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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal Your pompous assumption that writers who live from check to check can't balance a check book is just another strike against your credibility. You sound bitter and egotistical. You said writers, but I know you mean ...

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Old 02-19-2016, 08:12 PM   #1
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Re: Saints convert Cam Jordan's roster bonus into signing bonus. Creating $4.8 million in cap space.

Originally Posted by burningmetal View Post
Your pompous assumption that writers who live from check to check can't balance a check book is just another strike against your credibility. You sound bitter and egotistical. You said writers, but I know you mean all of us (the little people). Well who are you? What are you doing here? If you think you are privy to so much that we somehow aren't, then why do you come here and argue with us? Why aren't you working in the NFL? Did it ever occur to you, that you're here for the same reason as everyone else... to give an opinion? You don't have to agree, pal, but if you are so maddened by it all that you think no one should even be allowed to speak on it then you shouldn't be opining, either.
As for this comment, I have worked with and know quite a number of sports writers, photographers, cameramen, reporters and commentators and I would venture to bet that approaching 100% of them would agree with me on their bookkeeping abilities. It is an extremely demanding occupation and I respect the hell out of each and every one of the true professionals.

I can safely say that a far greater percentage of the "little people" have more of a well rounded understanding of finance than the average media person, but still has a far lower understanding than that of those with the professional training to deal in the field.

And, by the way, when I worked toward getting my degree in accounting there was the dream of pursuing a career in sports management. A wonderful wife and two awesome sons helped me move in a more sustainable direction.
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Old 02-19-2016, 09:08 PM   #2
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Re: Saints convert Cam Jordan's roster bonus into signing bonus. Creating $4.8 million in cap space.

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As for this comment, I have worked with and know quite a number of sports writers, photographers, cameramen, reporters and commentators and I would venture to bet that approaching 100% of them would agree with me on their bookkeeping abilities. It is an extremely demanding occupation and I respect the hell out of each and every one of the true professionals.

I can safely say that a far greater percentage of the "little people" have more of a well rounded understanding of finance than the average media person, but still has a far lower understanding than that of those with the professional training to deal in the field.

And, by the way, when I worked toward getting my degree in accounting there was the dream of pursuing a career in sports management. A wonderful wife and two awesome sons helped me move in a more sustainable direction.
You would venture to bet, huh? Did you ask them that, or are you just assuming still? Because if so, you're opinion is unreliable.

By the way, don't think I didn't notice your attempt to backtrack on your comment about balancing a checkbook. Telling me bookkeeping is a demanding job and that you respect the professionals.... You clearly said that they most likely have no idea how to balance a checkbook... You didn't say anything about bookkeeping for an entire business. It isn't very hard to keep track of your own records. But that was the implication of your post, that these people couldn't do it. That's your tactics.

I will say it YET AGAIN. It doesn't take a degree to see a mistake. I don't have to know the fineprint in a contract, when I see a guy who's making far more money then he should have been offered, and the team is paying the price for it. Let me explain to you how your argument really looks from the outside...

"That guy just shot that person for no reason".

"You don't know that it was for no reason. You don't know what happened between those two to lead to this".

"Ok... it doesn't really matter. He just shot him. That's murder either way".

"I've been shot at before, and this isn't murder".

"What? Yes, yes it is. It definitely is. How does the fact that you got shot give you the right to say what is or isn't murder, but I somehow don't know, even though I just saw it happen?"

"Nope. You don't know what you're talking about".

That's terrific that you have a wife and two sons. I have an awesome daughter, and had a wife. Most people in the NFL have families as well. That does not change my point. You're not in the NFL, so you know nothing more than us. But you want us to believe you do because you worked in the media. Yet we aren't supposed to listen to any media. Even though I'm not basing my opinion off of the media.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 02-19-2016, 09:32 PM   #3
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You would venture to bet, huh? Did you ask them that, or are you just assuming still? Because if so, you're opinion is unreliable.

By the way, don't think I didn't notice your attempt to backtrack on your comment about balancing a checkbook. Telling me bookkeeping is a demanding job and that you respect the professionals.... You clearly said that they most likely have no idea how to balance a checkbook... You didn't see anything about bookkeeping for an entire business. It isn't very hard to keep track of your own records. But that was the implication of your post, that these people couldn't do it. That's your tactics.

I will say it YET AGAIN. It doesn't take a degree to see a mistake. I don't have to know the fineprint in a contract, when I see a guy who's making far more money then he should have been offered, and the team is paying the price for it. Let me explain to you how your argument really looks from the outside...

"That guy just shot that person for no reason".

"You don't know that it was for no reason. You don't know what happened between those two to lead to this".

"Ok... it doesn't really matter. He just shot him. That's murder either way".

"I've been shot at before, and this isn't murder".

"What? Yes, yes it is. It definitely is. How does the fact that you got shot give you the right to say what is or isn't murder, but I somehow don't know, even though I just saw it happen?"

"Nope. You don't know what you're talking about".

That's terrific that you have a wife and two sons. I have an awesome daughter, and had a wife. Most people in the NFL have families as well. That does not change my point. You're not in the NFL, so you know nothing more than us. But you want us to believe you do because you worked in the media. Yet we aren't supposed to listen to any media. Even though I'm not basing my opinion off of the media.
No asking necessary, friend. The lack of financial acumen is a common part of discussion in the media field. Bragging upon who has married into the ability to handle the personal finances is a running joke. That said, reread that paragraph you wrote. It was very difficult to understand what you were trying to relay, but, yes, I very much respect the media professionals in their work ethic. It is extremely demanding. But, one of the main reasons I left the business was one of the things most have a problem handling. Get a story or picture out there regardless of impact as long as it means no lawsuit.

Oh, now this is REALLY going to piss you off. I have been shot and still have a massive scar and lead in the leg.

So Loomis supposedly overpaid for a player or two or three that he was instructed to sign with most likely not having final say on final amount. So he gets the blame because he made it possible on the books.

Yup. He sucks.

You are *****ing in a vacuum. Every team in the NFL have had countless bad deals. Many have made better personnel moves, although getting Brees was history making. And many have made FAR more horrendous moves (see Cleveland).
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Old 02-19-2016, 09:51 PM   #4
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No asking necessary, friend. The lack of financial acumen is a common part of discussion in the media field. Bragging upon who has married into the ability to handle the personal finances is a running joke. That said, reread that paragraph you wrote. It was very difficult to understand what you were trying to relay, but, yes, I very much respect the media professionals in their work ethic. It is extremely demanding. But, one of the main reasons I left the business was one of the things most have a problem handling. Get a story or picture out there regardless of impact as long as it means no lawsuit.

Oh, now this is REALLY going to piss you off. I have been shot and still have a massive scar and lead in the leg.

So Loomis supposedly overpaid for a player or two or three that he was instructed to sign with most likely not having final say on final amount. So he gets the blame because he made it possible on the books.

Yup. He sucks.

You are *****ing in a vacuum. Every team in the NFL have had countless bad deals. Many have made better personnel moves, although getting Brees was history making. And many have made FAR more horrendous moves (see Cleveland).
The analogy, and the point it represents, still stands. Even if you got shot. That doesn't anger me.

You're still defending him by saying he "most likely had no final say". You can't get on me for what I don't know, and turn around and tell me what you don't know. I find it impossible to believe that he does not have final say on financial terms, when that is his job. And if he doesn't, and he's just there to do Payton's bidding, then what exactly do we know about Loomis? If I am to believe he's not to blame, because it's not up to him, then how do I give him credit when something goes right?

And it's more than just a couple of players. I only mentioned a couple. Loomis was here before the Payton regime, as you know. I don't remember hearing any of this genius talk then. I can still remember him doing a radio show after a blowout loss to the colts, and instructing the host not to take any calls. So he's also a bit of a coward, but I don't want to get too far off track.

I agree that there have been worse teams with worse moves. I didn't compare us to Cleveland.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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