What exactly is the logic behind drafting Treadwell?
 

I don't complain much here, but today I just feel the need.

I keep seeing posts about drafting Treadwell at 12. It feels like fantasy football thinking on at least a couple of levels. The first is simply the fact that there is no way the guy is going to be available in that slot.

But the second simply is that even if Treadwell were the next Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, or Calvin Johnson and he were available at 12, would that pick actually make any sense?

The Saints once again are at the top of every offensive statistical category including #1 in passing, #2 in total offense, and #8 in scoring. And once again the defense is at or near the bottom of absolutely everything. So unless Treadwell is going to rush the passer, cover tight ends, or going to be a pick magnet at safety, then what exactly is the sense in such a pick?

I understand the logic of "once in a generation" picks. But honestly, that position has been filled for the Saints by Drew Brees for the past 10 years. A perfect example of how Brees makes offensive skill players into superstars can be seen in the tight end position. Graham here: all world. Graham elsewhere: meh. Watson remaining: career year.

So I just want to understand why is not the discussion focused on identifying the once in a generation draft pick on the defensive side of the ball instead of pining for a player that both is unavailable and in the grand scheme is unneeded in the Saints current makeup? JJ Watt was drafted 11th. Luck Kuechly 9th. Von Miller pretty much won the SuperBowl by himself.

So who are the draftable players that can redefine a defense this year? And why are we not talking about them instead of Treadwell?

OK. Enough whining. Please discuss...

SFIAH

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You draft for the future, not the present.
Brees has 2 or 3 years left.
Without Brees we'll need a lot more weapons than we currently have.
He could be a much higher rated prospect than any of the defenders left at 12.
This draft is deep with D-linemen. We can still draft some talented defenders from the 2nd round on.

Oh, and numerous folks are talking defense. DE's DT's OLB's, CB's. Its not like defense isn't being discussed.

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Oh, and we still have promising young players coming up the ranks in Kikaha, Anthony, Tull, Williams, Davison, Richardson, Jenkins, Sunseri etc.

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I disagree; We are in win now mode with Drew only having a couple of seasons left. Build a defense so we can win now and will still take a lot of the pressure off a new QB in the future...

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There are other ways to build a defense. It doesn't strictly depend on a 1st round pick.

If all the top guys are gone and LT slips, I can see drafting him.

And for the record I desperately want one of the top defenders as well, I'm just stating why it wouldn't be dumb to pick LT at 12.

There are probably 7 or 8 defenders I'd rather have than Treadwell.

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Brees as a once in a generation type guy deserves the opportunity to go out on top. It's clear that a defense is needed to accomplish that.


There is no guarantee that Treadwell, or any other offensive skill player, can carry an offense without an elite QB.
He certainly would. But does that really justify making a BPA pick, especially with the marked disparity between the offensive and defensive production of this team?
Talented is one thing. Impactful or elite is another. That's why I'm asking are there elite defensive players in this draft that should be the focus of discussion?
And yet thread after thread has pictures of #1 from Ole Miss with the caption "We need to get this guy."

Really? Do we?

SFIAH

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You do know this is the NFL right???

IT IS ALWAYS WIN NOW OR LOSE YOUR JOB.

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Premature e....err..... something or the other.

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I'm not really seeing that. I saw a couple, but its not like every other thread has a Treadwell pic.

But I don't think its gonna be an issue. Like you said, he probably won't be there at 12, and even if he is there will probably still be a couple elite defenders left. It would take a near perfect storm for him to be the pick at 12.

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I'm in the draft defense 2 of 3 first rounds and find a WR either in free agency or late in the daft. I'd break the TV if with this Swiss cheese defense the Saints went and drafted a WR in the first round

Danno, I get the drafting for the futrue but who knows about this team in 5 years RIGHT NOW we have Brees and he's getting to that point where the defense needs to start pulling its weight and then some because that game he had against the Giants last season won't be happening on a regular basis anymore

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I too will be in the minority here ...

Saints need to start building a team like Denver & keep grabbing talent in the 1st for defense. I think this year we are in a great position now to pick BPA on DEFENSE for the next few seasons & really turn this young group around with more talent. Our team needs more talent and depth on the defensive side of the ball.

I'd add a WR via FA and if you can find a Kenny Stills type in the 4th or 5th, go for it.

If the likes of big boy Billings, Buckner A Robinson, or Rankins (all considered impact type talent) are still on the board, I could see the Saints selecting one of these guys rather than a WR @ #12.

Side note : I think Josh Doctson will be a better Pro prospect than Treadwell. Don't get me wrong, Tread is a talented player however I don't see the Julio Jones type hype to justify as our first pick next month.

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Again, I'd prefer defense, but I wouldn't cry about Treadwell at 12.

SFIAH simply asked the logic behind making him the pick at 12.

My personal top 10 are all defensive players.

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if Saints go WR in this draft, I want Corey Coleman from Baylor but I doubt he's there in the 2nd round. Just looking but most WRs 6'2" or taller have a FA grade on them. Why?

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I understand the Treadwell love an all. Plus I see the need, especially with colston gone and our two best WR under 6'. I think the saints would be better off with a tall WR that can take the top off a defense freeing up Cook a bit more. I never shied away from a solid possession WR that has just good speed either.

He meets all the requirements it would appear to be in this offense. football IQ appears not to be the issue. But the pick makes me a bit apprehensive for some reason. Defense is such a huge area of need.

He is on a short list for sure but there are others that fill a need and appear to be just as safe of a pick?

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This can't be emphasized enough.

Although, a high 1st rounder should in most cases be able to contribute immediately.

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Oh, and we better address our holes on both sides of the ball with a decent free agent haul.

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I wouldn't complain if we he was there at 12 and we landed him, however I think D line is a massive massive need at this point.

We have neglected interior D line and it shows, we get absolutely man handled by average Offensive Lines in the run game.

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Even if we use all of our draft picks on D,how is that gonna guarantee an improved D? I think we should go FA for defense.

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My dream draft would be 1st 3 picks on front 7, then I really don't care what happens after that. But we could come out of this draft with 2 DL and 2 LBs.

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I'm really rethinking Jenkins. Not disruptive enough for his position. Thats the one spot on the 4 line that needs a spark plug. I would love foe Sunseri to beat out Vaccarro. Thats another spot that has to be addressed SS. And Anthony hasn't looked all that good in coverage, he got his rookie pass he needs to step up this season. Also I'm curious how Allen is going to use Kiki? Or is he going to waste his talent?

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we need line help, both sides

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if you take threadwell we should trade him back in for a later 1st rdr and a 2nd rounder, giving us more for our money. I totally agree with you on a wideout 1st rounder with our offense. coleman was steppen it up as season went on.

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You draft the best player available...

You want to fix holes on the roster?!? the defensive line?!? Fix with free agents who have a proven resume in the NFL...

How many recent year's drafts we see hordes of all these defensive prospects who are the next great thing?!?

And nothing. nada. zilch...

It's a deep, deep draft on the defensive line, and all the rookie defensive linemen will need time to develop...

But many of the defensive linemen are overrated in their rankings because other positions are very weak in depth...

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Now there's no question we are moving the ball up and down the field between the 20's...

But you answered your own question in your cited statistics - we're top 5 in yards, offense, but NOT in scoring...

And certainly not in our win-loss record...

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This is the reality...

Colston is done. Graham is gone. And Brees no longer has a reliable big target for 3rd downs and in the red zone...

Remember Cooks getting smothered in the end zone by Carolina's big cornerbacks?!?

Get used to seeing us fall short like that and lose even more games...

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But our success has been due to offense and Brees having multiple, multiple, options for defenses to account...

Remember that sweet throttling we gave the Steelers in Pittsburgh in 2014?!?

We need a big, physical receiver to complement (and replace) in the offense...

And most importantly, Treadwell as a first round pick, will be able to start and have an impact - immediately...

- and that's why I'm banging the drum for Treadwell...

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WR - we're talking about a position where the player may touch the ball an average of 5-7 times a game. We dont need a "once in a blue moon" WR to be effective becauze of the way Brees spreads the ball around. We need impact players on D and some studs on the OL.

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I am going to be really ticked off if we go WR in either of the first two rounds unless we fill our needs in FA. We have 10.3 million to spend before fixing Moresteads joke of a contract. Then Brees may free up 5-10 more. So there is a chance we could have between 17-22 million. If we sign 2 guards and a few D-line/LB's I would be fine with it.

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I don't like Treadwell b/c he is from that college in Oxford, MS...only Archie, Deuce & William Faulkner are the only decent people to come out of that town, in my opinion.

I see the logic of picking him up at 12. But I'm on the "Fix-the-Front-7" train.

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Free agency is as much a crap shoot as the draft.

I agree with BPA, but we need line help so hopefully the BPA is a dt

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Did Albert Haynseworth have a "Proven NFL Resume" when Washington signed him? He had a combined 14.5 sacks for seasons 2007 & 2008

Jarius Byrd had 22 INT's and 3 Sacks with Buffalo from 2009-20013

Is it the respective teams scouting departments fault they didnt live up to their "Proven Resume's?"

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We've hit on numerous free agents over the years. Greer, Lewis, Sharper, Lofton, Goodwin, Moore, Vilma, Thomas, Watson, Fujita, Shanle, KWilliams, Hargrove, Hightower, Snead, Bush, etc.
it appears we have problems when we sign the splash guys like Byrd and Browner.

I'd like to return to filling holes with the less expensive 2nd tier guys. We had a lot of success doing that

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IF Mickey is making the decisions, yes...

But we do have Jeff Ireland now...

As stated, this is a weak draft at several positions with defensive linemen being the only deep position...

For that reason, we can wait a round to draft a lineman...

And many of these linemen are two seasons away before having any significant impact...

Treadwell will start and have an impact - immediately...

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Many teams didn't want anything to do with Haynesworth because of his well documented temperament...

Haynesworth on the Redskins was like irritating a bad dog, taking it off its leash, and leaving it alone in the yard...

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Hey, now...don't go hating on Mississippi...

And we've got a good run with Ole Miss and we're due for another one...

And I'm with you on fixing the front seven, but we only need a couple of free agents and we're there...

Now, it looks like Jackson is pricing himself out of the market; personally, I'd offer what we're paying Jordan, but Jackson's agent reportedly turned down 12 mil per year...

So, we may have to look at next tier guys; point is, we do not have to throw the entire draft at the defense...

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I want to fix the defense first. But at the same time a WR could help close out games. Of course a great defense wins Championships and we desperately need to fix our shoddy defensive line.

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With our offense, even a mediocre defense will win championships.

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We're undersized on the defensive line...it's that simple...

Sign some massive types (NT Damon Harrison, DE Malik Jackson, DE Cedric Thornton, DE Jarvis Jenkins) and clog that middle, collapse the pocket...

We've got edge rushers already on the roster, we've just got to scheme correctly...

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all Treadwell has to do is not run like a TE. his tape speaks for itself

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Good politicians answer. Takes time and makes a point over an issue not relevant to the question.