Ya know, it's been fun................

saintswhodi · 02-26-2005, 04:59 PM

Battling about AB, battling about the defense and such, but man I am burned out. I can't do it any more. I just don't have the energy any more to try and explain my position, the position of others who agree, and deciphering the counter arguments. Not that it wasn't a rush for a while, it's just not worth it. We ll have our opinions, it just appears there are some who are willing to listen to a different perspective and some who have their mind made up but still wanna challenge what you say, with no doubt in their mind they are not gonna listen, but just to argue. Everyone I think has a valid point, but those points often times get bogged down in just trying to prove what you say is right, and not actually LISTENING to what the other person is saying. But it's all good. I am just done with those debates.

Another reason I am done is we have a very important time coming up in the next few days. The opening of free agency. This is where we will see what this team is gonna be about this year. We will get to gauge how serious they are about winning. We all know the mistakes of the past, and will be able to tell if they are BSing us again or not about this player or that player. One good thing that has come of the failures I have found is mostly all of us know how to evaluate a player and if he will be able to help or not. We will see what Darren Howard brings to us in a trade. We will see if Joe gets his money(although that may come later). We will see what kind of moves the team is making to prepare for the draft. I am very excited and interested.

So, so long AB discussions, bye bye defense sucks discussions, the weight has been lifted. It's a new time for me at BNG. Let's hope that free agency lifts us skeptics to a sense of new found hope, and that this org is really gonna try this time. And let's hope there is enough news to carry us into the draft. And let's hope it is more applause for the moves than head scratching this year. :thumbsup:

dberce1 · 02-26-2005, 05:25 PM

I give you about 7.5 minutes before you revert.

saintfan · 02-26-2005, 08:44 PM

AB is great and our Defense sucks!

LMAO

Just pullin\' your chain whodi.

mutineer10 · 02-26-2005, 09:00 PM

Guess it\'s official, then? Are the \"AB Haters\" retreating?

Hurts to pack up the tent, but I\'ve been increasingly giving up as well. When AB\'s not on the field every week reminding folks how \"great\" he is, memories seem to get a little short.

Oh well ... we fought the good fight. And unless our wishes are granted, we\'ll be proven right once again next season (for the 5th year in a row!).

To better days...

saintswhodi · 02-26-2005, 09:40 PM

dberce, I beat your time, what do I win?

saintfan, :P

mutey, we will live to fight another day. The season will come before you know it.

JKool · 02-26-2005, 09:58 PM

:mcgregor:

SaintFanInATLHELL · 02-26-2005, 11:45 PM

Battling about AB, battling about the defense and such, but man I am burned out. I can\'t do it any more. I just don\'t have the energy any more to try and explain my position, the position of others who agree, and deciphering the counter arguments. Not that it wasn\'t a rush for a while, it\'s just not worth it. We ll have our opinions, it just appears there are some who are willing to listen to a different perspective and some who have their mind made up but still wanna challenge what you say, with no doubt in their mind they are not gonna listen, but just to argue. Everyone I think has a valid point, but those points often times get bogged down in just trying to prove what you say is right, and not actually LISTENING to what the other person is saying. But it\'s all good. I am just done with those debates.

It\'s draining. That\'s why I come in a battle for awhile, then just sit back and read for awhile.

I agree with your themes on the subjects above, just not the degree.

I\'m starting to think that there should be some kind of stat that measures the positive/negative impact of a particular player.

Another reason I am done is we have a very important time coming up in the next few days. The opening of free agency. This is where we will see what this team is gonna be about this year. We will get to gauge how serious they are about winning. We all know the mistakes of the past, and will be able to tell if they are BSing us again or not about this player or that player. One good thing that has come of the failures I have found is mostly all of us know how to evaluate a player and if he will be able to help or not. We will see what Darren Howard brings to us in a trade. We will see if Joe gets his money(although that may come later). We will see what kind of moves the team is making to prepare for the draft. I am very excited and interested.

I have my doubts unfortunately. There was no significant changes in either the coaching staff or the front office. So I fully expect to get the \"We just need to tweak to get over the hump.\" scenario again.

Note that the Saints most impactful acquisition didn\'t happen until the season started.

So, so long AB discussions, bye bye defense sucks discussions, the weight has been lifted. It\'s a new time for me at BNG. Let\'s hope that free agency lifts us skeptics to a sense of new found hope, and that this org is really gonna try this time. And let\'s hope there is enough news to carry us into the draft. And let\'s hope it is more applause for the moves than head scratching this year. :thumbsup:

Agreed.

SFIAH

Tobias-Reiper · 02-27-2005, 06:48 AM

..there\'s a big difference between explaining your position and trying to convince people you are right no matter what...

JKool · 02-27-2005, 12:35 PM

... there\'s also a big difference between discussing and accusing...

GumboBC · 02-27-2005, 12:46 PM

Where the problems come in at is one someone takes a debate personally.

Or, when someone makes it personal!!

I could care less what someone thinks of Brooks. But, calling names, making little snide comments, and the alike isn\'t needed.

IF you know someone very well and neiter take it persoanally, it\'s not such a bad thing.

I\'m able to do that with WhoDat and Gator, and they\'re able to do that with me, but even we go a little overboard at times. But, we all settle down and we hold no grudges.

Battle it out with stats, articles, opinions, or whatever....

But, it\'s best to leave the personal atttacks out of it.

You may get frustrated because you can\'t convince someone you\'re right. Just leave the name calling out of it.

I\'m talking to no one in particualar. Just stating my opinion... :P

02-26-2005, 04:59 PM	#1
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Ya know, it's been fun................ Battling about AB, battling about the defense and such, but man I am burned out. I can't do it any more. I just don't have the energy any more to try and explain my position, the position of others who agree, and deciphering the counter arguments. Not that it wasn't a rush for a while, it's just not worth it. We ll have our opinions, it just appears there are some who are willing to listen to a different perspective and some who have their mind made up but still wanna challenge what you say, with no doubt in their mind they are not gonna listen, but just to argue. Everyone I think has a valid point, but those points often times get bogged down in just trying to prove what you say is right, and not actually LISTENING to what the other person is saying. But it's all good. I am just done with those debates. Another reason I am done is we have a very important time coming up in the next few days. The opening of free agency. This is where we will see what this team is gonna be about this year. We will get to gauge how serious they are about winning. We all know the mistakes of the past, and will be able to tell if they are BSing us again or not about this player or that player. One good thing that has come of the failures I have found is mostly all of us know how to evaluate a player and if he will be able to help or not. We will see what Darren Howard brings to us in a trade. We will see if Joe gets his money(although that may come later). We will see what kind of moves the team is making to prepare for the draft. I am very excited and interested. So, so long AB discussions, bye bye defense sucks discussions, the weight has been lifted. It's a new time for me at BNG. Let's hope that free agency lifts us skeptics to a sense of new found hope, and that this org is really gonna try this time. And let's hope there is enough news to carry us into the draft. And let's hope it is more applause for the moves than head scratching this year. :thumbsup:

02-26-2005, 05:25 PM	#2
dberce1 Chuck Liddells Right Hand Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Prairieville, Louisiana Posts: 1,227	Ya know, it's been fun................ I give you about 7.5 minutes before you revert.

02-26-2005, 08:44 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Ya know, it's been fun................ AB is great and our Defense sucks! LMAO Just pullin\' your chain whodi.

02-26-2005, 09:00 PM	#4
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	Ya know, it's been fun................ Guess it\'s official, then? Are the \"AB Haters\" retreating? Hurts to pack up the tent, but I\'ve been increasingly giving up as well. When AB\'s not on the field every week reminding folks how \"great\" he is, memories seem to get a little short. Oh well ... we fought the good fight. And unless our wishes are granted, we\'ll be proven right once again next season (for the 5th year in a row!). To better days...

02-26-2005, 09:40 PM	#5
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02-26-2005, 09:58 PM	#6
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02-26-2005, 11:45 PM	#7
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Ya know, it's been fun................ Battling about AB, battling about the defense and such, but man I am burned out. I can\'t do it any more. I just don\'t have the energy any more to try and explain my position, the position of others who agree, and deciphering the counter arguments. Not that it wasn\'t a rush for a while, it\'s just not worth it. We ll have our opinions, it just appears there are some who are willing to listen to a different perspective and some who have their mind made up but still wanna challenge what you say, with no doubt in their mind they are not gonna listen, but just to argue. Everyone I think has a valid point, but those points often times get bogged down in just trying to prove what you say is right, and not actually LISTENING to what the other person is saying. But it\'s all good. I am just done with those debates. It\'s draining. That\'s why I come in a battle for awhile, then just sit back and read for awhile. I agree with your themes on the subjects above, just not the degree. I\'m starting to think that there should be some kind of stat that measures the positive/negative impact of a particular player. Another reason I am done is we have a very important time coming up in the next few days. The opening of free agency. This is where we will see what this team is gonna be about this year. We will get to gauge how serious they are about winning. We all know the mistakes of the past, and will be able to tell if they are BSing us again or not about this player or that player. One good thing that has come of the failures I have found is mostly all of us know how to evaluate a player and if he will be able to help or not. We will see what Darren Howard brings to us in a trade. We will see if Joe gets his money(although that may come later). We will see what kind of moves the team is making to prepare for the draft. I am very excited and interested. I have my doubts unfortunately. There was no significant changes in either the coaching staff or the front office. So I fully expect to get the \"We just need to tweak to get over the hump.\" scenario again. Note that the Saints most impactful acquisition didn\'t happen until the season started. So, so long AB discussions, bye bye defense sucks discussions, the weight has been lifted. It\'s a new time for me at BNG. Let\'s hope that free agency lifts us skeptics to a sense of new found hope, and that this org is really gonna try this time. And let\'s hope there is enough news to carry us into the draft. And let\'s hope it is more applause for the moves than head scratching this year. :thumbsup: Agreed. SFIAH
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02-27-2005, 06:48 AM	#8
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Ya know, it's been fun................ ..there\'s a big difference between explaining your position and trying to convince people you are right no matter what...

02-27-2005, 12:35 PM	#9
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Ya know, it's been fun................ ... there\'s also a big difference between discussing and accusing...

02-27-2005, 12:46 PM	#10
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Ya know, it's been fun................ Where the problems come in at is one someone takes a debate personally. Or, when someone makes it personal!! I could care less what someone thinks of Brooks. But, calling names, making little snide comments, and the alike isn\'t needed. IF you know someone very well and neiter take it persoanally, it\'s not such a bad thing. I\'m able to do that with WhoDat and Gator, and they\'re able to do that with me, but even we go a little overboard at times. But, we all settle down and we hold no grudges. Battle it out with stats, articles, opinions, or whatever.... But, it\'s best to leave the personal atttacks out of it. You may get frustrated because you can\'t convince someone you\'re right. Just leave the name calling out of it. I\'m talking to no one in particualar. Just stating my opinion... :P
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