What if Browner stays?

Rugby Saint II · 01-24-2016, 01:39 PM

If we used him to his skills(even declining skills) he would be adequate. But we would be better off if he didn't receive many snaps.

lumm0x · 01-25-2016, 08:50 AM

The guy didn't get bad overnight. He was a square peg in a round hole from day one. Under both Ryan and Allen we had this guy in many man coverage situations he had no business being in. Hell against Carolina we put him man on Ted Ginn. He couldn't stay with Ginn if he was allowed to drive his car. He is a short field zone guy and nothing more. Have him jam off the line and then shed into short zones and that is all his good for. And that's how Belichik and Carroll used him. If we do the same maybe he isn't the disaster he is. But we used him like he's a typical corner and he isn't. But after his display of maturity and comments we need to cut bait on him regardless of financial impact. He is bad for this team.

jeanpierre · 01-25-2016, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

The guy didn't get bad overnight. He was a square peg in a round hole from day one. Under both Ryan and Allen we had this guy in many man coverage situations he had no business being in. Hell against Carolina we put him man on Ted Ginn. He couldn't stay with Ginn if he was allowed to drive his car. He is a short field zone guy and nothing more. Have him jam off the line and then shed into short zones and that is all his good for. And that's how Belichik and Carroll used him. If we do the same maybe he isn't the disaster he is. But we used him like he's a typical corner and he isn't. But after his display of maturity and comments we need to cut bait on him regardless of financial impact. He is bad for this team.

Lumm0x, actually he did get bad overnight - it's his age, and it started with New England last season; further, this guy, because of his size, was usually assigned big wide receivers in man-to-man physical bump & run...

He would be useless in a zone as he doesn't have the quickness he once had, if ever...

But you make an excellent point that both Ryan and Allen seem to lack the ability to properly assess their personnel and put them in the best position to succeed, matching Payton's skill at doing the same on offense...

Papa Voodoo · 01-25-2016, 12:22 PM

If he does stay they have to move him to safety. He can't cover wideouts.

voodooido · 01-25-2016, 06:12 PM

He is not going anywhere. Cap hit is too big. I say move him to Safety and let him fight for a spot there. He is to slow to be a CB. If he can not beat out a UDFA or a cheap backup (under 500K) then send him packing. I would rather have him ride the pine as a back up than eat that cap hit.

Danno · 01-25-2016, 07:14 PM

He's a physical press CB. That is a completely different skillset than safety.

He'd be a horrible safety, absolutely horrible.

voodooido · 01-25-2016, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

He's a physical press CB. That is a completely different skillset than safety.

He'd be a horrible safety, absolutely horrible.

And this is different from him playing CB?

Danno · 01-25-2016, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

And this is different from him playing CB?

Yes

voodooido · 01-25-2016, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Yes

So his ****ty play at CB is better than his ****ty play at Safety? You can polish a turd but it's still a turd.

Danno · 01-25-2016, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

So his ****ty play at CB is better than his ****ty play at Safety? You can polish a turd but it's still a turd.

Why try to polish a turd?

01-24-2016, 01:39 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,182	Re: What if Browner stays? If we used him to his skills(even declining skills) he would be adequate. But we would be better off if he didn't receive many snaps.

01-25-2016, 08:50 AM	#2
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Re: What if Browner stays? The guy didn't get bad overnight. He was a square peg in a round hole from day one. Under both Ryan and Allen we had this guy in many man coverage situations he had no business being in. Hell against Carolina we put him man on Ted Ginn. He couldn't stay with Ginn if he was allowed to drive his car. He is a short field zone guy and nothing more. Have him jam off the line and then shed into short zones and that is all his good for. And that's how Belichik and Carroll used him. If we do the same maybe he isn't the disaster he is. But we used him like he's a typical corner and he isn't. But after his display of maturity and comments we need to cut bait on him regardless of financial impact. He is bad for this team.

01-25-2016, 10:46 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What if Browner stays? Originally Posted by lumm0x The guy didn't get bad overnight. He was a square peg in a round hole from day one. Under both Ryan and Allen we had this guy in many man coverage situations he had no business being in. Hell against Carolina we put him man on Ted Ginn. He couldn't stay with Ginn if he was allowed to drive his car. He is a short field zone guy and nothing more. Have him jam off the line and then shed into short zones and that is all his good for. And that's how Belichik and Carroll used him. If we do the same maybe he isn't the disaster he is. But we used him like he's a typical corner and he isn't. But after his display of maturity and comments we need to cut bait on him regardless of financial impact. He is bad for this team. Lumm0x, actually he did get bad overnight - it's his age, and it started with New England last season; further, this guy, because of his size, was usually assigned big wide receivers in man-to-man physical bump & run... He would be useless in a zone as he doesn't have the quickness he once had, if ever... But you make an excellent point that both Ryan and Allen seem to lack the ability to properly assess their personnel and put them in the best position to succeed, matching Payton's skill at doing the same on offense...

01-25-2016, 12:22 PM	#4
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: What if Browner stays? If he does stay they have to move him to safety. He can't cover wideouts.

01-25-2016, 06:12 PM	#5
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,843	Re: What if Browner stays? He is not going anywhere. Cap hit is too big. I say move him to Safety and let him fight for a spot there. He is to slow to be a CB. If he can not beat out a UDFA or a cheap backup (under 500K) then send him packing. I would rather have him ride the pine as a back up than eat that cap hit.
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01-25-2016, 07:14 PM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: What if Browner stays? He's a physical press CB. That is a completely different skillset than safety. He'd be a horrible safety, absolutely horrible.

01-25-2016, 07:35 PM	#7
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,843	Re: What if Browner stays? Originally Posted by Danno He's a physical press CB. That is a completely different skillset than safety. He'd be a horrible safety, absolutely horrible. And this is different from him playing CB?
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01-25-2016, 08:38 PM	#8
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: What if Browner stays? Originally Posted by voodooido And this is different from him playing CB? Yes

01-25-2016, 08:40 PM	#9
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,843	Re: What if Browner stays? Originally Posted by Danno Yes So his **ty play at CB is better than his **ty play at Safety? You can polish a turd but it's still a turd.
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01-25-2016, 08:41 PM	#10
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: What if Browner stays? Originally Posted by voodooido So his **ty play at CB is better than his **ty play at Safety? You can polish a turd but it's still a turd. Why try to polish a turd?

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