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Danno 03-06-2016 09:43 AM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
Either way, we need a WR badly. This is a bad draft for WR's.

We can't enter the season with our top 3 WR being Cooks, Snead and Coleman.

Cruize 03-06-2016 10:02 AM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
CB Hargreaves
DE Dodd
OG Turner
OLB Jenkins
DT Ridgeway
WR Sharpe.

jeanpierre 03-06-2016 12:25 PM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 694667)
Either way, we need a WR badly. This is a bad draft for WR's.

We can't enter the season with our top 3 WR being Cooks, Snead and Coleman.

And an equally bad class of free agent wide receivers...

WillSaints81 03-06-2016 08:26 PM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 694519)
Brees as a once in a generation type guy deserves the opportunity to go out on top. It's clear that a defense is needed to accomplish that.



There is no guarantee that Treadwell, or any other offensive skill player, can carry an offense without an elite QB.

He certainly would. But does that really justify making a BPA pick, especially with the marked disparity between the offensive and defensive production of this team?

Talented is one thing. Impactful or elite is another. That's why I'm asking are there elite defensive players in this draft that should be the focus of discussion?

And yet thread after thread has pictures of #1 from Ole Miss with the caption "We need to get this guy."

Really? Do we?

SFIAH


What if Cooks gets hurt? Then what?

hagan714 03-07-2016 04:53 AM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
WR draft is not as stellar as the past few but there are some solid prospects to be had on each day.

short list

Laquon Treadwell Ole Miss WR
Josh Doctson, WR TCU
Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh
Micheal Thomas WR Ohio state
Trevor Davis, WR California
Tajae Sharpe, WR, UMass
Cody Core WR Mississippi
Mike Thomas, WR, S. Miss
Mekale McKay WR Cicinatti

Dual threats RB/WR types

Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio state
C.J. Prosise RB/WR Notre Dame
D.J. Foster RB/WR Arizona State

Now this is a very thin year for TE with blocking skills just case we face JJ Watt

Nick Vannett TE Ohio State

So early or late or even FA there is a way to help Drew out

clintonrebel 03-07-2016 08:12 AM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
There will be unpolished gems available in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds or later. A guy like Cody Core at Ole Miss does not get a lot of attention because he was surrounded by people like Treadwell and Engram, but he will emerge as a solid NFL WR.

SaintFanInATLHELL 03-07-2016 09:36 AM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by WillSaints81 (Post 694723)
What if Cooks gets hurt? Then what?

Next receiver up. Ask the same question: "What if Brees gets hurt?"

Are we going to spend 1st round pick on a QB because of that possibility?

I also want to spend a minute countering the argument that we cannot go into the season with Cooks, Snead, and Cooks as our top three receivers. Last year Cooks and Snead combined for nearly 2000 yards and 9 TDs. These are respectable numbers. Coleman contributed nearly another 500 yards and another 2 TDs.

I admit the open question is whether or not Coleman can pick up the slack left by Colston last year (45 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD).. But if those numbers are distributed between the receivers and the TE position (Watson's career 69 catches, 984 yards, and 3 TDs) Then there's no reason to think that the Saints traditional passing game isn't going to be productive.

Finally let us not forget that the most prolific and productive receivers the Saints has ever had was a 7th round pick 10 years ago. Also the Saints spent a #1 pick at WR just two years ago.

The only offensive position the Saints should consider spending a high draft pick on is guard. And even the highest rated guards in this draft have mid-2nd to 3rd round grades.

SFIAH

K Major 03-07-2016 09:55 AM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
Dominate the line of scrimmage, dominate the game.

I'm sure you will be able to get very good "value" wide receivers and RB's in the second and third rounds of the draft.

Billings, A Robinson or Butler will be the Saints pick @ #12 :p.

Book it.

Boutte 03-07-2016 06:35 PM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
We were 8th in scoring. If we were 3rd or 4th we'd have won the division. We've sucked at defense since the last century but we were a great team for about five years because we had the best offense in the league.

I'm not saying to totally give up on the D but not at the expense of the offense. That's just who Sean Payton is. Give him some toys and then sit back and enjoy the show. All this defense needs is to be not awful. A competent DC would give us that.

halloween 65 03-07-2016 06:56 PM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 694738)
WR draft is not as stellar as the past few but there are some solid prospects to be had on each day.

short list

Laquon Treadwell Ole Miss WR
Josh Doctson, WR TCU
Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh
Micheal Thomas WR Ohio state
Trevor Davis, WR California
Tajae Sharpe, WR, UMass
Cody Core WR Mississippi
Mike Thomas, WR, S. Miss
Mekale McKay WR Cicinatti

Dual threats RB/WR types

Ezekiel Elliott RB Ohio state
C.J. Prosise RB/WR Notre Dame
D.J. Foster RB/WR Arizona State

Now this is a very thin year for TE with blocking skills just case we face JJ Watt

Nick Vannett TE Ohio State

So early or late or even FA there is a way to help Drew out

I hope we do draft a TE. I also wouldn't mind seeing Sharpe in a Saints uniform. Sharpe has an unlimited ceiling and should be a day 1 starter.

Danno 03-07-2016 07:10 PM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
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Originally Posted by Boutte (Post 694804)
We were 8th in scoring. If we were 3rd or 4th we'd have won the division. We've sucked at defense since the last century but we were a great team for about five years because we had the best offense in the league.

I'm not saying to totally give up on the D but not at the expense of the offense. That's just who Sean Payton is. Give him some toys and then sit back and enjoy the show. All this defense needs is to be not awful. A competent DC would give us that.

Exactly. We need some more talent, but the cupboard is not bare.

We will rue the day that we ignored offense this year.

WillSaints81 03-07-2016 07:39 PM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 694762)
Next receiver up. Ask the same question: "What if Brees gets hurt?"

Are we going to spend 1st round pick on a QB because of that possibility?

I also want to spend a minute countering the argument that we cannot go into the season with Cooks, Snead, and Cooks as our top three receivers. Last year Cooks and Snead combined for nearly 2000 yards and 9 TDs. These are respectable numbers. Coleman contributed nearly another 500 yards and another 2 TDs.

I admit the open question is whether or not Coleman can pick up the slack left by Colston last year (45 catches, 520 yards, 4 TD).. But if those numbers are distributed between the receivers and the TE position (Watson's career 69 catches, 984 yards, and 3 TDs) Then there's no reason to think that the Saints traditional passing game isn't going to be productive.

Finally let us not forget that the most prolific and productive receivers the Saints has ever had was a 7th round pick 10 years ago. Also the Saints spent a #1 pick at WR just two years ago.

The only offensive position the Saints should consider spending a high draft pick on is guard. And even the highest rated guards in this draft have mid-2nd to 3rd round grades.

SFIAH


You can't guarantee the offense can be as good if Cooks gets hurt. Because we sucked when Cooks went down in 14. I mean our oline was a problem all year long but that was the point where we really began to have even more problems. And this has not much to do with Colston, really. He wasn't getting enough snaps and targets to make an impact. But as someone said we don't improve defense at the expense of why Sean is here. Close games are not won by the same team every week and there is no defense for a perfect catch. We are not gonna stop Aaron Rodgers from making those last minute TD passes more than Arizona and Detroit did, who allowed one each last year. I don't want close games because of things like that. The thing is keep working on repairing the offense and plug some defensive holes each year.

And honestly scoring a lot of points last year in those games did not look easy, it had to be an effort because two of the games came off adjustments and not being able to score at will against the titans than the jets last year is a serious problem. Guards will help but by how much.

Either way we know SP is looking into the receiving anyway given the source report about M Thomas.

WillSaints81 03-07-2016 07:43 PM

Re: What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 694763)
Dominate the line of scrimmage, dominate the game.

I'm sure you will be able to get very good "value" wide receivers and RB's in the second and third rounds of the draft.

Billings, A Robinson or Butler will be the Saints pick @ #12 :p.

Book it.

NO to Billings. I just think he'll need developing. And if it was the defense he was on well that plays a role on experience. He hasn't played for a strong defense and we were the NFL's version of Baylor's defense. I saw so many plays he whiffed on on Draft Breakdown.

QBREES9 03-07-2016 11:23 PM

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What ever is said here never really happens.


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