2016 Saints Free Agency

blackangold · 01-09-2016, 07:48 PM

I agree with Wilkerson being a great addition. He would be outstanding as a DT next to Jordan but he might draw a large contract.

blackangold · 01-09-2016, 07:51 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

What I find amusing is that you, and others, of course, may actually be serious about that declaration. Anyone who goes through this exercise is simply going through a meaningless, yet entertaining, I suppose, 'what if' that impresses no one but yourself and others that play the same game.

To a degree I understand the compassion. It is much like fantasy football of which I am a huge fan. But, I don't see how you measure success as in fantasy football.

The draft to me is totally a wait and see proposition. None of us, and I mean NONE of us, have anywhere near enough insight to make any sort of intelligent projection.

If any of you actually had more ability of making these decisions you should immediately quit your jobs and become front office personnel.

Just giving a little dig at y'all, but I'll just sit back and see what those that REALLY know what they are doing do what they are paid to do.

Carry on and fun with your version of fantasy.

This post adds zero value to the board... Glad I wasted my time reading another one of these outstanding contributions to the forum...

K Major · 01-09-2016, 07:52 PM

JP -

Give me your thoughts on my list of "lesser name FA's" ...

Damon Harrison, NT
Nick Fairley
Brandon Brooks
Robert Ayers
And one of my favorites .. BRIAN QUICK - WR (Rams)

Hopefully this will be a low key FA period. Building your team through the draft is still the best hope for improvement long term.

blackangold · 01-09-2016, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

JP -

Give me your thoughts on my list of "lesser name FA's" ...

Damon Harrison, NT
Nick Fairley
Brandon Brooks
Robert Ayers
And one of my favorites .. BRIAN QUICK - WR (Rams)

Hopefully this will be a low key FA period. Building your team through the draft is still the best hope for improvement long term.

I like Ayers, but Allen plays a 43 so hopefully he can catch on as OLB.

I hope we don't make any big splashes this year. They haven't worked out. Last years draft was good and we finally went after positions of need. In years past Payton has gone after BPA and that was an awful strategy.

K Major · 01-09-2016, 08:00 PM

BG,

But isn't Kikaha a 3-4 type player? Out of position in DA system (assuming he is the DC in 2016), no?

jeanpierre · 01-09-2016, 08:01 PM

Harrison, I believe was a Restricted Free Agent last season; I really like him; Hagan and I went back and forth in our mancrush for him last season; problem you've got is you can't commit that much money to him when there's not that much too commit, especially when you've got this scheme contradiction between personnel and where Allen is putting his pieces on the board...

Fairley is a great physical talent for sure, but there's just waaay too much baggage there for the Saints to touch...

Brooks recently missed a game because of some GI issues; this is not something new for him; having personal history, I can say this could be something serious and I wouldn't want to commit that much money to a guard with those question marks...

Ayers has been a fine player, but he's 30+ and we've got as good and younger already on the team...

Crusader · 01-09-2016, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

BG,

But isn't Kikaha a 3-4 type player? Out of position in DA system (assuming he is the DC in 2016), no?

No,he played a lot in a 4-3 this year and did a good job.

jeanpierre · 01-09-2016, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I agree with Wilkerson being a great addition. He would be outstanding as a DT next to Jordan but he might draw a large contract.

Well if you stick with the 3-4, you could have a front next season of Cam Jordan - John Jenkins - Tyeler Davison - (Muhammad Wilkerson)...

That wouldn't be too shabby...

But if you went to a 3-4, you could have front of Cam Jordan - John Jenkins/Tyeler Davison - (Muhammad Wilkerson) and then add Karim Edebali across from Hau'oli Kikaha...

ChrisXVI · 01-09-2016, 08:15 PM

I don't understand gauging how players will fit on our defense if we run a 3-4 or a 4-3. We will spend 33.3% of our defensive snaps in our base defense. The other 66.6% of the time we'll have 4 down lineman and some combination of LB's and DB's. At this point, just assume that no matter what our base defense is we'll normally be playing with 4 down defensive lineman.

Dennis Allen has never run a 3-4 defense so let's look for guys that will fit on a 4 man front.

blackangold · 01-09-2016, 08:23 PM

Allen has always run a 43.

If you look at what we ran when he took over it slowly moved to a 43. In fact during the last 5 games I can't recall a single 34 alignment.

Jordan is a great DE.
Davidson and Jenkins should sub out at 1 DT spot.
The other spots are wide open though.

Richardson is no better than a practice squad player and Williams won't come back for another year. We desperately need a starting DT and DE both can be had with good picks in the draft.

01-09-2016, 07:48 PM	#11
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency I agree with Wilkerson being a great addition. He would be outstanding as a DT next to Jordan but he might draw a large contract.

01-09-2016, 07:51 PM	#12
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency Originally Posted by AsylumGuido What I find amusing is that you, and others, of course, may actually be serious about that declaration. Anyone who goes through this exercise is simply going through a meaningless, yet entertaining, I suppose, 'what if' that impresses no one but yourself and others that play the same game. To a degree I understand the compassion. It is much like fantasy football of which I am a huge fan. But, I don't see how you measure success as in fantasy football. The draft to me is totally a wait and see proposition. None of us, and I mean NONE of us, have anywhere near enough insight to make any sort of intelligent projection. If any of you actually had more ability of making these decisions you should immediately quit your jobs and become front office personnel. Just giving a little dig at y'all, but I'll just sit back and see what those that REALLY know what they are doing do what they are paid to do. Carry on and fun with your version of fantasy. This post adds zero value to the board... Glad I wasted my time reading another one of these outstanding contributions to the forum...

01-09-2016, 07:52 PM	#13
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,851 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency JP - Give me your thoughts on my list of "lesser name FA's" ... Damon Harrison, NT Nick Fairley Brandon Brooks Robert Ayers And one of my favorites .. BRIAN QUICK - WR (Rams) Hopefully this will be a low key FA period. Building your team through the draft is still the best hope for improvement long term.

01-09-2016, 07:57 PM	#14
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency Originally Posted by K Major JP - Give me your thoughts on my list of "lesser name FA's" ... Damon Harrison, NT Nick Fairley Brandon Brooks Robert Ayers And one of my favorites .. BRIAN QUICK - WR (Rams) Hopefully this will be a low key FA period. Building your team through the draft is still the best hope for improvement long term. I like Ayers, but Allen plays a 43 so hopefully he can catch on as OLB. I hope we don't make any big splashes this year. They haven't worked out. Last years draft was good and we finally went after positions of need. In years past Payton has gone after BPA and that was an awful strategy.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,851 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency BG, But isn't Kikaha a 3-4 type player? Out of position in DA system (assuming he is the DC in 2016), no?

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency Harrison, I believe was a Restricted Free Agent last season; I really like him; Hagan and I went back and forth in our mancrush for him last season; problem you've got is you can't commit that much money to him when there's not that much too commit, especially when you've got this scheme contradiction between personnel and where Allen is putting his pieces on the board... Fairley is a great physical talent for sure, but there's just waaay too much baggage there for the Saints to touch... Brooks recently missed a game because of some GI issues; this is not something new for him; having personal history, I can say this could be something serious and I wouldn't want to commit that much money to a guard with those question marks... Ayers has been a fine player, but he's 30+ and we've got as good and younger already on the team...
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01-09-2016, 08:01 PM	#17
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,051	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency Originally Posted by K Major BG, But isn't Kikaha a 3-4 type player? Out of position in DA system (assuming he is the DC in 2016), no? No,he played a lot in a 4-3 this year and did a good job. blackangold and ctsaint01 like this.

01-09-2016, 08:04 PM	#18
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency Originally Posted by blackangold I agree with Wilkerson being a great addition. He would be outstanding as a DT next to Jordan but he might draw a large contract. Well if you stick with the 3-4, you could have a front next season of Cam Jordan - John Jenkins - Tyeler Davison - (Muhammad Wilkerson)... That wouldn't be too shabby... But if you went to a 3-4, you could have front of Cam Jordan - John Jenkins/Tyeler Davison - (Muhammad Wilkerson) and then add Karim Edebali across from Hau'oli Kikaha...

01-09-2016, 08:15 PM	#19
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency I don't understand gauging how players will fit on our defense if we run a 3-4 or a 4-3. We will spend 33.3% of our defensive snaps in our base defense. The other 66.6% of the time we'll have 4 down lineman and some combination of LB's and DB's. At this point, just assume that no matter what our base defense is we'll normally be playing with 4 down defensive lineman. Dennis Allen has never run a 3-4 defense so let's look for guys that will fit on a 4 man front.
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01-09-2016, 08:23 PM	#20
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2016 Saints Free Agency Allen has always run a 43. If you look at what we ran when he took over it slowly moved to a 43. In fact during the last 5 games I can't recall a single 34 alignment. Jordan is a great DE. Davidson and Jenkins should sub out at 1 DT spot. The other spots are wide open though. Richardson is no better than a practice squad player and Williams won't come back for another year. We desperately need a starting DT and DE both can be had with good picks in the draft. MarchingOn and ctsaint01 like this.

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