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Do you remember in '09 when Gregg Williams defense beat up the offense in training camp and they went to Payton to complain? Payton told them to man up and that season worked out well.

The one thing I remember from training camp that year was a report that Brees had to be restrained because he and Vilma pretty much hated each other for a couple of months, only becsuse it was such an insanely close chess match between them every day, it made the team 10 times better.