What if Browner stays?
 

Is there any conclusive evidence Browner is going? He would only save us 1 million this season in cap money because he has 5 million in dead money.

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If he stays, cut him regardless of fiscal damage.......not worth my high blood pressure condition.

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He stays. Unless something major has changed, this organization has shown time and time again they wont swallow their pride and admit they made a mistake.
That being said watch what happens if we somehow manage to improve our pass rush next season. My bet is that Browner will go from one of the most hated Saints ever to bright spot.

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Hmmmm....

http://www.farrahgray.com/wp-content...or-Galette.jpg

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Then we get hosed Tommy, we get hosed

http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p...wegothosed.jpg

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We change the color of our turf to yellow???

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The guy starts the year by saying he wants to go back to Seattle, and then is a absolute negative factor on the field, consistently costing us.

Grass knoll sure, but after the 12th penalty on third down , you start wondering.
23 penalties in one season is insane

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WHAT!!!!!!! who said he could stay. Get him otta here on the first train, steamboat , just get him otta here.

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Good example. Junior Galette acting like a total maniac on a beach was COMPLETELY the Saints mistake, of which they obviously admitted to.

That's exactly the same thing as blowing enormous amounts of money on players who perform poorly on the field... Clearly.

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If Browner stops with the PI and holding he'll be fine. Be real, the guy isn't going anywhere.

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Well when is he going to stop that? You realize he does that because he's consistently getting beat, right?

That's not some small problem that he's likely to correct at this point of his career.

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So what your saying is he'll be here for a while.

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If he wasn't holding or PI the wr will be at least 5 yds in front of him

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gotta get this dead cap money under control. he stays and plays based on the last few games of the season. Allen looks like he knows how handle and use him. plus if the gods are nice the saints will have a healthy secondary and maybe a new piece or two in order to keep bowner from playing outside.

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He wasn't half bad after Dennis Allen took over as the defensive coordinator.

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Reality - Saints aren't going to add to dead money; even Payton and Loomis aren't exempt from an owner's wrath for wasted money...

Galette had extreme damning evidence that 'eased' his release; but don't think the owners' aren't stinging from having to write Galette's check...

Browner is an old dog who will have to learn new tricks; Glenn was hired for a reason - to reign in and discipline the veterans who need to be checked...

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If he goes this board will be decimated!! All we'll have to complain about is whoever replaces him along with the "usual cast of suspects!" On the bright side that would open up space for a plethora of "What If" threads!! If that fails we can always have a "Poll:Poll"on how effective having polls on polls are!

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I will give you kudos for trying really, really hard. But I am almost started to feel bad for you. Almost..

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If he stays use him in a three safety set. Get him hitting a TE at the line and use him in the box. If Lewis is 70% of the player he was it Breaux and Lewis at CB and we have the two youngsters if they recover

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lol... You almost felt sorry for me. That's good to know. But you don't have any real substantive response. So I guess that pity would have been misplaced.

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Well, I guess I am going to have to explain it, as usual.

See? Sometimes in life, we all make decisions which, at the time we make them, may look like good decisions (like for example, my decision of acknowledging you by replying to your post). And sometimes, we look at all the options, good and bad, and feel making a particular decision is the right thing to do.

Then, time proves us wrong; time tells us "you made a mistake".

Then, what do we do? If we have the power to rectify it, do we continue living with this mistake? Or do we do something about it to correct it, or at least mitigate it somehow?

In the case of the Saints and Galette, for starters, neither you or I, or anyone outside the Saints organization knows what went into the decision of giving Galette the payday he was given: we don't know if the Saints knew about incidents and just gambled, we don't know if they had no idea Galette was a head case or not; we don't know if Galette exhibited issues in the locker room...

However, given how disruptive Galette became in the locker room (which I am willing to bet weighted much more than Galette dishing out leather at the beach), time proved the decision to give Galette his payday was a mistake. So the Saints released him.

As to why I chose the picture of Galette belting women for my post: I was looking for a picture of Galette grinning, but I came across that one, and I thought it was more fun to post that one.

Do you get it now, or do I have to bring out the smaller spoon?

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I think if he stays and plays, I think we will be looking at 7-9 or 8-8 again. It's seriously that bad, man. They could keep him for pride to avoid the dead money and have him ride the pine, but with Browner on the field, look....both the refs and the opposing offenses, all have his number and teams have figured out exactly how to systematically move their team down the field and score, when Browner is on that field.... Obviously the memo is out and around, the refs have been told to keep a close eye on him. The coaches know it, the QB's know it, the refs know it, the league front office knows it, and it shows in his stat line and his play. He's toast - really in all reality, the guy is done in the NFL. He's literally a poster boy for all the complaints and grumbling that happened behind the scenes and behind closed doors, about that Seahawks defense that won the championship that year by playing like Browner plays.

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#39 is a below average NFL corner back. IMO he stinks.
If he had decent ability the Seahawks would have paid him OR the Patriots would have picked up the tab (2 million) option to keep him.

HUGE mistake to sign and over pay for this guy .. we ended up getting the short end of the stick.

Hopefully Breaux/Keenan can stay healthy & the young bucks ... PJ, Kyle Wilson, Swann, Dixon can step up their game & keep #39 off the field.

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Your condescending attempt of an explanation was a waste of both your time and mine. You knew before posting that, that I know exactly what it means to recognize a mistake. So why don't you think of a more mature approach than pretending I'm an idiot.

My point was simple. Your example was poor. A guy acting like a maniac, and having video of such left the Saints with no choice. It wasn't their mistake that he turned out that way.

Do you really think if they knew anything prior to paying him that he was like this, that they would have given him that contract? If they knew before and didn't care, what would have changed suddenly? Nothing. They paid him because he was coming off a 12 sack season. At the time, it made football sense. He had proven something on the field.

We're talking about football decisions in here, or did you forget? When someone does what Galette did, there isn't any decision to make, or mistake to admit. You just get rid of him.

Not nearly the same thing as giving extensions to aging, declining players or paying Will Smith like he was Bruce Smith, or all of the free agents they've swung and missed on.

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My guess is that the Saints front office will ignore your blood pressure as a factor in their decision.

;)

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It absolutely pains me to say this but, Browner isn't going anywhere. Anyone who thinks that he is, is living in the Twilight Zone. I only hope they can keep his carnage to a minimum.

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What's the difference between Browner and this... and how much is it worth?

http://queerty-prodweb.s3.amazonaws....poo-bucket.jpg

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Do anyone recollect one game that would be persuasive enough to give him another chance? I think he is worst than jason David. Jason get burnt but at least he don't give up 1st downs on regular basis for holding penalties. Why his teammates aren't livid at him for all of those unnecessary penalties on 3rd down is baffling. Why he wasn't benched behind Dixon or Wilson is more uncomprehending .

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This entire D was bad not just Browner, a SS that can cover and lay wood could have helped on the back end. Browner doesn't have deep speed. He is a bump and run physical type CB that plays better near the line to second level better not deep. A WR with speed on a free release eats up alot of CB not only Browner. I noticed early season he don't flip his hips very quick changing direction, he is better in the box but needs help deep.

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Nope, take it a step further.

#39 was one of the the worst players PFF has ever graded this year (maybe the worst). He was the last ranked CB by a huge margin. With the Patriots he was the 79th, ... 79th ranked CB in the league. He had his snaps cut in half by the Pats. He committed 16 penalties. The Pats then failed to pick up his 2 million dollar option to keep him. When he was with the Seahags he just held on every play. The NFL rules have changed and those days of mugging WRs are over.

The guy is on the wrong side of 30. What skills he did have are all but gone.

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I wonder if we could trade him to Seattle for Jimmy Graham.

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Wouldn't that require us adding some D coaches who know what they're doing? Is there a limit as to how many coaches a team can carry as it doesn't look like we're letting many go....?

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I guess I do have to bring out the smaller spoon.

As I explained in my reply, which I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you did not read in its entirety, I chose that picture because it was fun! :) ...

See? Originally, I was just going to reply with a simple "Galette turned out to be a mistake and yet they released him". But that isn't my style...

...so I went looking for a picture of Galette, thinking I could find one with a trollish grin... and then I came across the Belting at South Beach... so I thought to myself "hey, that's a fun picture for my post!!"

So I posted it.

And I am willing to bet everyone, but you, got the gist of why I posted it.

My example is not poor. My example, again, is Galette turned out a mistake and they released him, at a great cost no less.

And who knows, maybe they knew of the beach incident... but that's another conversation.

Yet, again, you felt the need to reply to one of my comments with yet another poor attempt at sarcasm, because you love me, and with a weak argument to booth.

I am going to let you in a little secret.. well, not a secret, just something you have not noticed... I don't reply to anything you post unless you reply to a post of mine with your usual condescension/poor attempts at sarcasm. Heck, if I see your name, I don't even read what you post because I know where that usually goes. You may want to consider doing the same.

And now, I am going to correct my mistake.

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If we used him to his skills(even declining skills) he would be adequate. But we would be better off if he didn't receive many snaps.

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The guy didn't get bad overnight. He was a square peg in a round hole from day one. Under both Ryan and Allen we had this guy in many man coverage situations he had no business being in. Hell against Carolina we put him man on Ted Ginn. He couldn't stay with Ginn if he was allowed to drive his car. He is a short field zone guy and nothing more. Have him jam off the line and then shed into short zones and that is all his good for. And that's how Belichik and Carroll used him. If we do the same maybe he isn't the disaster he is. But we used him like he's a typical corner and he isn't. But after his display of maturity and comments we need to cut bait on him regardless of financial impact. He is bad for this team.

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Lumm0x, actually he did get bad overnight - it's his age, and it started with New England last season; further, this guy, because of his size, was usually assigned big wide receivers in man-to-man physical bump & run...

He would be useless in a zone as he doesn't have the quickness he once had, if ever...

But you make an excellent point that both Ryan and Allen seem to lack the ability to properly assess their personnel and put them in the best position to succeed, matching Payton's skill at doing the same on offense...

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If he does stay they have to move him to safety. He can't cover wideouts.

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He is not going anywhere. Cap hit is too big. I say move him to Safety and let him fight for a spot there. He is to slow to be a CB. If he can not beat out a UDFA or a cheap backup (under 500K) then send him packing. I would rather have him ride the pine as a back up than eat that cap hit.

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He's a physical press CB. That is a completely different skillset than safety.

He'd be a horrible safety, absolutely horrible.

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And this is different from him playing CB?