have half the injuries we did. They didn't make the playoffs either. Much respect for Coughlin but I wouldn't take another coach in the world over Payton.

lumm0x · 01-07-2016, 10:07 AM

I don't disagree that Mora pulled us out of the dark ages and that it was a different time. But so did Payton from the Ditka/Haslett era. We were a team with no home poised to become a 2-14 laughing stock again with the wrong coach. Sure he hit it lucky on Drew but he also developed one of the best and most consistent offenses in the past 10 years.

It's apples to oranges but I will always argue anyone who claims Payton is an overrated coach. At the absolutely worst it's a tie between the 2.

burningmetal · 01-08-2016, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

I don't disagree that Mora pulled us out of the dark ages and that it was a different time. But so did Payton from the Ditka/Haslett era. We were a team with no home poised to become a 2-14 laughing stock again with the wrong coach. Sure he hit it lucky on Drew but he also developed one of the best and most consistent offenses in the past 10 years.

It's apples to oranges but I will always argue anyone who claims Payton is an overrated coach. At the absolutely worst it's a tie between the 2.

Well let me be clear that I'm not calling Payton overrated. I do think he's the best coach in our history, but I don't hold him in as high esteem as others. I believe that sometimes things change and sour, for whatever reason, and the team fails because of it. In that event, I think you have to move on and let go of prior accomplishments.

That's my argument. But my opinion has held steady that Payton should have stayed for at least another year to see what he can do with these young players. It was good to see him show some life at the end of the season. I don't know where that fire has been, but I hope it stays lit, because he's an elite coach when he's into it. I didn't get the sense over the past couple of seasons that he was the same guy.

vpheughan · 01-18-2016, 07:04 PM

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01-07-2016, 08:29 AM	#1
44Champs Site Donor Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,589	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by neugey I think Sean proved most of us wrong by playing Brees the last two games and getting two W's without getting Brees hurt. He finished well so you've got to give him credit and he seemed to have that light back in his eyes at the end of the press conference. I know I was singing a different tune in the middle of the season and after the Redskins loss, but I think we may have made a good choice here; hopefully some of the rough patches are behind us. This is whst I like about SP. He plays to win EVERY game. Winning breeds winning, and this is something that Payton understands. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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01-07-2016, 08:51 AM	#2
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Sean Stays Take away the Super Bowl and Payton is still the best coach this team has ever had. Mora couldn't even win a playoff game let alone get us in more than 1. Payton has as many wins in less games. AsylumGuido, darksoul35 and captainshawn like this.

01-07-2016, 09:58 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by lumm0x Take away the Super Bowl and Payton is still the best coach this team has ever had. Mora couldn't even win a playoff game let alone get us in more than 1. Payton has as many wins in less games. I know he didn't win a playoff game. But use a little perspective. Free agency, as it exists today, did not come about until 1992. That meant it was extremely difficult for the Saints to sign the top players. What would Sean's resume look like without Drew? We'll never know. I don't even like Jim Mora, because of how he left, but the bottom line is that he took what was maybe the worst franchise in sports and made it into a team that was consistently winning or in the hunt. From '87 to '93 he went 12-3, 10-6, 9-7, 8-8, 11-5, 12-4, and 8-8 before going 7-9 the next two years and quitting in the middle of '96. That's extremely consistent for a team that grew in the shadow of all the old dynasties that used to rule the NFL. Those teams all had hall of fame QB's, like Sean does. Jim had nothing close to that.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-07-2016, 05:07 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by lumm0x Take away the Super Bowl and Payton is still the best coach this team has ever had. Mora couldn't even win a playoff game let alone get us in more than 1. Payton has as many wins in less games. Thanks. You saved me the trouble of making the same response.

01-07-2016, 08:52 AM	#5
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Sean Stays First of all, I doubt Payton wanted to leave and second I don't think the Saints even entertained the thought of letting him leave. Here are the NFL rules in plain English on coaches. While under contract there can't be any contact with another team. http://prostarcoaching.net/library/N...tact_Rules.pdf This was all for splash from half ass so called reporters. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

01-07-2016, 09:58 AM	#6
westbankdaze 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 843	Re: Sean Stays Terrible news. They should have cut Payton loose. I'm no NFL head coach but when I see the players line up in formation it's so obvious what the saints are gonna do. Payton's play calling caught the world by surprise in 2009 but now he is so transparent. If Brees would give back his money so we can really buy some decent players we would be in good shape. I would take coughlin in Nola easily.
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01-15-2016, 07:15 PM	#7
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,045	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by westbankdaze Terrible news. They should have cut Payton loose. I'm no NFL head coach but when I see the players line up in formation it's so obvious what the saints are gonna do. Payton's play calling caught the world by surprise in 2009 but now he is so transparent. If Brees would give back his money so we can really buy some decent players we would be in good shape. I would take coughlin in Nola easily. I respectfully have to disagree. We beat the Giants and they didn't have half the injuries we did. They didn't make the playoffs either. Much respect for Coughlin but I wouldn't take another coach in the world over Payton. captainshawn likes this.
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01-07-2016, 10:07 AM	#8
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: Sean Stays I don't disagree that Mora pulled us out of the dark ages and that it was a different time. But so did Payton from the Ditka/Haslett era. We were a team with no home poised to become a 2-14 laughing stock again with the wrong coach. Sure he hit it lucky on Drew but he also developed one of the best and most consistent offenses in the past 10 years. It's apples to oranges but I will always argue anyone who claims Payton is an overrated coach. At the absolutely worst it's a tie between the 2.

01-08-2016, 08:50 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Stays Originally Posted by lumm0x I don't disagree that Mora pulled us out of the dark ages and that it was a different time. But so did Payton from the Ditka/Haslett era. We were a team with no home poised to become a 2-14 laughing stock again with the wrong coach. Sure he hit it lucky on Drew but he also developed one of the best and most consistent offenses in the past 10 years. It's apples to oranges but I will always argue anyone who claims Payton is an overrated coach. At the absolutely worst it's a tie between the 2. Well let me be clear that I'm not calling Payton overrated. I do think he's the best coach in our history, but I don't hold him in as high esteem as others. I believe that sometimes things change and sour, for whatever reason, and the team fails because of it. In that event, I think you have to move on and let go of prior accomplishments. That's my argument. But my opinion has held steady that Payton should have stayed for at least another year to see what he can do with these young players. It was good to see him show some life at the end of the season. I don't know where that fire has been, but I hope it stays lit, because he's an elite coach when he's into it. I didn't get the sense over the past couple of seasons that he was the same guy.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-18-2016, 07:04 PM	#10
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,555	Re: Sean Stays It's worse when they ########### and %%%%%&&&!
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